Yeah, most people have empathy and don't want people to die just because they didn't like their run in office 25 years earlier.
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George H.W. Bush Has Been Taken To The Hospital Due To Shortness of Breath
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Yeah, most people have empathy and don't want people to die just because they didn't like their run in office 25 years earlier.
HUELEN10
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The child should not pay for the crimes of is parents. Prior to coming to America, my mom never even knew black people existed, and she sometimes gets scared by them; does that mean I'm a bigot? Of course not.
Every president does good and bad IMO, but I think it's a good citizen's duty to, at the very least, stay informed to its former leaders, and to handle death with proper respect.
Truthfully, I don't know the details of his presidency as I do those of other presidents, but he's a human being, and I wish him good health, even at this age.
A Human Becoming
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I remember when Ted Kennedy was diagnosed with brain cancer people were happy that he got brain cancer, and when he died again people were happy. Then I realized people are really horrible.
HUELEN10
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Dying Of Thirst
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Look at those socks! What a pimp.Isn't he generally referred to as either George H.W. Bush or "Bush 41"?
Also, dat shortness of breath...
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Your mom didn't even know black people existed? How is that even possible?
And you're arguing with another gaffer when you admit you know absolutely nothing of his presidency? That makes no sense at all.
Some of them are, unfortunately. I think most people can look past their political views and see that they're just another human being, though. I didn't agree with Ted Kennedy on most things politically, but I certainly wasn't the least bit happy when he passed.
Or George Bush Sr, even though that's not accurate.
C'mon. He wasn't a great president or anything, but he wasn't evil incarnate. By all means, he can live a long life and die peacefully. At the very least, he's done some decent bipartisan charity work and come out to encourage unity and giving during national crises.
HUELEN10
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She lived since a young age in a country which killed all the natives, and so was around other European descendants. It's gonna become more uncommon as time goes on, but it is still a very possible happening.
I never said I knew nothing, I merely know less than I know the details of other presidents; my point still stands, have some respect.
terrisus
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To be fair, some people probably had some of his personal misdeeds in mind with that.
Doesn't make it alright, but for what that's worth.
Vestal
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I feel like I am in bizzaro world just reading this. HW wasn't that bad a president, he had the balls a lot of new politicians don't have simply because he went back on his political pledge for the betterment of the country..(No new taxes pledge aka famous Read My Lips quote.) He also was smart enough to stay the fuck out of Baghdad during Desert Storm..
metalslimer
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H.W. has no political power whatsoever so I don't get why anyone would anything bad to happen to him.
Gamer @ Heart
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Are you fucking serious?
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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What country was this? That still seems almost impossible to happen. You'd have to have no contact with the outside world at all to think that.
Awful, but he's lived a long and incredibly productive life. While I don't agree with all of his personal views, he seems better than many people in Washington.
Argentina in the 20th century did a pretty good job of hiding and expelling its nonwhite population.
Argentina in the 20th century did a pretty good job of hiding and expelling its nonwhite population.
Came in here expecting more of this. Left happy that most people here don't let politics affect their ability to be a sympathetic human being.
I'd suspect that despite their flaws, both Bush presidents felt they were doing what was best for the country and love it no less than you do.
So if ill, I still wish them the best.
I dunno, wishing death and pain on him for that stuff is a little extreme. And I'm saying that as a pretty hard core liberal.
There's a line. Sadistic people and mass murderers, I don't shed a tear for... but that's dark thinking to be glad someone is dying. Spare yourself carrying that hate.
HP_Wuvcraft
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1) Not the same person.
2) Come on, dude. He *could* die. Do you really want to be so fucking petty?
You beat me to it. That's so weird. I really wanna know how that's possible, too. Unless she's from Papua New Guinea or something. I just don't get it.
Uh huh, okay.
Okay where did she move from? Krypton?
You realize that the exact same could be said about almost every dictator ever?
I don't think HW should be demonized, though. Especially compared to today's lot of Republicans.
That's a pretty riduculous leap though. They weren't dictators. So it's irrelevant.
At some point, most people grow up and realize politics isn't good vs. Evil, or your team vs. There's.
whatever77
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He tricked Gorbachev into disbanding the Warsaw pact and let the whole East Europe go peacefully without giving up an itch on NATO. Frankly that's the greatest geopolitical victory a recent US president has pulled since Nixon. Of course his son lost all the global influence he worked hard to gain and and then some.
The One and Done
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Their stance on social issues really makes me question this these days. How can denying something like marriage rights be seen as good by...anyone? Or women's rights like abortion?
I'm not going to outright call them *evil* right now, but the common stances make me a bit sick honestly.
You Are Viewtiful
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If it makes you feel better, I thought it was his son and did indeed feel the schadenfreude. Unfortunately it's his father and I don't know much about him other than him having bad sperm, so I am sad instead.
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The One and Done;144608509 said:
Good for you.
The weird thing is that H.W.'s dad, who was evidently a Nazi sympathizer, was also a big proponent and supporter of the organization that would become planned parenthood.
