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[theultimo]

€29.95 for a fucking stream.

Blizzard is beyond awesome, but they got damn petty.

29.95 euros for a PVR and wow pet and sc2 faces.

 

[Tenks]

How could you even think of saying that while there are 12 million people (and counting) playing that game? It might not be up to your standards graphically (though it looks better than most MMO's) but it's still the most complete and polished MMO experience on the market. Period.

Because WoW Vanilla was an MMORPG experience. WoW in it's current iteration is a game that optionally you can play with other people. Once they removed 40 person actual guild raids and replaced them with the dumbed down raid formula and their "purple for all!" mentality it stopped being a real MMO in my book.

 

[HarryDemeanor]

Is that Deathling figure available on the Blizzcon store?

Nope it's a special item in the goodie bag for BlizzCon attendees.

 

[Deadly]

*Random insane prediction*

The Boxer Vs. Fruitdealer SC2 Exhibition match will feature Heart of the Swarm units.

Really hope not, they wouldn't be playing at their usual level.

 

[John_B]

29.95 euros for a PVR and wow pet and sc2 faces.

There was a time when fan service didn't cost the same as a video game and unlockables weren't 99 cent a pop. Worst thing about this generation is the damn pettyness of the industry wanting to micro kill you credit card.

And WoW pretty much secured Blizzard for a couple of generations. They don't need to act like cheapskates.

 

[FLEABttn]

Because WoW Vanilla was an MMORPG experience. WoW in it's current iteration is a game that optionally you can play with other people. Once they removed 40 person actual guild raids and replaced them with the dumbed down raid formula and their "purple for all!" mentality it stopped being a real MMO in my book.

So, when raids became under 40 people, it stopped being an MMO? I'm just curious what the exact raid threshold is when we cross the line from MMO-dom to a mere online game.

And what about game where there is no raiding? I guess EvE isn't an MMO?

 

[Tenks]

There was a time when fan service didn't cost the same as a video game and unlockables weren't 99 cent a pop. Worst thing about this generation is the damn pettyness of the industry wanting to micro kill you credit card.

And WoW pretty much secured Blizzard for a couple of generations. They don't need to act like cheapskates.

They've said even with the stream income they put on BlizzCon at a net loss

 

[Lothars]

There was a time when fan service didn't cost the same as a video game and unlockables weren't 99 cent a pop. Worst thing about this generation is the damn pettyness of the industry wanting to micro kill you credit card.

And WoW pretty much secured Blizzard for a couple of generations. They don't need to act like cheapskates.

It's not like they are making money with the stream though, they have said they are lossing money on the stream.

I understand about not liking how some companies are doing things but I don't see why you are using this as an example when it's not a good example of a company overcharging it's users.

 

[Bisnic]

Because WoW Vanilla was an MMORPG experience. WoW in it's current iteration is a game that optionally you can play with other people. Once they removed 40 person actual guild raids and replaced them with the dumbed down raid formula and their "purple for all!" mentality it stopped being a real MMO in my book.

You still mostly play the game with 4, 9, 24 or 39(if you include some battlegrounds, or when people go after faction leaders for achievements) people to get the best loot in the game. And you still meet tons of people around the world and mostly inside the big cities like Orgrimmar, Dalaran or Stormwind.

Sound very MMO to me. Just because you dont raid with 39 other people and that epics doesnt ask you to ruin your life anymore to get them, shouldnt make this game less MMO to anyone.

 

[ToyMachine228]

BlizzCon totally crept up on me. Hope to see some cool stuff come from it.

 

[Phenomic]

They've said even with the stream income they put on BlizzCon at a net loss

Even if that's the case the hype and exposure for them is worth it's weight in gold.

Fairly sure we will get to see the final roster for Diablo 3 (finally) 2011 Ship date would be phenomenal. Hope my mind is blown like always.

 

[CoLaN]

They've said even with the stream income they put on BlizzCon at a net loss

considering it is basically an huge advertising event, showcasing their products while gaining massive exposure... It would be fun if they actually complained about it being a net loss.

 

[Tenks]

considering it is basically an huge advertising event, showcasing their products while gaining massive exposure... It would be fun if they actually complained about it being a net loss.

