Gay marriage salt thread

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Has this been posted yet?...OMG...WHEN SHE STARTS CRYING...BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!

THE ULTIMATE SALT!!!

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MoxManiac said:
Im not an expert on our governments but doesnt our constitution protect the minorities from the majority?
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Yes.

"Majority rule, minority rights" is the saying.

Not that the stupid fuck knows that. He thinks that as long as it's a majority he doesn't have to give a fuck if the percentage number is low enough.
 
Watching all those videos is kind of painful you know, but I want to take it as a trial by fire, I want to think after watching hundreds of those salt videos I will get more resistant to the same words in real life. It's amusing to see and all, but in all honestly, it hurts a bit. Or a bit more.
 
geardo said:
You're absolutely right, but I don't think it will be as easy for them to usurp this ruling as they have with abortion for example. I expect for them to give up on this one much sooner.
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I agree that this is much more watertight, but I'm not sure about them giving up completely. Their base (as we can see) is fanatical about this issue, so they may well have to at least keep paying lip service.
 
I love how mainstream society is just now getting it's first taste of how fucking insane Bryan Fischer and his ilk are, while gay people have known for YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEARS.

He's fucking insane.
 
Chie Satonaka said:
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So, a shopped picture of Obama kissing a man going around does what for their cause, exactly?

Like, does making fun of the President just make them feel better, or what? I legitimately don't understand this. I can get people refusing the licenses or trying to fight it, but...
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Don't put much thought into it. The main goal is to troll liberals.
 
I have to ask has any actually had any success talking to anyone about these issues?

I was talking to my mother recently and she is of course against gay marriage because of her beliefs.

She firmly believes it's a choice and despite me telling her otherwise she won't change her mind. She even went as far as to say that she doesn't believe anyone who says it's not a choice despite what information is put in front of her because she knows it's a choice.

I mean I tried everything to get her to see it otherwise but it's just difficult. It always ends with the expression, "I love them all, I don't judge, etc etc, but I don't agree with their choice." It's difficult for her to understand that, to me at least, that position is still judgmental and hurtful.

Has anyone ever had success with this? Anything I can have her read/watch or some great quote I can say to help?
 
Zunja said:
I have to ask has any actually had any success talking to anyone about these issues?

I was talking to my mother recently and she is of course against gay marriage because of her beliefs.

She firmly believes it's a choice and despite me telling her otherwise she won't change her mind. She even went as far as to say that she doesn't believe anyone who says it's not a choice despite what information is put in front of her because she knows it's a choice.

I mean I tried everything to get her to see it otherwise but it's just difficult. It always ends with the expression, "I love them all, I don't judge, etc etc, but I don't agree with their choice." It's difficult for her to understand that, to me at least, that position is still judgmental and hurtful.

Has anyone ever had success with this? Anything I can have her read/watch or some great quote I can say to help?
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My Mother is too, but it's not an argument or something you can show that will change people's minds on things they have grown up with.

The best thing you can do is to not get riled up. However you like to make your arguments, you must be the calmest person in the room with your opinion and respect the other view.

Are you gay yourself? Or are you just bringing it up because it's hot topic?

If the former, then consider what YOUR barriers are. If you plan to be married or happy with your partner, then think whether or not that despite her views she can be the mother you want her to be. And approach that if not.

Since you are not convinced by your own authority figure... Then her reasons for why it is wrong are probably not something you can pick apart by logic. So don't even bother.

This isn't a case of "proving" that it is a choice or not. We all know why that wouldn't make sense. I mean, who the hell would "choose" to be discriminated against? They just say whatever they can say to support their predisposed position.
 
Zunja said:
I have to ask has any actually had any success talking to anyone about these issues?

I was talking to my mother recently and she is of course against gay marriage because of her beliefs.

She firmly believes it's a choice and despite me telling her otherwise she won't change her mind. She even went as far as to say that she doesn't believe anyone who says it's not a choice despite what information is put in front of her because she knows it's a choice.

I mean I tried everything to get her to see it otherwise but it's just difficult. It always ends with the expression, "I love them all, I don't judge, etc etc, but I don't agree with their choice." It's difficult for her to understand that, to me at least, that position is still judgmental and hurtful.

Has anyone ever had success with this? Anything I can have her read/watch or some great quote I can say to help?
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By beliefs I assume you mean Christianity. The route to go is to simply point out all the shit she is okay with that the bible forbids. And as soon as she goes "that's all Old Testament" point out that the anti gay stuff is Old Testament as well.

Then just say that it doesn't matter if it's a choice because no one is getting hurt by consensual gay marriages.
 
izunadono said:
My Mother is too, but it's not an argument or something you can show that will change people's minds on things they have grown up with.

The best thing you can do is to not get riled up. However you like to make your arguments, you must be the calmest person in the room with your opinion and respect the other view.

Are you gay yourself? Or are you just bringing it up because it's hot topic?

If the former, then consider what YOUR barriers are. If you plan to be married or happy with your partner, then think whether or not that despite her views she can be the mother you want her to be. And approach that if not.
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No I'm not. She called me early today and told me about a preacher she had heard who was saying some rather hateful things. I told her the problems with what he was saying and the argument happened. I do feel I remained calm but it is hurtful to hear her listen to people who are so judgmental. I just wish there was something I could do/show her so she would know how damaging those views can be.
 
Zunja said:
No I'm not. She called me early today and told me about a preacher she had heard who was saying some rather hateful things. I told her the problems with what he was saying and the argument happened. I do feel I remained calm but it is hurtful to hear her listen to people who are so judgmental. I just wish there was something I could do/show her so she would know how damaging those views can be.
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I'm sure she has seen it. Persecution of gays is everywhere or at least must have been while she was growing up.

