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Genshin Impact |OT| 5.0 (Natlan) - Everything Changed When the Fire Nation Arrived
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InterMusketeer
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Not a terrible banner for me. I think I still need a couple Rosaria cons (although I never use her anymore) and Candace's inclusion is a major win for me. Sorry Kirara, but you're not worth the risk at this time.
Gaming is such an awful name for a character dude. What were they thinking? He kinda looks like a girl with that ponytail and those eyelashes tbh. Guess they wanted to appeal to that crowd. It has been three years sine Venti after all.
Gaming is such an awful name for a character dude. What were they thinking? He kinda looks like a girl with that ponytail and those eyelashes tbh. Guess they wanted to appeal to that crowd. It has been three years sine Venti after all.
Pejo
Member
They should have named Cloud Retainer's human form "Fuking". Then you can Game with Gaming while I'm....So we will be able to game with Gaming?
Yea I'm really disappointed with the design they chose. Not that I like the midriff, but I thought the unhinged looking concept was at least novel and interesting. Even bald monk man would have been a big improvement. Not only did they pick the most boring design as a base, but then they extra-twinkified it somehow. Ah well, like I said before, I'm never gonna use him just like I don't use Bennett and Xingqiu, no matter how good he is.
I haven't been this disappointed with a male character since they chose the twink Heizou instead of the mustachioed detective concept.
InterMusketeer
Member
Really? I hate the left one. He has that annoying brat energy like Scara. Thank god they didn't pick that one. The bald one would've been my go-to because it would finally be a character that isn't blatantly pandering to women, but I'm sure it was shot down for that entire reason. They're too busy aiming for the K-pop crowd. That'd be fine if they pandered to male fans too, but all we're getting is uniboob and halal librarian.
deanote666
Member
Rust is still good.Damn, no love for Shogun enjoyers that thought "maybe I'll roll her polearm". That's a rotten-ass 4* selection.
Can't argue with either 5*.
InterMusketeer
Member
They're holding on to the Lithic series and other good weapons for Lantern Rite's banners, surely. You can bet your butt Xinyan's gonna be on CR's banner though.
Pejo
Member
For Childe and the 5 players using physical Fischl I suppose.
Navia trailer. MHY going the extra mile to show as little of her actual gameplay as possible. Nicely animated though. The sunglasses do not look good on her.
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Found it myself. Looks like she plays a little too much like Charlotte, which is a real shame. Animations are next level though, from the movements to the clothes physics.
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This gave me a laugh.
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Pejo
Member
Cloud Retainer in game:
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InterMusketeer
Bruuuuuh, it IS triple jump. FUCK YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First legit good news about this game in I can't even remember how long. I'm going IN on CR.
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Footage of the "enhanced plunge attack". It's a divebomb.
Full kit:
So it sounds like the bummer here is that you can't use her skill in midair or while falling, so Kaz still remains the best terrain navigator I guess.
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InterMusketeer
Bruuuuuh, it IS triple jump. FUCK YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First legit good news about this game in I can't even remember how long. I'm going IN on CR.
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Footage of the "enhanced plunge attack". It's a divebomb.
Full kit:
So it sounds like the bummer here is that you can't use her skill in midair or while falling, so Kaz still remains the best terrain navigator I guess.
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InterMusketeer
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It's really good on Yoi too. Consolation prize in case you don't get Thundering Pulse I guess.
That changes things for sure. It hardly resembles a plunge attack. Looks like she's got an active, fun kit. Kinda weird that they'd go that far for a healer, but I guess I shouldn't complain.
Footage of the "enhanced plunge attack". It's a divebomb.
I'm still a little disappointed by her grouping capabilities though. I also question why her burst has a buff to plunging attacks when most characters aren't equipped to take advantage of such a thing. She could do it herself, but she's a support so is that even going to be effective? I guess I just wanted something a bit more generally useful and less specialized. Exploration value seems a little bit limited too. I guess they didn't want to powercreep Kazuha and Scara too much. I would've been totally fine with that though... Still, the entire package's good enough for me since I'm starving for anything anemo.
