GhostWriter24
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The internet: Where anybody can accuse anyone of anything, as long as it earns hits.
Gawker put up an article accusing Louis CK of sexual misconduct
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Exactly. The initial reaction, specifically, is what's worth comparing. Cosby did not have 40 accusations from day one.
Syph Medwes
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them clicks man
Kiever Sher
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The ''reporter'' right there in the comments ''wanna email me?' How desperate.
Cosby had the benefit of the doubt for a very, very long time, no?
How in the world are the frequency and legitimacy of these allegations equivalent
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Louis isn't getting the benefit of the doubt because he's white; he's getting the benefit of the doubt because the source is a vague muckracking internet article from a known garbage site.
King Tubby
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Yeah, and those accusations (which had about 10x more reason to believe than what we have here) got buried for about a decade until Hannibal Buress dredged them up.
block tower
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Bullshit. If Hannibal Buress didn't call out C.K. after Cosby then I call bs because Buress has known C.K. for a loooong fucking time .
Not particularly, but there was a history with Cosby.
Dictator93
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Pretty serious allegations. I hope they are not true.
Nealand Liquor
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Buuuuullllssshhhhiiiittttt.
I am more inclined to believe his material makes him an easy target for these accusations.
Edit: Jesus, this is a race issue now?
Smh.
I am more inclined to believe his material makes him an easy target for these accusations.
Edit: Jesus, this is a race issue now?
Smh.
TheSpoiler
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For us it is.
For Gawker, it's journalism.
Eventually all comedians will be due to the fact that they mention dicks and sex. "I knew it all along he said boobies."
Not always the best idea. Ignoring something from a dumb blogger site might be better, otherwise you pour fuel over a fire of false allegations and made up stories that can't be verified.
Indeed.
This is like me just saying "Brad Pitt came into my house yesterday wearing a Wonder Woman costume and kicked my dog after beating him in chess" and Gawker picking it up.
I would assume a reasonable person would give him the benefit of a doubt.
John Kowalski
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I hope Louis says something about it.
Bobby Roberts
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Louis CK would be getting the benefit of the doubt for the same reasons Cosby got the benefit of the doubt when accusations first popped up back in the mid 2000s: People really like him, and would rather just pretend the accusations didn't really happen. Like it was a bad joke a friend told that you just ran past as fast as possible, or a fart that leaked out of your butthole when you shifted weight in church. You just don't really acknowledge it, because to acknowledge it means you have to worry about it, and if you worry about it, you can't like the thing you like so much, and so it's easier to just - wait for people to forget about it, so long as enough of us decide to collectively do that.
I'm not speaking about it from outside perspective, here. I know that's what happened with Cosby because I did that with Cosby. I called bullshit when I saw the articles being shared back then, and then just decided I wouldn't click on any more of them, and wait for it to blow over, because it was ludicrous on the face of it, just ridiculous and stupid, and Cosby was just too good, and I enjoyed liking his shit too much, to put my enjoyment of his work in jeopardy by considering the fact he was a fucking predator.
And I was dumber then, and my personal priorities regarding what I pay attention to and why I pay attention to it was a lot more surface and basic. And obviously my ability to make worthwhile value judgments was a little out of whack, too. Granted, I'm not some super-evolved human being a mere decade later, but a decade is a long time, and there's lots of shit you can learn between those two points. And in that space of time, it's pretty easy to look back at what's happening with Louis right now, and draw a bit of a sketchy line (because a couple anonymous comments, an email chain, and a three year old blind-item isn't the same as a victim going on the record to media, using their name) back to what was happening with Cosby back then. Not recent Cosby. Mid 2000s Cosby. The one we weren't trying to hear about.
It's probably long past due that he address this, really. And not in private phone calls or emails. I mean, if he's going to that length, to email & contact fanclub members on a one-on-one basis, he should probably just make a statement.
I'm not speaking about it from outside perspective, here. I know that's what happened with Cosby because I did that with Cosby. I called bullshit when I saw the articles being shared back then, and then just decided I wouldn't click on any more of them, and wait for it to blow over, because it was ludicrous on the face of it, just ridiculous and stupid, and Cosby was just too good, and I enjoyed liking his shit too much, to put my enjoyment of his work in jeopardy by considering the fact he was a fucking predator.
And I was dumber then, and my personal priorities regarding what I pay attention to and why I pay attention to it was a lot more surface and basic. And obviously my ability to make worthwhile value judgments was a little out of whack, too. Granted, I'm not some super-evolved human being a mere decade later, but a decade is a long time, and there's lots of shit you can learn between those two points. And in that space of time, it's pretty easy to look back at what's happening with Louis right now, and draw a bit of a sketchy line (because a couple anonymous comments, an email chain, and a three year old blind-item isn't the same as a victim going on the record to media, using their name) back to what was happening with Cosby back then. Not recent Cosby. Mid 2000s Cosby. The one we weren't trying to hear about.
It's probably long past due that he address this, really. And not in private phone calls or emails. I mean, if he's going to that length, to email & contact fanclub members on a one-on-one basis, he should probably just make a statement.
It reads like a freaking ad.
That history's what I mean - he kept getting the benefit of the doubt over and over again.
