Gamexplain Explains the Joy-Con Desyncing Problem

TheSpoiler said:
Obviously not on purpose, but there's no way Nintendo DOESN'T know about this problem with the press caught it in the first day or so.
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There have been no mentions of it from the dozens of hands on events. So I would say there is a very strong possibility that it was not known. I doubt Nintendo was testing signal strength at 10+ft with hands covering the joycons.
 
"Why won't my controls respond!?"

*Maybe you have large hands?*

"That's ridiculous."

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"You're ridiculous."
 
I don't understand why this would happen. Aren't there games in 1 2 Switch where you have to point the controllers at each other? Is it just when something is really close to the censor?
 
Omg i just remembered that the joycon can sense distance to your hands and see shapes.

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How the hell will they sense when they glitch when blocked by hands ?

I mean ffs its a damn function on the controller
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How could they NOT have tested this?
 
If the signal is that flimsy, then that is really a problem in my opinion (since a weak signal also means it will be more prone to other interferences than just your hands right?). I hope a firmware update can fix it, as people are saying is possible here.
 
TheSpoiler said:
Obviously not on purpose, but there's no way Nintendo DOESN'T know about this problem with the press caught it in the first day or so.
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And if they really don't, holy shit, the hardware testing team is either made up of Trump clones with tiny hands or stupidly incompetent to not even try this.
 
bomblord1 said:
There have been no mentions of it from the dozens of hands on events. So I would say there is a very strong possibility that it was not known. I doubt Nintendo was testing signal strength at 10+ft with hands covering the joycons.
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You'd think they'd do distance tests. This is like a very common thing to test?
 
You guys remember when the PS3 came out and the Dualshock 3 had a shit ton of the intermittent bluetooth connection hanging?

Those got fixed with firmware updates.
 
I guess it's possible that they'll be able to boost the bluetooth power, assuming the transmitter is being throttled... at the expense of battery life. But if it is being throttled, it would seem to suggest Nintendo thought it drained the battery too much at full power. If it's not being throttled, it seems very unlikely this can be fixed with firmware.
 
Maybe the signal can be boost by software adjust. Like that issue with the Vita wifi when in power saving setting.
 
It's hard to understand how they made 12 switch without being aware of this, unless of course nobody really cares about input being accurate or not in 12 switch
 
Peltz said:
You'd think they'd do distance tests. This is like a very common thing to test?
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So we are assuming Nintendo is fully aware of a massive glaring flaw with how the Joycons connect to the system making the system unusable at a certain distance and then sent out hundreds of systems to be reviewed which makes a major impact on sales and perceptions knowing this glaring flaw existed?
 
Spukc said:
Omg i just remembered that the joycon can sense distance to your hands and see shapes.

Screenshot_104.jpg


How the hell will they sense when they glitch when blocked by hands ?

I mean ffs its a damn function on the controller
Advertised by nintendo
How could they NOT have tested this?
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The recognition of shapes is obviously when the hand is at some distance, rather than holding your hands around the thing. I don't think this problem intervenes with that functionality.

But still, this seems like something unacceptable to pass testing (given people were able to pinpoint this problem in like a single day).
 
bomblord1 said:
There have been no mentions of it from the dozens of hands on events. So I would say there is a very strong possibility that it was not known. I doubt Nintendo was testing signal strength at 10+ft with hands covering the joycons.
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Maybe it's a prolonged thing? I'm not sure why it hasn't popped up yet. The press kits are probably the same consoles I'd imagine. And if Nintendo wasn't testing as many common factors as possible, that's pretty fucking concerning.

Knowing Nintendo, they'll ship out replacements and such, but I'd like to see them comment on this soon.
 
Spukc said:
Omg i just remembered that the joycon can sense distance to your hands and see shapes.

Screenshot_104.jpg


How the hell will they sense when they glitch when blocked by hands ?

I mean ffs its a damn function on the controller
Advertised by nintendo
How could they NOT have tested this?
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Because that is completely different, and uses infrared, and actually relies on the body/shape reflecting the infrared back and blocking it in a sense.