But anyone who would take the time to tune into the stream already has their wallet open to buy anything and everything Blizzard

 

[Corran Horn]

Blizzcon here I go in a few hours

 

[Tenks]

You still mostly play the game with 4, 9, 24 or 39(if you include some battlegrounds, or when people go after faction leaders for achievements) people to get the best loot in the game. And you still meet tons of people around the world and mostly inside the big cities like Orgrimmar, Dalaran or Stormwind.

Sound very MMO to me. Just because you dont raid with 39 other people and that epics doesnt ask you to ruin your life anymore to get them, shouldnt make this game less MMO to anyone.

It took me more time to gear to BiS in BC because I had to grind heroics for badgers with dumbtards throughout the day to obtain various BiS stuff that couldn't be obtained via raiding. Not to mention as a Warrior I had to have at minimum two full sets of gear to not be complete dead weight. If I include PvP I had to have at least 3 sets of gear.

Back in vanilla it was a matter of logging in for 3 hours 4 days a week

 

[Fonds]

Because WoW Vanilla was an MMORPG experience. WoW in it's current iteration is a game that optionally you can play with other people. Once they removed 40 person actual guild raids and replaced them with the dumbed down raid formula and their "purple for all!" mentality it stopped being a real MMO in my book.

I have to agree with you that I don't really like the dumbing down of WoW as the game got older.
The sense of achievement has gotten less on the raiding and gearing end of things.

Still it's a minor issue as far as I'm concerned. Purple has become the new blue and purple with a green subtext has become the new Purple.

In the end it's all the same, the content has just become more accesible for a greater part of the server population. I think that's a good thing since we're all paying for the game.

If you want to find hard, you can find it in WoW. Do some heroic 25 man kills or try becoming the top tier in your arena league.
Hard is still in there, you just have to look for it. And once you're going to look for it, the sense (and need) for community will increase with it.

 

[Tenks]

I have to agree with you that I don't really like the dumbing down of WoW as the game got older.
The sense of achievement has gotten less on the raiding and gearing end of things.

Still it's a minor issue as far as I'm concerned. Purple has become the new blue and purple with a green subtext has become the new Purple.

In the end it's all the same, the content has just become more accesible for a greater part of the server population. I think that's a good thing since we're all paying for the game.

If you want to find hard, you can find it in WoW. Do some heroic 25 man kills or try becoming the top tier in your arena league.
Hard is still in there, you just have to look for it. And once you're going to look for it, the sense (and need) for community will increase with it.

Nah my entire guild quit shortly after WotLK was released. I have no reason to go back to that game. I quit around halfway through BC's lifecycle (right around when they added daily quests) so I'm not even 80.

Also WoW PvP is the most broken and messy thing in the world. Even if I was on the #1 arena team it wouldn't mean anything to me. It's not a matter of if you're better than the other team or not it's a matter of if the other team has a better composition to beat your composition or not.

 

[dude]

What time is the Diablo part?

EDIT: nvm, just saw it in the OP. Can't wait.

 

[celebi23]

So, the StarCraft II goodies? It looks like you get a Murloc Marine portrait pic & corresponding decals (the Worgen & Goblin are for the Cataclysm collector's edition)

http://us.battle.net/sc2/static/images/source/portraits-1-75.jpg
http://us.battle.net/sc2/static/images/source/decals-1-75.jpg

Its located towards the end of each pic

 

[Bisnic]

It took me more time to gear to BiS in BC because I had to grind heroics for badgers with dumbtards throughout the day to obtain various BiS stuff that couldn't be obtained via raiding. Not to mention as a Warrior I had to have at minimum two full sets of gear to not be complete dead weight. If I include PvP I had to have at least 3 sets of gear.

Back in vanilla it was a matter of logging in for 3 hours 4 days a week

Yeah, i understand that, but the way you say that, it's like a game HAS to be a huge time sink to be considered a MMO. Not how you play, interact & kill monsters with thousands of people from around the country/world.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Because WoW Vanilla was an MMORPG experience. WoW in it's current iteration is a game that optionally you can play with other people. Once they removed 40 person actual guild raids and replaced them with the dumbed down raid formula and their "purple for all!" mentality it stopped being a real MMO in my book.

Do Heroic 25 mans then. They're still there if you want to be the best, but no one does them even though all the whining would suggest that it's exactly what they want.

