George Lucas "privilege" Empire Strikes Back voted no.1, wasn't always a trilogy

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Star Wars at #1, a Batman film at #3? Wow. Just wow. Empire readers, lol. No words...



edit: Oh great, top of the page. I was being sarcastic, Batman is a fine movie - it's fantastic. Heath Ledger, a wonderful actor, one of the best.
 
it's a list voted for by the public, of course Shawshank and TDK were going to make the list.

I don't really know how Shawshank entered the public consciousness as this "great movie" but it's there now—and it's not going anywhere, I guess
 
I give Lucas little to no credit for TESB. He wrote the story, but the rest was everyone else.

Driected by:- Irvin Kershner

Written by:- Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan

Story by:- George Lucas.

Leigh Brackett didn't write a single word that appeared in the movie. Lucas wrote like four drafts of the script and Kasdan more or less took a couple passes at that, and off they went.

He gave Brackett the co-credit because she was an awesome woman who died on the project and he thought her family should get that residual money.

This is pretty well known.
 
The rest of the 10 are:

6. Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope

7. The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring

8. Jaws

9. Raiders Of The Lost Ark

10. Inception
 
I'm always surprised how Shawshank places so high in these fanboy lists.

Shawshank falls into the same category as Forrest Gump, Titanic, and Wall-E for me. They just feel emotionally manipulative in a way that seems so obvious and ham-fisted to me. But clearly I am in the minority in that opinion.
 
Leigh Brackett didn't write a single word that appeared in the movie. Lucas wrote like four drafts of the script and Kasdan more or less took a couple passes at that, and off they went.

He gave Brackett the co-credit because she was an awesome woman who died on the project and he thought her family should get that residual money.

This is pretty well known.

Obviously, it's not that well know. Why didn't george give himself writing credit, if he wrote so much of the script?
 
Obviously, it's not that well know. Why didn't george give himself writing credit, if he wrote so much of the script?

I just told you why.

Again - it's pretty well known. Or at least, well known enough by people who care about how Star Wars got made, which is to be fair, a much smaller subsect of fans than people who are fine with just watching the movies and that's it. :)
 
Ugh.

How did Morgan Freeman even get his recent following? Have to imagine being in a few Nolan films played a role in it.

It's not that recent, really. Morgan Freeman's been a beloved actor for a long time now.

Honestly - Driving Miss Daisy had a LOT to do with it. Which sucks, as it's not a GREAT movie, nor is it what I would consider his best work, but that was the film that really put him in the public eye. That coupled with "Glory" which also came that year.

I don't think being in Batman did much of anything for him, really. He was already "Morgan Freeman" at that point.
 
Eh, that list doesn't bug me. Lots of good stuff in there. Personally, I'd drop The Dark Knight 100 spots and kick Jaws out entirely, but there's no reason to be snobby about it. People like Batman, no surprise.
 
It's not that recent, really. Morgan Freeman's been a beloved actor for a long time now.

Honestly - Driving Miss Daisy had a LOT to do with it. Which sucks, as it's not a GREAT movie, nor is it what I would consider his best work, but that was the film that really put him in the public eye. That coupled with "Glory" which also came that year.

I don't think being in Batman did much of anything for him, really. He was already "Morgan Freeman" at that point.

He's always been well regarded, but it's one thing to be a critical darling, it's another to be a darling of the internet/fanboys—if that makes any sense. Liam Neeson had that kind of thing going on for a few years too (everyone seemed to think he's the only good thing about Ep 1 despite the fact that he's just as awful as everyone else in it), before he cashed out with his recent slew of old-man action films.
 
but there's no reason to be snobby about it.

That's the whole point of a "Greatest ______ of all Time" list. To be snobby about it. It's why people love lists so much. They get to indulge in the act of elitism, which a lot of elitists know, is FUN AS HELL.

He's always been well regarded, but it's one thing to be a critical darling, it's another to be a darling of the internet/fanboys—if that makes any sense.

I get you, I just don't think he's really a darling of the internet beyond people trying to do impersonations of him, which doesn't have anything to do with Batman and has to do with funny internet videos goofing on his history of narrating things.

I don't get the sense "Fanboys" have any particular claim on Morgan Freeman beyond the same claim regular film fans or just plain ol' moviegoers have. He's a nice guy who is nice in movies and he has a nice voice, too. :)
 
My reaction as well. I still find reception to that movie weird. Like, its certainly a very good movie, but I feel like if it wasn't a Batman movie it wouldn't be so beloved (by a certain segment of people)

Yeah, I feel the same about Star Wars. The fans wouldn't be there if it wasn't for wars in space

*rollseyes*
 
"I never really planned it to be three separate films but when it became three separate films, it had an interesting effect of each film having its own personality, caused by the plot."

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The Dark Knight at 3?

It isn't even the best Batman flick lol

Edit: Oh, read it as TDK, my statement still stands though
 
Shawshank falls into the same category as Forrest Gump, Titanic, and Wall-E for me. They just feel emotionally manipulative in a way that seems so obvious and ham-fisted to me. But clearly I am in the minority in that opinion.

How? Titanic, I would agree, but the other two...
 
I just told you why.

