The hardware should be fine, but wouldn't surprise me if the integration in the demos came a little later than other things.
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GDC Expo: hands on impressions/media of Project Morpheus (Sony VR)
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The hardware should be fine, but wouldn't surprise me if the integration in the demos came a little later than other things.
Consider how close the lenses are to your face that are relaying the 5 inch panel. 8k/16k is believed to be close to eliminating this
Maninthemirror
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https://twitter.com/devinconnors/status/446354310117343232
Just finished up with the Oculus Dev Kit 2, next up is Sony's Project Morpheus. #GDC2014
Just finished up with the Oculus Dev Kit 2, next up is Sony's Project Morpheus. #GDC2014
Damn, AA and low persistence are seriously important based off that example.
http://i.imgur.com/XseCwLs.jpgeoliths:
1.
observe the titties
see how big they are
2.
touch the titties
it is like you are there
3.
put your face in the titties
enjoy them
4.
regulate breathing
preserve energy
Nightengale
Member
Aren't there contexual challenges too?
Now the Move has the take into account the Morpheus to calibrate how the 'hand' should be positioned relative to the head.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
I understand having to keep the prices down to reach the masses. However, considering the current power of consoles compared to PCs, if it means all we'll get is PS3 graphics in VR, I will honestly skip Morpheus and just buy a new graphics card for my PC as well as an Oculus Rift. I'd still have to try it out first though. Hopefully Sony will have demos in stores by the time this is about to be released.
It's not a perfect simulation, of course, it's a bit of fun, but yeah, basically.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4czv_Q_45M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtvPlP-e8x0
I dont think I could cope
AllIsOneIsNone
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ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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So games built for this thing will have the graphical quailty of 60fps PS3 games?
I can guarantee, COD, Killzone, Drive Club, Uncharted, Batman, and all the big AAA games won't support it due to those games graphics. I can only see Indie games, ports, and niche games like the PS Eye and Move games support this. If that's the case I will not purchase it.
Yeah. But there might also be calibration issues at times too... If we see differing views on hand/move tracking quality, that might be one explanation.
FullMetaltech
Member
I think Japan will enjoy your VR game.
efyu_lemonardo
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IR isn't a single frequency, you can have multiple "colors" outside the range of human vision. But manufacturing a good enough camera with good separation between such a wide range of frequencies (in both the visible and non visible part of the spectrum) may not be cheap enough.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
I expect sitting in a room with people wearing a full-face visor and playing videogames, will be just as annoying without the lights.
Oh boy.
Bornstellar
Member
Yeowch. Guess it was too much to hope for more.
It's like hanging out with somebody with headphones on... what's the point?
EventHorizon
Member
Yes there will be items flying at you from all directions but you'll have to interact with those object by blocking or shooting them down. QTE seem like a no go for VR. VR is all about the player being in control in the environment. QTEs break that illusion. What you are thinking about is the stuff for 3D movies, which is not the same as VR.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I just don't want to hear fanboy like comments taking sides. To me, this needs as much support universally as possible so both Oculus and Morpheus can be a success.
TheRealTalker
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the first batch of Move games required you to calibrate often
but later titles made this less frequent... some even never asked or only asked once while playing
Every game I've ever played with it had this problem, especially light gun type games. There was severe drift. I even did that whole thing where you turn off whatever the option was in settings. I think it has more to do with room lighting or angle , which is what makes me nervous, especially for my setup. Hell I don't even know if it's possible to use under my current conditions.
I think that's a bit conservative.
JetBlackPanda
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while using move controllers and stuff is cool for immersion. I really just want to use the head tracking and play with a standard controller.
is that weird?
is that weird?
TheRealTalker
Banned
I see lighting is a issue I am also a bit worried about
maybe the new camera will fix this seeing as the old camera was dreaful
The one Oculus demo I played had really simple, blocky graphics with minimal AA, pixelated all to hell. And it was still awesome.
I think people are making too much of the graphics. In fact, one of the amazing things is how VR takes the simplest visuals and makes them extraordinary by making you feel like you live in that world. It really is a game changer in that graphics quality takes a backseat to fluidity.
I think people are making too much of the graphics. In fact, one of the amazing things is how VR takes the simplest visuals and makes them extraordinary by making you feel like you live in that world. It really is a game changer in that graphics quality takes a backseat to fluidity.
This is right now the main reason I favor the rift. This might sound stupid, but I was looking forward to something like a virtual observatory where you could lay down and take it all in, different positions, etc. Seems like you'll have to be in a pretty good angle of the camera. Makes sense now though why there's a lightbar on the controller for full tracking.
Certainly there will be elements that will still well exceed what the PS3 could manage.
If sony released this thing tomorrow id say Carmack is being honest and we would get ps3 graphics, but its not and we all know that console graphics dont stay the same through the life cycle and ps4 is no different. Guess what I am trying to say is maybe the first wave of games wont be stunners but just like regular ps4 games, the graphics will improve.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
You don't need hyper real graphics to really be immersed so as Cyberheater said in a separate thread, if we get PS3 quality graphics with good AA/60fps/native resolution to this thing then we should be all in for a damn mind blowing treat.
Leave higher spec and less limitation VR to Rift on high end PC's.
I agree with you, btw.
I think we're going to have a heart attack if we keep trying to explain the difference.
We who own (or have at least tried) OR1 and have a general good understanding of the tech should just wait for the hardware to be out. Only practical demonstrations will do.
Miles Quaritch
Member
It would probably would induce a seizure, but in all honestly, I'd take the risk as I would love to try it out...
Carmack said the latest version of rift also requires a camera.
efyu_lemonardo
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Ever play Endless Ocean 1 or 2 on Wii?
I know it wasn't your IP, Sony, but seriously... It's now or never.
That game was practically made for VR, with how it handles first person movement in a 3d space. They really did an excellent job recreating the scuba diving experience.
TheRealTalker
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clip of the dragon VR demo
http://instagram.com/p/lvAmnRCd3o/
http://instagram.com/p/lvAmnRCd3o/
double the pixels and double the frames is already like 4 times more power, now add 50% because of 3D so 6 times more power. Now add good AA because you need it and then you are already at 7-8times the power you needed before
But i still think ps4 can do more, way better lightning and textures or bigger Worlds for example.
Well he's not going to actively lie, all the Oculus people have been really up about the potential of PS4's VR unit.
I think he's barking up the wrong tree with expectations though. I don't think people will be targeting the performance profile he's suggesting in that comparison. Also, he bizarre doesn't state the hypothetical resolution of those 60fps games.
Journey is 30fps, but in VR it would still be 1080p60fps on PS4 without question.
Twenty7KVN
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I want to see wipeout and gt with this.
Maninthemirror
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No, he just thinks people should be realistic about what to expect. As an example he says a ps3 game (i'm assuming the average one is 720p) would probably run on ps4 vr at 1080p (stereo) with low msaa at 60fps. It's a reasonable estimate. The worry is that people believe they will have a killzone sf style fidelity, which is just not possible with the extra work vr needs. BUT that is not the be all and end all of vr. The experience is still great.
And if you or anyone else think he's just trying to be a dick, have a look at him knock down his own product https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/446289511601811457
Also someone posted this http://vr.mkeblx.net/oculus-sim/ as an explanation for the screen door stuff and low persistence to help people understand a bit more. PS4 vr doesn't have low persistence yet but I assume will do. Only problem with low persistence is that it needs 90hz minimum to be good, and Oculus even say DK2 is not up to scratch yet
SEGAvangelist
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That dude looked like he was having a blast. Good to see this!