Germany: Merkel disgust at New Year gang assaults

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magnetic said:
I feel really bad for the people trying to flee from violence, abuse and oppression, only to find out that the same power structures are being kept alive inside the refugee camps, and with outbursts like these.

Of course not all refugees are violent, angry, misogynist men, but they are undoubtedly here, or else this wouldn't have happened. This isn't theory, this is reality. The victims of sexual abuse aren't suddenly less traumatized because "well, this was only a small minority of idiots!"

These guys are ruining it for those who genuinely need protection and have good intentions. I honestly think some people don't realize that trying to downplay the severity of what happened on NYE by saying stuff like "there's also rape at the Oktoberfest" or "rape culture was here long before this happened" is going to make things even worse.

If you want to protect refugees, think about the weakest among them - women, children, homosexuals, religious minorities. Those are stuck in the same camps as the type of guys who participated in the mass abuse on NYE, and who knows what those are going through.

If we don't nip this type of chaos in the bud and keep downplaying assaults and problems, the atmosphere against ALL refugees is going to drop further below zero. Those guys have turned around the mood in a way that was stunningly effective in how brazen it was. It all sounds like the perfect far right wet dream scenario.

I try to stay away from all social media discussions concerning this right now because it's such a mess of ideologies, intentions and agendas, but I just wanted to add this to the discussion.

In order to be tolerant, you can't tolerate intolerance. If we truly are not racist, we need to hold everyone coming to this country to the same standards as ourselves.

And trying to compare the sexism of the immigrant males with the sexism in Germany is honestly insulting to everyone involved. Abuse is horrible wherever it happens. Just because there's sexist shit happening everywhere in the world doesn't make the events on NYE any less infuriating.
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I feel the need to compliment you for this, it is very emphatic and thoughtful comment.
 
Saw this on facebook, must be fun living in a bubble.
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''Fear not, little whore. I'm here to make sure those immigrant men don't grope or threaten to rape you. Because that's MY job!''
 
Kinokou said:
I feel the need to compliment you for this, it is very emphatic and thoughtful comment.
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Thank you. I usually have trouble putting together coherent thoughts when it comes to sensitive political issues, especially when everybody is screaming as loud as they can, and then I just put in my head in the sand and become apathetic, but this is such a significant topic that I felt the need to shape my own stance on this.
 
Jasup said:
The narrative is that many of the womens associations and feminists have campaigned against sexual harrasment for years because it's still a thing. They do know that in Western Europe the problems of sexual harrasment and sexual violence is more prevalent in many immigrant populations and many participate and have participated in international campaigns for womens rights in Middle-East and Africa for example.

However many of these organizations are outraged that many of the same people who have previously dismissed the problem of sexual harrasment are now now outraged by it, because it fits their often racist political narrative. Often times these same people still continue to dismiss the domestic problem.

The problem they have is not that the wrong men committed the crime but that the wrong men are "protecting" them. It's the hypocrisy they're against.

This discussion has been trending a bit in Finland, where for example one MP told a Finnish journalist on Twitter that she should not complain about her experiences of sexual harrasment because she's a former pornstar. The same MP is naturally outraged about sexual harrasment in cases where immigrants are involved.

This cartoon was on today's Demokraatti (Finnish Social Democratic newspaper) about the issue:

I really don't like the narrative that "the left" or "liberals" or what have you are willing to let immigrants commit crimes in the name of "multiculturalism" or "diversity". Crimes are crimes and should be dealt with accordingly.
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I wonder if they realize that they are pushing normal people to the right.
 
magnetic said:
I feel really bad for the people trying to flee from violence, abuse and oppression, only to find out that the same power structures are being kept alive inside the refugee camps, and with outbursts like these.

Of course not all refugees are violent, angry, misogynist men, but they are undoubtedly here, or else this wouldn't have happened. This isn't theory, this is reality. The victims of sexual abuse aren't suddenly less traumatized because "well, this was only a small minority of idiots!"