 

[Concept17]

Because WoW Vanilla was an MMORPG experience. WoW in it's current iteration is a game that optionally you can play with other people. Once they removed 40 person actual guild raids and replaced them with the dumbed down raid formula and their "purple for all!" mentality it stopped being a real MMO in my book.

Ehh...if people think 'raids' make a game a MMO, then you obviously haven't played very many MMOs.

 

[vid]

So, the StarCraft II goodies? It looks like you get a Murloc Marine portrait pic & corresponding decals (the Worgen & Goblin are for the Cataclysm collector's edition)

http://us.battle.net/sc2/static/images/source/portraits-1-75.jpg
http://us.battle.net/sc2/static/images/source/decals-1-75.jpg

Its located towards the end of each pic

Crap. I really want these, but not nearly enough to drop $30 on streaming video. Think they'll make them available later through some fashion?

 

[SiegfriedFM]

How many hours until it starts? You and your crazy time zones.

 

[Takuan]

So, the StarCraft II goodies? It looks like you get a Murloc Marine portrait pic & corresponding decals (the Worgen & Goblin are for the Cataclysm collector's edition)

http://us.battle.net/sc2/static/images/source/portraits-1-75.jpg
http://us.battle.net/sc2/static/images/source/decals-1-75.jpg

Its located towards the end of each pic

Hot.

 

[Hugbot]

Man, every year I tell myself I really want to watch Blizzcon because it all sounds really cool, but I can never justify the stream cost. Hopefully the Fruit Vendor exhibition is available elsewhere later, and some sexy new D3/HotS video comes out.

Crap. I really want these, but not nearly enough to drop $30 on streaming video. Think they'll make them available later through some fashion?

No.

 

[Tony Rocky Horror]

€29.95 for a fucking stream.

Blizzard is beyond awesome, but they got damn petty.

Here's a pro-tip: I sold last year's in-game pet thing for around 75 bucks. Remember, these fans are crazy for goodies so you'll at least get your money back.

 

[Hugbot]

Here's a pro-tip: I sold last year's in-game pet thing for around 75 bucks. Remember, these fans are crazy for goodies so you'll at least get your money back.

Hmm, I wonder if the entire bonus content is one key or if I could pull out the SC2 stuff and sell off the WoW shit. Even if that's not the case, just selling everything sounds like a great ass plan and I'd be able to watch it live.

Edit: Actually, it looks like you put in your Battle.net e-mail when signing up and they'll likely credit it directly to you, no code involved. Bummer.

 

[HarryDemeanor]

Main BlizzCon website says you can watch the World of Warcraft, Warcraft III, and StarCraft II tournaments for free here http://blizzcon.rayv.com/

I don't know if they'll let you watch all of the matches or just a select few.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Ehh...if people think 'raids' make a game a MMO, then you obviously haven't played very many MMOs.

hmm been playing them since 2001...mass group activities are the pinnacle of MMO's its great fun whether its sacking a home city , or taking down a massive boss its fun when people work together in a massive effort. 25 man raids are fun and its still alot of people but i dont see why it had to come at the cost of 40 mans.

 

[Mashing]

I forgot about this being today. I should have remembered because a coworker took off work so he could watch this from home.

 

[Draft]

hmm been playing them since 2001...mass group activities are the pinnacle of MMO's its great fun whether its sacking a home city , or taking down a massive boss its fun when people work together in a massive effort. 25 man raids are fun and its still alot of people but i dont see why it had to come at the cost of 40 mans.

It's easier to get 25 geared/skilled people than it is 40. The raid team is already designing content that scales from 10 to 25, now they have to scale it to 40 as well?

25 guys working in coordination is still pretty massive, IMO.

 

[Won]

Hmm, I wonder if the entire bonus content is one key or if I could pull out the SC2 stuff and sell off the WoW shit. Even if that's not the case, just selling everything sounds like a great ass plan and I'd be able to watch it live.

Edit: Actually, it looks like you put in your Battle.net e-mail when signing up and they'll likely credit it directly to you, no code involved. Bummer.

B.net ID only sems to be required if you want access to online Blizzcon shop thing. There is a seperate box for that.

 

[Bisnic]

hmm been playing them since 2001...mass group activities are the pinnacle of MMO's its great fun whether its sacking a home city , or taking down a massive boss its fun when people work together in a massive effort. 25 man raids are fun and its still alot of people but i dont see why it had to come at the cost of 40 mans.