Her weapon sounds like it sucks. I thought I read somewhere that it had crit stats, but it's just attack with some ER. It almost seems like the weapon is there just to support Xiao. I think I'll just give Skyward Atlas to her or something. Time to start farming VV again.
Pejo
Member
My whole thing is her insane role compression and her kit enables you to do two (seemingly) very effective builds with completely different purposes.
She can work as full support, like a mix of Jean and Kazuha. She offers off-field healing that FOLLOWS the active character (no need to worry about staying in a fucking circle) and her dive attack groups enemies like Kaz's while applying VV artifact effect. Also bonus damage and other benefits if you get her signature weapon and it sounds like her Burst also applies a vortex for extra grouping? I dunno, haven't seen that yet.
Then opposite that, I can play her with Scara's signature weapon (which I rolled for my weird attempt at Mona hypercarry), the Desert Pavilion artifacts, and my C6 Faruzan to make her an on field DPS carry, provided her multipliers and attack animations aren't total shit.
I've been disillusioned with MHY making characters that only fit one specific role in one kind of team, and Cloud Retainer is like opposite of that, she (probably) works in so many situations. Couldn't be happier.
Only downside is that they really locked her behind a paywall to get the most out of her. That C6 sounds like it majorly boosts her DPS and her signature weapon only fits her (so far) but looks really good if you plan to play her as a support. They're going for "break glass in case we need money" with her.
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A bit more footage. Annoyingly they spend more time looking at menus in chinese than they do showcasing her moveset.
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Icymanipulator
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All of this sounds amazing, but I’m over here thinking she’d make a good traversal/map companion
Having her, Yelan, Sayu and then either Rosaria or Dehya, for day/night would be a nice QoL
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Pejo
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Absolutely. Probably slightly less distance vertically/horizontally than Wanderer but you don't have to pick one direction at a time and can do it on the move without stopping. I wish you could activate her E in the air like Kazuha, is the only slight disappointment I have with that part of the kit.All of this sounds amazing, but I’m over here thinking she’d make a good traversal/map companion
Having her, Yelan, Sayu and then either Rosaria or Dehya, for day/night would be a nice QoL
InterMusketeer
Member
Ah, I didn't notice the vortex on her burst. Just the one on her triple E. That's fine then. Two sources of CC is about as much as you can ask for. The burst is especially interesting because it allows DPS like Keqing or Ayaka to swirl their own element with a quick plunge attack. That sounds really useful and quite unique.
I think you're right that she's very versatile. And she has an active kit with at least some on-field presence, which is what I've been asking for. She won't feel boring to play like Zhongli or Kokomi. Looking forward to it.
InterMusketeer
Member
Lol, is that a HSR character or something? No wonder he looks like a girl.
Pejo
Member
Yea 4* Fire HSR character, Guinafen.
Damn, didn't even notice that the "lion mask" stuff is basically the same as her pet too. They liked this character so much that they did it twice, but obviously more twink in Genshin because the fanbase demands it.
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deanote666
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Got a Tighnari early and uniboob early.
Got a Skyward blade early and mistsplitter at pity. Got the axe early.
Is there a reason for that vase you can claim on the event menu?
Got a Skyward blade early and mistsplitter at pity. Got the axe early.
Is there a reason for that vase you can claim on the event menu?
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Icymanipulator
Member
Threw a 10 for fun, got copies of Rosaria and Sucrose.
Damn if I’m not tempted to pull more tho, Navias trial makes her seem busted lol
But no matter how good she is, she’s just not Raiden.
Damn if I’m not tempted to pull more tho, Navias trial makes her seem busted lol
But no matter how good she is, she’s just not Raiden.
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deanote666
Member
I've got Navia half built and managed to pop a 50k hit with her E.
Artifact effect descriptions are getting ridiculous with the new domain blue set.
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Pejo
Member
I tried Navia out in the trial for a bit. I wish I could see what you guys like about her. She seems like an Ayato/Albedo/Xiao type character in that after her honeymoon period wears off, you'll never see anyone post about her or play her. She seems strong enough (like you can really tell in the trial anyways), but the flow of her kit just doesn't feel good to me. Then again, I'm aiming her shot instead of just tapping the skill button and mashing attack, so maybe I'm playing her wrong. At least she doesn't require mono-Geo, so that's already better than most other Geo characters.