These guys are ruining it for those who genuinely need protection and have good intentions. I honestly think some people don't realize that trying to downplay the severity of what happened on NYE by saying stuff like "there's also rape at the Oktoberfest" or "rape culture was here long before this happened" is going to make things even worse.

If you want to protect refugees, think about the weakest among them - women, children, homosexuals, religious minorities. Those are stuck in the same camps as the type of guys who participated in the mass abuse on NYE, and who knows what those are going through.

If we don't nip this type of chaos in the bud and keep downplaying assaults and problems, the atmosphere against ALL refugees is going to drop further below zero. Those guys have turned around the mood in a way that was stunningly effective in how brazen it was. It all sounds like the perfect far right wet dream scenario.

I try to stay away from all social media discussions concerning this right now because it's such a mess of ideologies, intentions and agendas, but I just wanted to add this to the discussion.

In order to be tolerant, you can't tolerate intolerance. If we truly are not racist, we need to hold everyone coming to this country to the same standards as ourselves.

And trying to compare the sexism of the immigrant males with the sexism in Germany is honestly insulting to everyone involved. Abuse is horrible wherever it happens. Just because there's sexist shit happening everywhere in the world doesn't make the events on NYE any less infuriating.
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well said.
 
SolidusDave said:
far right and far left are one and the same.
It's ridiculous. It's rather a problem with how the human brain works though (or rather that a subset of people are more prone to radicalization). Any ideology can have people bending reality to fit their bubble. Obviously some ideologies are more harmful to our society than others based on what they believe, e.g. the far left is still the lesser evil than the far right.

Then the obvious power play is added, not in the sense of the lust for more power in a country but rather not letting the ones of the opposite ideology gaining influence. Now you get misinformation/misrepresentation or sometimes even straight up lies from either camp, anything that fits the narrative.

As usual, all of them think they are the good guys of course (see also terrorists etc. btw). It's especially easy to convince yourself when you have a righteous cause on paper. Let's say, "reduce reduce animal suffering/preserve nature" - cool. Now cue organizations like Peta doing their shit.

It's frustrating for anyone in the middle. Everything has to be politicized.
No, helping people in need is NOT left-wing. No, wanting to organize helping them based on resources and potential threats is not right-wing. It's a realist thing called common fucking sense.
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Indeed.
It's almost like they are coming fully circle.

People are terrified of being branded something politically. Most obvious one being Racist.
Far left and far right are busy playing tug 'o war and are far too busy trying to spin it around at one another to use as a weapon whilst doing damage control.

This isn't about skin color. This is about certain individuals having certain ideologies that are that are physically hurting others.
 
AcademicSaucer said:
normal as in not politically affiliated.
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I doubt many of the women's associations care that much about party politics.

In case of Social Democrats, their performance in monthly polls have increased considerably in last months. They were the fourth biggest party in August and are now the biggest - so I don't think they see it the same way as you do.

The main reason of course for the Social Democratic Party's good performance is that they're in the opposition and the government has been increasingly unpopular.

There is another angle, Social Democrats has lost a lot of people to the populist right wing party (the Finns). Now The Finns party has plummeted in polls after it got to the government, losing almost half of the supporters, people have been asking if they're coming back to Social Democrats. And the answer is no, Social Democrats don't want them back because they don't want to pander to the social conservatives. So the second answer to your question is: Even if they see they were pushing people to the right, I think they wouldn't stop what they're doing.

But this is highly off topic now.
 
So according to this article, we've got good news and bad news

(translation from reddit)

The good news:
"A split of suspects shows that only 0.5 % of Syrian migrants commits such acts of crime within one year of arrival,
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the bad news:
while that number around 40% for North-Africans".
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Since four years, the Cologne police concludes that small thefts are mainly conducted by young men from Algeria, Tunesia and Morocco. Also the so called Antänzer, who rob victims after grabbing onto them through unwanted contact or a dance, are predominantly from these North-African countries. They're mostly the eldest sons who've been sent to Germany to earn some money, so the rest of the family can pay for human smugglers to travel later, according to the Minister of Domestic Affairs of Northrhine-Westphalia. Besides that the police also concludes that criminal gangs recruit newcomers in refugee camps. The perpetrators often come from Maghreb countries, but traveled to Germany with Syrian passports.