I never raided back in the day of 40 man raids... But looking at how hard it can be to manage 24 other people in current raids(well, from the few pugs i've seen. So many idiots in the same instance is bad news... argh), i cant imagine how annoying a 40 man was. AV is still a 40 man BG, so i can see how huge of a group 40 people is, and i can't see how a raid leader could handle so many people back in the day.

 

[darkpaladinmfc]

FruitDealer 4-1 Boxer

 

[Corran Horn]

Crap. I really want these, but not nearly enough to drop $30 on streaming video. Think they'll make them available later through some fashion?

Buy it off random person online I guess.

 

[RavenFox]

I hope for suprise Diablo 3 beta keys for the virtual ticket owners

Yeah I'm thinking I should pay to get something like this. Diablo beta keys would be my Christmas and birthday all in one.

 

[FLEABttn]

i cant imagine how annoying a 40 man was. AV is still a 40 man BG, so i can see how huge of a group 40 people is, and i can't see how a raid leader could handle so many people back in the day.

1) So annoying. If you dislike the tard wrangling/cat herding that is experienced in 10/25's, 40 is like that but cranked up to 11.
2) A raid leader didn't. You'd often have officers or class leads looking at what was going on, and even then there was a lot of finger pointing and shrugging of shoulders over when bad things happened/

 

[Outdoor Miner]

Just a heads up to duders with DirecTV that don't want to pay for the 2 day coverage, the opening ceremony will be available for free in HD on Channel 101.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Crap. I really want these, but not nearly enough to drop $30 on streaming video. Think they'll make them available later through some fashion?

If you want them you're better off spending $30 on the stream as opposed to $100 later for just the keys on eBay.

 

[Hugbot]

B.net ID only sems to be required if you want access to online Blizzcon shop thing. There is a seperate box for that.

STOP TOYING WITH MY EMOTIONS.

Teaches me not to read, I guess. It is definitely a code, they mention it in their FAQ.

 

[Lothars]

Crap. I really want these, but not nearly enough to drop $30 on streaming video. Think they'll make them available later through some fashion?

I doubt it will be, If your interested in those I would recommend to just go for the stream because who knows if they will be out on ebay or are just instantly linked to your account.

 

[KAL2006]

seems like every Diablo fan is posting here instead of the Diablo hype thread I created yesterday. I may as well repost this.

so half an hour before BlizzCOn kicks off, I am hoping they get right into Diablo 3

Rumour is that new character class will be announced today at 12pm-1pm

 

[Deadly]

Yeah I'm thinking I should pay to get something like this. Diablo beta keys would be my Christmas and birthday all in one.

It'd be more likely for them to give out the beta keys to people that are actually attending don't you think?

 

[KAL2006]

here is a nice countdown for all the panels and reveals
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/

 

[Hugbot]

It'd be more likely for them to give out the beta keys to people that are actually attending don't you think?

Whatever sergeant buzzkill, it's gonna be beta keys and free beer for everyone

 

[Tenks]

1) So annoying. If you dislike the tard wrangling/cat herding that is experienced in 10/25's, 40 is like that but cranked up to 11.
2) A raid leader didn't. You'd often have officers or class leads looking at what was going on, and even then there was a lot of finger pointing and shrugging of shoulders over when bad things happened/

Sounds like your guild was bad back in vanilla. We had a direct hierarchy with direct call outs and no excuses if it kept happening. I was DPS leader / rogue class leader for my guild and we were quite successful back in vanilla. If DPS screwed up (this generally happened on Vael) they could expect to hear a word from me about why it happened. If it kept happening they'd get switched out. This is even without being able to have the best of the best since we were on Medivh which featured Ascent which was the #1 guild in the world for quite a while.

The challenge of getting a ton of people coordinated (Thaddius says hello) was part of the challenge and part of the fun.

 

[Bisnic]

If, IF, there is some secret teaser for Heart of the Swarm today, when will they show it? Opening Ceremony or during the Starcraft II Cinematics's hour? From what i've seen in the OP, the SC2 Cinematics is about showing us how they made the cinematics more than anything else.

 

[Corky]

So ya'll think anybody will stream blizzcon via ustream / justin ?

 

[Nirolak]

So ya'll think anybody will stream blizzcon via ustream / justin ?

Of course.

The trick is finding it.