New teapot theme is out for the underwater zone, you just buy it directly from Tubby for 1k coins. It's really beautiful but I haven't been able to find a place you can go to just swim around at your leisure. The islands are all separated by those whirlpools that put you on rails and following underwater currents back and forth. I'd rather they let us free swim in there too. New Fontaine style mansion is cool though.
A few QoLs I noticed are the auto-reassign for the dispatch feature and the auto level character/artifacts buttons now, which is nice.
New teapot theme is out for the underwater zone, you just buy it directly from Tubby for 1k coins. It's really beautiful but I haven't been able to find a place you can go to just swim around at your leisure. The islands are all separated by those whirlpools that put you on rails and following underwater currents back and forth. I'd rather they let us free swim in there too. New Fontaine style mansion is cool though.
A few QoLs I noticed are the auto-reassign for the dispatch feature and the auto level character/artifacts buttons now, which is nice.
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Nankatsu
Gold Member
Tried Navia and her voice during attack animations sounds different, sounds like a little kid.
Didn't like her gameplay style. It's punchy, sure, but slow as fuck.
Easy pass.
And this Zhongli skin tease is such a dick move. Give us the skin, not a damn statue for tea pot.
Didn't like her gameplay style. It's punchy, sure, but slow as fuck.
Easy pass.
And this Zhongli skin tease is such a dick move. Give us the skin, not a damn statue for tea pot.
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Reizo Ryuu
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Perhaps it is the same character, like how Venti is Wendy, though Venti/Wendy is more obvious.
Icymanipulator
Member
Things from the update I noticed
The new level up system is nice a touch but nothing ground breaking
Reassigning characters to expeditions is a nice small QoL
I swear some of the menu sound effects changed slightly, like the sound effect of moving through pages in the adventure book sounds slightly lower then it used to and there are a few others effects that just sound slightly different as well
Multiple weapon refinement at the same time (why this wasn’t always like this I have no idea)
Starting closer in domains is very welcome lol
Seeing the boss timers for their respawn is nice, but not ground breaking.
That’s all I noticed, didn’t read any patch notes or anything. But this was a nice update overall.
The new level up system is nice a touch but nothing ground breaking
Reassigning characters to expeditions is a nice small QoL
I swear some of the menu sound effects changed slightly, like the sound effect of moving through pages in the adventure book sounds slightly lower then it used to and there are a few others effects that just sound slightly different as well
Multiple weapon refinement at the same time (why this wasn’t always like this I have no idea)
Starting closer in domains is very welcome lol
Seeing the boss timers for their respawn is nice, but not ground breaking.
That’s all I noticed, didn’t read any patch notes or anything. But this was a nice update overall.
deanote666
Member
For those that didn't already know, apparently the abyss stars part of the battle pass doesn't count between the battle passes like the weeklies do.
Pejo
Member
Better look at CR's animations. Her outfit looks a LOT better in motion than it does in screenshots. I'm very pleased overall. Seems her attacks are slow and it's gonna be tough to make her a hypercarry though. Then again, if people do it with Yae, no reason I can't do it with CR.
I'm thinking CR/Faruzan/Furina then I'll try out a few different 4ths like Zhongli/Xiangling/JunJin/Yae and see what I can make work. She fits a Furina team so well by default by pretty much mitigating the HP drain. Probably aim for C2 and maybe try for C4 if I get a few copies early/don't lose 50/50s.
I'm thinking CR/Faruzan/Furina then I'll try out a few different 4ths like Zhongli/Xiangling/JunJin/Yae and see what I can make work. She fits a Furina team so well by default by pretty much mitigating the HP drain. Probably aim for C2 and maybe try for C4 if I get a few copies early/don't lose 50/50s.
InterMusketeer
Member
Finally won a 50/50 again and got Navia in about 75 wishes. I also got three Candace cons, Rosaria to C5 and just a single Sucrose that went to waste. Finally, with those three fates from ascension they gave me a primordial spear on the standard banner. Pretty sure that's the best 5-star weapon you can get on there. All in all I can't complain.