"They'll sit next to the Syrian refugees in the waiting room and then steal their stuff", says a volunteer in the Cologne main railway station to the newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung. "North Africans", as he calls them, come to the station to steal every day.
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Samy Charchira, member of the German islamic conference, notices since 3 or 4 years ago, a lot more young people from Tunisia, Algeria and Morocca are arriving in Germany. "These youth seek a network. They know no German and don't know where to go, but do meet people who speak their language. Some of these newcomers uses the influx of refugees to enter Germany illegaly", Charchira says.

Also researchers see how migrants from the Maghreb countries, who come to earn money for their families, end up in criminal gangs.
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It's nice to see that the Syrians behave themselves. OTOH it hurts my brain thinking how the trouble makers come from "safe" countries using forged / stolen Syrian passports. What a disgusting bunch.
 
Why won't the feminists who completely shat on that guy who wore a tasteless shirt while he landed a rocket complain about this? I barely see any outrage, or maybe I'm not on the correct news sources.

magnetic said:
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If you want to protect refugees, think about the weakest among them - women, children, homosexuals, religious minorities.
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Remember that thread on gaf where slovakia only wanted to accept Christian refugees? Look at the reactions of the people there.

While I dislike Trudeau, I'm glad he is only accepting women and children, not mostly men. That's how it should be done, imo.

If it's between having your own citizens raped and harassed (even underaged girls as well) and "not being nice/fair" by only accepting women and children, the latter makes infinitely more sense. I truly feel bad for Germany and its citizens.
 
SolidusDave said:
What? Am I'm misunderstanding this or is that an official quote that says that 40% of all North-Africans (refugees and illegals I guess?) commit a crime within the first year?! That can't be right, surely if an entire half of any demographic consists of criminals it would be a huge debate already?
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Slechts 0,5 procent van de Syrische migranten plegen dergelijke misdrijven binnen een jaar, terwijl dat voor Noord-Afrikanen op ongeveer 40 procent ligt

Uit intern politierapport
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which google says means
Only 0.5 percent of Syrian immigrants commit such offenses within a year, while it is around 40 percent for North Africans

An internal police report
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So yeah...
Though I'm not entirely sure if they are Dutch or German stats.
 
SolidusDave said:
What? Am I'm misunderstanding this or is that an official quote that says that 40% of all North-Africans (refugees and illegals I guess?) commit a crime within the first year?! That can't be right, surely if an entire half of any demographic consists of criminals it would be a huge debate already?
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That's what the study says, yes.

More about the 19 who are identified:

9 of them are in Germany illegally
10 are asylum seekers, 9 of those registered here after september 2015
14 are from north Africa
only 1 is from Syria
 
Tacitus_ said:
which google says means


So yeah...
Though I'm not entirely sure if they are Dutch or German stats.
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wow
Found also a reputable German source:

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/just...afrika-bereiten-polizei-sorgen-a-1071674.html


The study was started in 2014 and covers all legal refugees and their crimes committed in the Düsseldorf area. Last year politicians said that refugees do not commit more or less crimes than the German demographic. This was of course done to weaken the far right that started to gain influence with the fears against criminal foreigners. However, the study for that comment included only the top 10 countries of origin (Syrians, Afghanistan, several African countries etc.).

Therefore all the North-African countries were not counted even though the people from there have this ridiculous high crime rate according to this internal police study (and that's w/o the illegal immigrants I think). The article also goes into the frustration of the police as they can usually only give them short sentences in quick trials as they have to fixed home. Fingerprints are only taken from refugees after 6 months and most of all their countries of origin refuse to take them back even if the sentences are high enough to cancel their asylum request (not to mention that almost all of them will get it denied anyhow as they are not from warzones ; unless they manage to steel the proper papers).
Gangs of that region are also recruiting and operating. All together these guys can basically do as they please with the police/state being a mere annoyance to them.