Again - it's pretty well known. Or at least, well known enough by people who care about how Star Wars got made, which is to be fair, a much smaller subsect of fans than people who are fine with just watching the movies and that's it. :)

You didn't tell me why. You told me why Brackett got credit. There is no reason for george to not get credit as well.
 
I always thought shawshank was some weird imdb glitch, but now its so high in this poll, too?
dont get me wrong, very good movie, but it was very long on imdb's no1 and its not the best movie of all time.
godfather is a great no 1 though
 
Shawshank topped a channel4 poling for greatest movies of all time way back in the late 90's/earlier 2000's. This is not a new phenoma, people just like the movie.
 
You didn't tell me why. You told me why Brackett got credit. There is no reason for george to not get credit as well.

Yeah I did. If he wanted credit, he would have taken it. Instead, he gave that half to Brackett's estate.

As it was, he was already putting all his own money up to get the thing made. He didn't get paid until after the movie came out.

Essentially, he didn't need the writer's credit, and he didn't need the money that would have come from taking that credit. But the Brackett family could have used that money, so he killed his own credit and gave it to Brackett so they could get residuals. So yeah, I told you why. There was absolutely a reason why he wouldn't take credit, and that reason was so that Leigh Brackett's estate would get the money. That's it.

It's not like there was a worry that if he didn't take the writer's credit, people wouldn't know he did anything on the movie, yunno? :)

Check out J.W. Rinzler's "Making of" books that came out. They're really fun reads. Not slow-going at all, full of a LOT of behind-the-scenes images people didn't see until they got published.

Shawshank topped a channel4 poling for greatest movies of all time way back in the late 90's/earlier 2000's. This is not a new phenoma, people just like the movie.

True indeed, but I also think there's this sort of self-perpetuating thing with it at this point.

I wouldn't be surprised if in another 10-20 years, the way people like to throw out "Citizen Kane" as shorthand for "great movie I haven't actually watched but I know fucking snobs I don't like have seen it," might be replaced by "Shawshank," honestly. Like, say "I don't know what you're talking about, Transformers 13 was fucking awesome. I mean, what were you expecting, fucking Shawshank Redemption? Just turn your brain off, dummy."
 
You didn't tell me why. You told me why Brackett got credit. There is no reason for george to not get credit as well.

Aside from maybe not wanting to take away residuals from Brackett's family. When you split credit, you split the money that goes with it.
 
The Empire Strikes Back, The Godfather, The Dark Knight, The Shawshank Redemption, Pulp Fiction?

That's a lot of movies fourteen year old boys like. Tells me more about the magazine's demographics than anything.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if in another 10-20 years, the way people like to throw out "Citizen Kane" as shorthand for "great movie I haven't actually watched but I know fucking snobs I don't like have seen it," might be replaced by "Shawshank," honestly. Like, say "I don't know what you're talking about, Transformers 13 was fucking awesome. I mean, what were you expecting, fucking Shawshank Redemption? Just turn your brain off, dummy."

I would be floored if Shawkshank ever reached that kind of reverence. And I love the movie, it's in my top 5.
 
True indeed, but I also think there's this sort of self-perpetuating thing with it at this point.

I wouldn't be surprised if in another 10-20 years, the way people like to throw out "Citizen Kane" as shorthand for "great movie I haven't actually watched but I know fucking snobs I don't like have seen it," might be replaced by "Shawshank," honestly. Like, say "I don't know what you're talking about, Transformers 13 was fucking awesome. I mean, what were you expecting, fucking Shawshank Redemption? Just turn your brain off, dummy."

I really doubt it would ever be described that way. It's not really a snob type of movie.

It also doesn't add anything to the medium other than being sort of a cute story, so I see it being similar to how is it today; a popular movie for those who don't delve deep into film.
 
I hope TOP WHATEVER POLL because it's just a popularity contest. Though I am surprised that this poll didn't end up looking more like the imdb top list. Which by the way is pure bullshit.
 
Ugh.

How did Morgan Freeman even get his recent following? Have to imagine being in a few Nolan films played a role in it.

He was in Se7en too. Fincher is the guy Nolan is obviously desperate to be.

I hope TOP WHATEVER POLL because it's just a popularity contest. Though I am surprised that this poll didn't end up looking more like the imdb top list. Which by the way is pure bullshit.

The imdb top 250 is certainly eclectic. Anyone could create a pretty solid top 10 using only those titles listed. Their top-10 is somewhat respectable (TDK and LotR really need to drop like The Matrix, which tends to happen over time with imdb).
 
My reaction as well. I still find reception to that movie weird. Like, its certainly a very good movie, but I feel like if it wasn't a Batman movie it wouldn't be so beloved (by a certain segment of people)

What a bizarre thing to say, as if it could be anything other than a Batman movie and not be completely fucking different lol.
 
The Empire Strikes Back, The Godfather, The Dark Knight, The Shawshank Redemption, Pulp Fiction?

That's a lot of movies fourteen year old boys like. Tells me more about the magazine's demographics than anything.

The Godfather is the second-rated American movie in history by the American Film Institute and Star Wars (Episode 4) was 13th. Hell, even Shawshank (72) and Pulp Fiction (94) made the Top 100, albeit much further down the list.

It's not exactly a 14 year old boys like these movies deal, outside of The Dark Knight.
 
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