I'm having a lot of fun with Navia. I think her trial kinda sucks because you don't get to use the burst from the start which is vital to get things going. It's fun to collect the shards and then blast enemies with huge numbers. Maybe I'm just excited because I didn't really have access to Geo before and this is about as close as my account gets to a nuke tier attack, but even in my scuffed friendship exp team she's working rather well.
The only issue I've run into is that generating enough crystals with her as the only Geo character can be a bit rough. Hopefully Chiori fixes this down the line. Also wish her infusion lasted just a tad longer, but it is what it is.
I spent a bunch of resin on the new domain but only got a decent flower. Everything else that was vaguely useful was DEF%. Go figure.
I'm having a lot of fun with Navia. I think her trial kinda sucks because you don't get to use the burst from the start which is vital to get things going. It's fun to collect the shards and then blast enemies with huge numbers. Maybe I'm just excited because I didn't really have access to Geo before and this is about as close as my account gets to a nuke tier attack, but even in my scuffed friendship exp team she's working rather well.
The only issue I've run into is that generating enough crystals with her as the only Geo character can be a bit rough. Hopefully Chiori fixes this down the line. Also wish her infusion lasted just a tad longer, but it is what it is.
I spent a bunch of resin on the new domain but only got a decent flower. Everything else that was vaguely useful was DEF%. Go figure.
Yeah that's always been a bit weird. But it matters little since there's always at least three resets in any given update. Just gotta wait a while.
deanote666
Member
In 4 10 pulls on my f2p account, I got Navia and her axe. Both were before pity and won the character 50/50.
Got better luck on my f2p account...
When you get an in set goblet with a crit substat and 4/5 go to hp and 1/5 goes to a low roll flat attack...
For weapon banner pity, does the didn't get a banner 5*, next 5* is a banner 5* carry over to the next banner, like losing the 50/50 does for the character banner? Not talking about the choose a fate path.
Got better luck on my f2p account...
When you get an in set goblet with a crit substat and 4/5 go to hp and 1/5 goes to a low roll flat attack...
For weapon banner pity, does the didn't get a banner 5*, next 5* is a banner 5* carry over to the next banner, like losing the 50/50 does for the character banner? Not talking about the choose a fate path.
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jonnyXx
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Code for 60 primos:
NA88ANTJL5SD
And another web event:
act.hoyoverse.com
Answers to event: 1, 3, 4, 2 (numbered from left to right i.e. first statue is #1, second is #2, etc.)
Need to click one of the hints on the right before it will let you select one of the statues on the left.
Rewards:
NA88ANTJL5SD
And another web event:
Genshin Impact X Sanxingdui Museum Collaboration Web Event: Ancient Treasures Unearthed — Take Part for Primogems and Other In-Game Rewards!
Join Zhongli as you listen to the story, look through the pictures, and choose relics together. Simply enjoy some leisure time!
Answers to event: 1, 3, 4, 2 (numbered from left to right i.e. first statue is #1, second is #2, etc.)
Need to click one of the hints on the right before it will let you select one of the statues on the left.
Rewards:
Pejo
Member
Apparently the Korean gender war is heating up over Furina and Faruzan to a lesser degree. Supposedly the character designer for those characters was found to be a toxic feminist from Korea that moved to China and got a job with MHY. Koreans found out about it and pulled out the protest trucks (they often rent billboard trucks to circle the building of the gacha company that wronged them, HoYo in this case), and that didn't do the trick, so now they rented hot air balloons to circle the building in the sky for 4 days for what equals 12k USD a day.
I guess this same artist drew some characters for the gacha game Arknights and the studio behind that game fired her after the evidence was brought to light, some social media posts where she makes fun of men and says that they should be eliminated from the earth or something like that, I dunno. Seems a lot to do about nothing, but it certainly has felt like the game got locked down with feminist design choices after the great censoring patch where Jean/Amber/Rosaria got their alt costumes, so who knows how deep it goes.