Absorption of bluetooth radio frequency by the body is basic science.
Holding your hand that far in front of it isn't going to block the radio waves as they have space to pass around your hand in different directions and reflect off of the environment.

Enclosing the controller in your hand and blocking the directions the bluetooth radio waves are transmitted in at close proximity will absorbs lots of signal strength, similar to putting something in a tinfoil lined box (not exactly).
 
So let me just work this out in Canadian dollars, taxes included. $450 for the system itself. $100 for a Pro Controller (Because my hands arent baby sized). $71 for Zelda at Amazon with Prime. For a grand total of $621 hmmmmm...im gonna have to say FUCK NO
 
this is why I never buy consoles at launch anymore.

thank god Zelda is coming out on Wii u the same day.
 
GJS said:
Because that is completely different, and uses infrared, and actually relies on the body/shape reflecting the infrared back and blocking it in a sense.

Absorption of bluetooth radio frequency by the body is basic science.
Holding your hand that far in front of it isn't going to block the radio waves as they have space to pass around your hand in different directions and reflect off of the environment.

Enclosing the controller in your hand and blocking the directions the bluetooth radio waves are transmitted in at close proximity will absorbs lots of signal strength, like putting something in a tinfoil lined box.
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He moves it closer in the video so yes it would matter.
And what about the guy relaxing on the couch ? Is that also a lie ?
 
MarkusRJR said:
OP needs to add in the Bounty video and the video of Zelda where the issue happened (in the other thread).

As someone who has a fully paid off pre-order, if these issues aren't fixed over updates I'm going to be so annoyed. I wanna play ARMS but that game literally has you grasping the entire controller. Don't even wanna imagine how awful it'd be to have signal Issues in the middle of a fight.
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Again, unless you plan on standing 8-10+ feet from your TV/Switch when playing it shouldn't be an issue. This is an issue due to at least two factors: distance from the Switch and occlusion by your body. As shown in the video the Joycons were working fine at around ~10 feet as long they weren't obstructed and he notes there wasn't any issue in his other room when he was closer to the system when playing.

Spukc said:
Omg i just remembered that the joycon can sense distance to your hands and see shapes.

Screenshot_104.jpg


How the hell will they sense when they glitch when blocked by hands ?

I mean ffs its a damn function on the controller
Advertised by nintendo
How could they NOT have tested this?
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Again this is a problem present when at a relative distance from the Switch, not simply at any range. If you're not standing far from your Switch covering the Joycon with your hand isn't going to kill the signal.

Peltz said:
You'd think they'd do distance tests. This is like a very common thing to test?
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A whole slew of issues could be at play here, like faulty firmware update to the Joy-Cons which overly or mistakenly weakened the signal strength of the device. Or maybe they conducted surveys to see the average distance people play or sit from their TVs and found that most sit well within 10 feet and adjusted the Joy-Cons for that distance to optimize their battery life. Hopefully it's simply something they can fix with an update increasing the signal strength of the controllers. Or better yet allowing us in the systems menu to adjust the signal strength in order to maximize battery life for our particular needs.
 
I note that the part he covers with his hand to cause the issue is the part the wrist strap is supposed to cover.

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Could it be that the strap isn't just needed for safety, but also to keep hands away from the wireless signal?

In other words, will the problem be lessened if we play with the strap attached?
 
What? Really? How does something like this not get noticed? Am I wrong, but from what I have seen people have an issue with this when the joycons are in the grip and not when it's on the console itself right?
 
it probably won't be an issue for me since the dock will be connect to my monitor so I'll definitely be relatively close to the device it self if I decide to you split or grip for the joycons. Of course this is just a compromise and not an actually solution, so I hope they fix this right at or before the actually launch.
 
KingHippo1967 said:
I note that the part he covers with his hand to cause the issue is the part the wrist strap is supposed to cover.

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Could it be that the strap isn't just needed for safety, but also to keep hands away from the wireless signal?

In other words, will the problem be lessened if we play with the strap attached?
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No because it happens while in the grip.
 
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