This preacher, whatever the argument was, cannot be from a place of logic. That it is dangerous to morality, but not our wellbeing as people. That it is dangerous to society etc.

Regardless, if she called up to relay those views to you, implying that she agreed with them, that's on her.

It isn't hard for anyone to explain. What made me think about it was one argument whereby I imagined a girl viewing men and women the way I do, and would imagine how it would feel if I was told I needed switch them because "God said so".

The moment I considered that I felt ill I was ever homophobic tbh.

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If it's such a choice, could she ever do it? Or is the only reason why she wouldn't be gay is because of the fear of God?

Jimmy Kimmel's vid of kids explaining gay marriage is sweet tho.
 
Jasper said:
Has this been posted yet?...OMG...WHEN SHE STARTS CRYING...BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!

THE ULTIMATE SALT!!!

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https://www.facebook.com/becky.wegn...000504850302/1135898063103678/?type=2&theater
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I actually find this more disturbing and sad than funny.

I don't think she got into this intending to be a bigot. She wants to do what's right for the world. But when you have been raised with a irrational hand-me-down myth, your ideas about what is right and wrong become so skewed.

Religion can be such a destructive force. Even it's positive moral messages are like a stopped clock being right twice a day. You can guide your moral compass far more accurately without an old hand-me-down ideology muddying your understanding of the world.
 
Someone on FB just posted this

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oh gawd this is a real human being's thoughts

I swear, rural Kentucky is the fucking twilight zone
 
Zunja said:
She firmly believes it's a choice and despite me telling her otherwise she won't change her mind. She even went as far as to say that she doesn't believe anyone who says it's not a choice despite what information is put in front of her because she knows it's a choice.
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I certainly don't have any magic recipe to change another person's mind, but the most effective argument I've heard is a direct personal question: "If it's a choice, then can you choose who you're attracted to?".

The first time I heard that, it resonated with me.

My big brother is gay. When we were teenagers, he had Playboys, and I never considered the possibility he way gay. I found out when I was in my early 20's. I only found out because I wanted to move in with him, and he decided to tell me, because otherwise he'd have to say "no". So, no big deal, I didn't care and I moved in. And so did his boyfriend, which was the reason he needed to tell me and find out my reaction.

But I assumed it was indeed a choice - that he had been straight as a teenager and decided to be gay later, rather than discovering it or admitting it. It wasn't really a clear thought, because I didn't actively wonder about it. But later on, I heard other (straight) people debating that, and I asked him. He told me it's not a choice, and that simple question - whether I could decide to be attracted to men instead of women - certainly clarified the question in my mind. No, I couldn't. So why should I think that he could?
 
Fracas said:
Someone on FB just posted this

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oh gawd this is a real human being's thoughts

I swear, rural Kentucky is the fucking twilight zone
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So stupid, they really believe they're being oppressed, so cute, nobody is stopping them from living the way they want and just us gay people gaining some equal rights is enough to make them lose their shit.
 
Reeks said:
Especially given that plenty of heteronormative couples can't either. Infertility is not uncommon, not to mention vasectomies, tied tubes and older couples who also can't procreate. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.
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Had some dude on Facebook several years ago claim that infertility was a liberal lie, and that true infertility doesn't exist as seen in the Bible when Abraham impregnates Sarah.
 
Jasper said:
Has this been posted yet?...OMG...WHEN SHE STARTS CRYING...BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!

THE ULTIMATE SALT!!!

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https://www.facebook.com/becky.wegn...000504850302/1135898063103678/?type=2&theater
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People like her are alienating more and more people. The mainstreams opinions on certain subjects are headed one direction and the church is being left behind. Even if a minority feel this strongly about the topic it is the worst PR you can have. You can't win most over when you have people crying and yelling, saying how others are sinful and wrong. These Christians are alienating newcomers, and more liberal Christians. If Christianity wants to survive it needs to open its doors, and followers need to open their hearts. I have not seen anything in my lifetime that has sparked this level of positive and negative enthusiasm from Christians. If they could take even half of that emotion, half of that effort, half of that money used to alienate and fight against equality and instead help others. Just take even half of it to demand equal rights for all, help others less fortunate than them, and to live a life mirroring that of Christ, and I promise that they would see a positive change. That is how you start filling those church seats again. Not making a video on youtube, crying because people now have a right that you don't want them to have.
 
Leondexter said:
I certainly don't have any magic recipe to change another person's mind, but the most effective argument I've heard is a direct personal question: "If it's a choice, then can you choose who you're attracted to?".

The first time I heard that, it resonated with me.

My big brother is gay. When we were teenagers, he had Playboys, and I never considered the possibility he way gay. I found out when I was in my early 20's. I only found out because I wanted to move in with him, and he decided to tell me, because otherwise he'd have to say "no". So, no big deal, I didn't care and I moved in. And so did his boyfriend, which was the reason he needed to tell me and find out my reaction.

But I assumed it was indeed a choice - that he had been straight as a teenager and decided to be gay later, rather than discovering it or admitting it. It wasn't really a clear thought, because I didn't actively wonder about it. But later on, I heard other (straight) people debating that, and I asked him. He told me it's not a choice, and that simple question - whether I could decide to be attracted to men instead of women - certainly clarified the question in my mind. No, I couldn't. So why should I think that he could?
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There seems to be evidence suggesting that sexuality is often far more fluid in females than in males. So this might backfire in his case, because his mother may quite possibly be able to alter her attraction a lot.
 
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