I guess this same artist drew some characters for the gacha game Arknights and the studio behind that game fired her after the evidence was brought to light, some social media posts where she makes fun of men and says that they should be eliminated from the earth or something like that, I dunno. Seems a lot to do about nothing, but it certainly has felt like the game got locked down with feminist design choices after the great censoring patch where Jean/Amber/Rosaria got their alt costumes, so who knows how deep it goes.
Nankatsu
Gold Member
Animation wise she looks damn clean. I'm honestly very surprised.
Read a bit about her kit and she makes everyone a plunger with her burst? Damn.
I'll go for her certainly...for her weapon I need to see what catalysts I have in store.
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jonnyXx
Member
Finally artifact loadouts! Not what I had in mind but I'll take it.
And what the heck could dynamic character resolution be??
Some details regarding loadouts.
Can't tell from this description whether this will let you save multiple custom loadouts and quickly swap between them, but it must otherwise it may not be any faster than just equipping different artifacts yourself.
And what the heck could dynamic character resolution be??
Some details regarding loadouts.
Can't tell from this description whether this will let you save multiple custom loadouts and quickly swap between them, but it must otherwise it may not be any faster than just equipping different artifacts yourself.
InterMusketeer
Member
Korean gender war is crazy, but it sounds like both camps are pretty radical so it's hard to say if they're overreacting. Ultimately Faruzan and Furina are pretty successful characters with the player base. Their designs are tame but not every character has to be a sex symbol.
Leakers are now talking about a free 4-star skin selector for Lantern Rite. Supposedly you can pick any old or new skin including Shenhe's and Ganyu's. That would be a great addition to the festivities IMO.
Leakers are now talking about a free 4-star skin selector for Lantern Rite. Supposedly you can pick any old or new skin including Shenhe's and Ganyu's. That would be a great addition to the festivities IMO.
Pejo
Member
Yep I don't hate either character's designs, even if Faruzan's diaper still bugs me. Still, it's the stuff you won't see outwardly that might be affecting all designs that bothers me more. Like a mindset and a set of guidelines for all female characters more than just one or two characters individually. I wonder if it has something to do with why we got no more leotards after Ganyu
Man they are just doing anything they can to avoid giving us a 5* selector. "here, have a shit costume that's almost always worse than the original, on us".
For fucks sake MHY, give me my Dehya constellation.
I read this earlier and it's basically a nothingburger. It just allows lazy casuals to pick the stats they want and it auto equips the best unequipped artifacts to those criteria. It's no different than using the sort functions currently in the game, they're just adding the "equip all" button to it. Why the fuck didn't they just add a saved loadout feature on top of this? It has to be easier to program.
InterMusketeer
Member
For sure. I hate the trend but not really individual characters, although it is easy to see how they designed them to fit within their guidelines.
In a sense a free skin could be considered a more valuable reward. You can get Dehya at any time just by pulling, not so much a paid skin. I'm just happy if we're getting anything extra at all. I keep seeing people joke that we're getting a free Cloud Retainer, but I doubt it.
deanote666
Member
The Navia story quest gets a pretty cool cutscene towards the end. Traveler even uses some elemental powers
That ending hits hard.
That ending hits hard.
Icymanipulator
Member
They should give a 10 pull for every year you’ve had an account.
Pejo
Member
So CN is about to sign into law a new regulation preventing a lot of predatory game monetization. It has big ramifications across all genres of games and monetization styles, but Gacha is obviously going to be a major player.
www.nppa.gov.cn
A summary of the ones that will directly impact Genshin:
It's gonna be tough to make this into a blanket statement for all games, but HoYo will be heavily scrutinized if it passes, since they pretty much lord over the gacha industry right now.
I would love not having to log in every day without missing stuff, and for companies to have an upper limit on what they can charge for stuff, but as always I'm not sure if government getting involved (particularly the CCP) is the right answer.
Anyways, interesting times ahead.
国家新闻出版署
A summary of the ones that will directly impact Genshin:
So essentially Welkin will be gone, 2x genesis crystal bonus resets, bonuses for top up. They also won't be able to stretch rewards across daily login for stuff like anni and lantern rite. Also (at least in CN) there will be an upper limit to how much top up you can even buy. Rates will likely also be forced to be higher than the 0.15-3/4% we usually see in modern gacha games, and a pity system to buy the gacha stuff should be available.