It may only be Gawker for now, and hopefully nobody else decides it's worth running based on such little evidence... but when it comes to these celeb accusations it tends to spread pretty rapidly to big sites. I hope it doesn't.
vas_a_morir
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If I were him, I'd wait to see if it blows over. If it doesn't, then consider addressing it. I have a feeling it will blow over because of how poorly sourced the article is.
Well, unless it's true, then you'd hope it would catch on?
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And? That's irrelevant. The post is about initial reactions to the accusations on NeoGAF specifically.
TheLostBigBoss
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Yea, I guessed I jumped the gun on what he was implying and interpreted it wrong.
I don't disagree on people being in a sort of "denial" cause they like something, but there was nothing wrong with being iffy or not immediatly believing the Cosby thing when first reports came out for what they were
same case here. If it becomes obvious and shit blows up like it did there then yeah, but none's the wiser so far. who knows. it's all gawker, some anecdote, and no real reliable source so far
PeskyToaster
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I would hope someone would take the time to verify or press charges or something.
Evil_Silver
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"To seem" doesn't mean a thing.
Cap'n Cook
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I can't even picture him doi....
....Well maybe
....Well maybe
King Tubby
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I'm just wondering what the point is. I think, all things equal, Louis CK would get more of the benefit of the doubt just as a result of NeoGAF likely having substantially more Louis fans than Cosby. But all things are so far from equal that comparing the initial reactions seems misguided to begin with.
block tower
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Again I'll post my response to this story.
Bullshit. If Hannibal Buress didn't call out C.K. after Cosby then I call bs because Buress has known C.K. for a loooong fucking time .
OrangeGrayBlue
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Yeah, feeling the need to address some one-off rumor article would raise suspicion for me, not alleviate it.
If it's true of course, anyone should want it exposed. I'm not judging either way at this point, I just don't feel gawker has a lot to work with here. If it turns out that their running this story sets off a chain reaction and uncovers a bunch of shit that needs uncovering, I'll have to pat them on the back. I'm not holding my breath yet.
Purple Cheeto
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My immediate thoughts as well.
You really think the crass dirty comedian would get more benefit of the doubt than the comedian who is mostly known for portraying a loveable and caring father figure in a very popular sitcom?
TheSpoiler
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The fact that anyone is considering a website where the author is actively looking to fill his holes through the comments section is fucking crazy.
PartlyCloudlike
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Gawker got what they wanted out of this article. Hits.
Gawker is trash.
Gawker is trash.
Messofanego
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oh nooooooo, please be false.
this will make that pam episode in louie last season be seen in a completely new light too.
Yeah, Louie was being a rapey dick towards her in that season. If this comes out as true, it's a career ender.
John Kowalski
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I honestly just want to see him react as honestly as possible. If this was a couple of bad incidents, if he admits to them and admits guilt, maybe then i'd maybe still want to see his work. If he handles it like a PR would, with secrecy and stuff, i don't know, i don't think i'd be comfortable watching his stuff. Then i'd hope this is false or misconstrued. But we'll see, i didn't know who Cosby was before the whole raped everyone thing, so this is really the first time i deal with something like this happening to someone i thought highly of.
The worst thing about this kind of ordeal is that it reminds me that this sort of shit is far too much more common than i'm comfortable with, and it makes me think about other people i know, or places where i'm at where there are people who have in fact done similar things, or even rape... like there's some probability that someone in gaf has raped someone right? Or living close to me, or someone i went to school with... eurgh.
Bobby Roberts
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There's probably a lot of fucked up things a lot of Hannibal Buress' friends do that he doesn't work into his stand-up, yunno? I don't know that saying "Well, Hannibal didn't put so-and-so out on front street when he was reminding us all people accused Cosby about 8 years ago now" is all that compelling an argument. He's a stand-up doing a bit that serves a specific purpose (calling out Cosby's hypocrisy regarding his public persona and what he does privately) aimed at a person wielding a considerable bit of power.
To veer sideways at the end of that bit and go "Oh, and don't get it twisted, Louis C.K. likes to flash girls and flog dolphin in front of 'em, but only after he warns 'em first" doesn't make any sense. It wouldn't fit the bit, and further, he's not a D.A. He's a stand-up.
victreeb3l
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The dick story sounds more like Terry Richardson than Louis CK
Gawker is pretty shit so I'll take anything they say with a grain of salt. That said if these allegations come out true, that'd be sad.
Gawker is pretty shit so I'll take anything they say with a grain of salt. That said if these allegations come out true, that'd be sad.
loaf of bread
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King Tubby
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Yes? Maybe it's confirmation bias at work here but I usually find a squeaky-clean public image to be more suspect of this kind of perversion than someone who puts all their stuff out there. Gives me Pee-Wee Herman vibes.
To be fair in the other direction, it would be much much easier for Hannibal Buress to put out all that stuff about Cosby with all of the evidence floating around against him than for him to do likewise with Louis CK when all that is out there is vague, unsubstantiated rumor. I'd also imagine that Louis CK is a lot more influential in the circles Buress runs with than Cosby is.
Pee wee didn't do shit, that was massively overblown.
And no, people have given Cosby way more benefit of the doubt. It's been decades we've heard these cosby stories and still nothing has come of it.
It is quite interesting.
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