The only thing I can think of is that he thought it was population control for minorities.
Because in their heart of hearts they believe they're doing the right thing. Protecting family values, preventing infanticide etc.
I don't agree with them, but not every issue is black and white. Its helpful to at least try to understand why people hold certain views. They're not always or even usually motivated by malicious thoughts.
I know plenty of good people that are Republicans or Libertarians. I don't always agree with them on certain things, but they usually have good intentions and believe their politics is what's best for all people.
It's childish in my opinion to dismiss people with opposite political views as evil. There are smart, decent people all over the spectrum.
Just think, when Clinton gets sick one day there will be people saying vile shit about him the same way some people are likely saying about Bush. Both sides are equally wrong.
BlackSalad
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Best Wishes to him and his family, no politics needed in here, he is a good leader and an even better human being, I hope he pulls through.
HUELEN10
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I think this needs repeating; it's a very important point.
speculawyer
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Look, I didn't vote for him but as far as Republican presidents go, he was probably the best Republican since Eisenhower. He has a very bad quote about atheists (which I hope is not real or he very much regrets). But this guy supported Title X, got a REAL coalition for the Gulf war, and raised taxes as needed to reduce the deficit. And he had the balls to chastise Reagan for what he (rightly) called "Voo-Doo Economics".
And you have to love his WW2 performance. But his son is demon see and the GOP has really gone crazy since his day.
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acheron_xl
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That's damning him with the faintest of praise. I'd never trust a guy who was head of the CIA. I don't care if it was Mr. Rogers.
speculawyer
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I can't agree with this. It assumes that all viewpoints are equally valid. And honestly, they aren't. Republicans are on the wrong side of history right now with both social and financial issues.
Just because one believes they are doing the right thing doesn't mean they are.
Absolutely! But loving your country doesn't prevent someone from doing horrible things. Often, people do horrible things out of this love.
I never made that claim. And if they aren't doing the right thing, it doesn't automatically mean they're evil either.
the point of the bizarro world comment is that it's just incredibly strange to see someone extending sympathies to a war criminal and all around human rights violater. in fact, his administration probably harmed you and your family in some measurable capacity. the same goes for any president, before anyone objects and points out that none of them have perfect track records. that's understating it. they have horrendous records.
he doesn't deserve our respect just because he we was a president or public figure. he didn't earn that. in fact, it's for those reasons he has earned our disdain.
but not feeling sorry for his potential death doesn't mean wanting him to die or even believing he deserves death. it's just that it's incredibly unsettling to see people extending sympathies and even honoring men who have lived long, privileged lives, having earned comfort and prestige despite the fact that they have committed atrocities which warrant life in prison by any fair estimation.
dude is 90 and jumping out of planes and having the time of his life after contributing to hundreds of thousands of deaths while a kid like chelsea manning is serving most of his life behind bars for leaking government secrets.
i don't want him to suffer. he's a human being. but if he dies, i won't care, and i am not required to.
so if you are extending sympathies to him, fine. go for it. but if you were sitting there feeling good about the death of say, hugo chavez, you should really be questioning you are deriving this "moral" sentiment from? it's either ignorance or approval. and the latter just doesn't make sense.
he doesn't deserve our respect just because he we was a president or public figure. he didn't earn that. in fact, it's for those reasons he has earned our disdain.
but not feeling sorry for his potential death doesn't mean wanting him to die or even believing he deserves death. it's just that it's incredibly unsettling to see people extending sympathies and even honoring men who have lived long, privileged lives, having earned comfort and prestige despite the fact that they have committed atrocities which warrant life in prison by any fair estimation.
dude is 90 and jumping out of planes and having the time of his life after contributing to hundreds of thousands of deaths while a kid like chelsea manning is serving most of his life behind bars for leaking government secrets.
i don't want him to suffer. he's a human being. but if he dies, i won't care, and i am not required to.
so if you are extending sympathies to him, fine. go for it. but if you were sitting there feeling good about the death of say, hugo chavez, you should really be questioning you are deriving this "moral" sentiment from? it's either ignorance or approval. and the latter just doesn't make sense.
Beelzebufo
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That's kind of a bad comparison though, right? I can feel bad that HW is dying because he was the president, but that doesn't mean I have to feel equally bad about Chavez dying. That's like saying I should be equally sad about someone I walked by on the street as I should if someone I knew for a year or so died. It's different because he was the president, so I feel more affected when he does.
I mean, that's pretty intuitive.
I mean, that's pretty intuitive.
Always sorry to hear that a human being is nearing the end.
Though as far as politics is concerned, I couldn't disagree more with people hailing the man as a good leader. He was just as bad, perhaps even worse, than his imbecile son. Ask the people of Panama how much they appreciate him.
Though as far as politics is concerned, I couldn't disagree more with people hailing the man as a good leader. He was just as bad, perhaps even worse, than his imbecile son. Ask the people of Panama how much they appreciate him.
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