It's gonna be tough to make this into a blanket statement for all games, but HoYo will be heavily scrutinized if it passes, since they pretty much lord over the gacha industry right now.
I would love not having to log in every day without missing stuff, and for companies to have an upper limit on what they can charge for stuff, but as always I'm not sure if government getting involved (particularly the CCP) is the right answer.
Anyways, interesting times ahead.
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deanote666
Member
I wholeheartedly endorse this.So CN is about to sign into law a new regulation preventing a lot of predatory game monetization. It has big ramifications across all genres of games and monetization styles, but Gacha is obviously going to be a major player.
国家新闻出版署
A summary of the ones that will directly impact Genshin:
So essentially Welkin will be gone, 2x genesis crystal bonus resets, bonuses for top up. They also won't be able to stretch rewards across daily login for stuff like anni and lantern rite. Also (at least in CN) there will be an upper limit to how much top up you can even buy. Rates will likely also be forced to be higher than the 0.15-3/4% we usually see in modern gacha games, and a pity system to buy the gacha stuff should be available.
It's gonna be tough to make this into a blanket statement for all games, but HoYo will be heavily scrutinized if it passes, since they pretty much lord over the gacha industry right now.
I would love not having to log in every day without missing stuff, and for companies to have an upper limit on what they can charge for stuff, but as always I'm not sure if government getting involved (particularly the CCP) is the right answer.
Anyways, interesting times ahead.
I'd rather pay a monthly subscription and be able to earn everything in the game than gatcha. Assuming it won't take 1000 hours of in game grinding to get a single thing with in game currency.
Gatcha needs to go away.
Pejo
Member
This is the old MMO model, and I agree.
Icymanipulator
Member
Grind forever or gacha…
There must be a third way
There must be a third way
Pejo
Member
InterMusketeer
Member
I wonder if those monetization changes would happen outside CN too. They're technically separate entities, right? Probably not worth running two versions of the game though. But man, if this passes they'd have to change the whole structure of the game. Do daily commissions count as login bonuses? Would they remove resin too? They're both systems that force regular logins. Curious to see what happens.
As for my personal thoughts, I like the gacha. I know it's stupid but the emotional response is different. The items on your account are rare and the account itself unique because of the choices you make. Besides, my standards and expectations would be way different if this game had a monthly subscription. Just imagine: The new update drops and it includes Lyney. I'd be pissed off because I just paid for a shit stain I'll never use. As it is now, my money (if any) only goes to the stuff I like and the rest is easily ignored. The main issue I have with the monetization in Genshin is that everything's way too expensive. Isn't it like $100 to get a single 5-star? That's insane, and then there's the 50/50 too. Those prices need to come down hard.
And at least she won't ruin CR's banner.
As for my personal thoughts, I like the gacha. I know it's stupid but the emotional response is different. The items on your account are rare and the account itself unique because of the choices you make. Besides, my standards and expectations would be way different if this game had a monthly subscription. Just imagine: The new update drops and it includes Lyney. I'd be pissed off because I just paid for a shit stain I'll never use. As it is now, my money (if any) only goes to the stuff I like and the rest is easily ignored. The main issue I have with the monetization in Genshin is that everything's way too expensive. Isn't it like $100 to get a single 5-star? That's insane, and then there's the 50/50 too. Those prices need to come down hard.
I thought Shenhe/Ganyu's banner would be a lock for Lantern Rite. It's been a while for them and their skins are releasing too. But then I remembered Ayaka's skin was just released randomly too, without a banner to go alongside it, so who knows. As for Xinyan... I hope I can just snipe a Chevreuse quicklySupposed leaked banners for 2nd half of 4.3 and 4.4 (5*s only)
And at least she won't ruin CR's banner.
Pejo
Member
Presumably herself, since she's a fashion designer/dressmaker.
Then again, fashion designers in real life are responsible for this shit:
So I guess it tracks.