That is simply not tolerable. It can't be that nearly every second guy from a specific demographic you meet in a city is a criminal, without fail.
 
http://journalisten.no/2016/01/overgrep-mot-unge-jenter-taust-i-dagens-nyheter

One of Swedens major newspapers is about to go up in flames.

They (Dagens Nyheter or DN) had information about a large number of assaults like the ones in Köln (in "style", not scope) taking place during a festival in Stockholm this past summer where girls as young as 13 were surrounded and molested. Nearly 200 people were escorted off the premise due to sexual harassment(unclear...), but DN decided against publishing any articles about it.

A week or two ago a small right-wing anti-immigrant newspaper releases an article, claiming that DN has knowingly been covering the event up.

A few days later, DN publishes a front page article claiming that "Police covers up assault during festival this past summer to protect immigrants!". They admit that they heard some rumors, but only had a single, unreliable source and that they were unable to verify it with the police. Turns out that last part is a lie.

A few hours ago the Norwegian newspaper journalisten.no publishes an article where they have spoken to several (two?) sources, including a psychologist who was called in to have talks with the many victims and a police officer who was at the scene at the time. The sources claim to have tried to get in touch with DN this past summer, trying to give them information about the assaults, but were ignored.

Summary
Major Swedish newspaper covers up assault of girls as young as 13 during summer festival in Stockholm. When found out they publish a "scoop", claiming that they've found out that the police were covering the event up. Esteemed Norwegian journalist-paper claims DN (and maybe several of the major Swedish media outlets) knew about it all along.
What about the weather? Looks like a shit storm is brewing over Sweden. Over to you, Gaf.
 
More Fun To Compute said:
Disgusting piece in the Telegraph by a woman who is a fetishist about the idea that some people treat women worse than others.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...be-whores.html

It's a good job that the world experts in racism and religious intolerance at the young turks are quick to point out that the woman would have experienced much worse if she was standing outside the white house in Washington.
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Just to be sure; you are being sarcastic, right?
It's become hard to tell nowadays.

ForgottenProdigy said:
Why won't the feminists who completely shat on that guy who wore a tasteless shirt while he landed a rocket complain about this? I barely see any outrage, or maybe I'm not on the correct news sources.
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...Yeah. Maybe you aren't. There has been plenty of outrage.
 
This bullshit PC attitute will be the reason the right wing coming into Europe. I meannfor fucks sake people, how can you be so stupid and blind.
 
What's the mood like in Germany. Can German GAF give me an update on this situation? I heard Merkel has finally seen sense and is toughening the asylum laws.
 
justjohn said:
What's the mood like in Germany. Can German GAF give me an update on this situation? I heard Merkel has finally seen sense and is toughening the asylum laws.
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Its not just Merkel toughening it. Yesterday they announced that, if you are convicted for 1 year (after a court-case), you will be deported even if you are on probation (in germany you can be convicted for up to 2 years on probation, which means you do not need to go to jail).

Before you could only be deported if you were convicted for a crime for 3 years and if you are on probation, you could not be deported.

It still is shitty, because it takes time till you even get an appointment at the court (depending on the city).
 
fizzelopeguss said:
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http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-an...eryday-sexist-behaviours-20151001-gjzba0.html

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-an...ologne-attacks-is-racist-20160107-gm1ayd.html
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This woman is basically making excuses for mass sexual abuse. If that happened by a bunch of local white dudes there'd be protests in the street and outrage every where and with completely valid reason. But since it's immigrants then if you get upset over it you're racist? She also finds a way to turn it around to "But why not get angry at white men?". Talk about a strawman argument. Disgusting. I'd call myself a feminists, a left-wing, and for helping immigrants but that article is stupid.
 
Narrative clash! Quick, choose between being labelled a sexist or a racist!

In the end it's okay to abandon your principles so long as you don't say anything mean about immigrants.
 
Chairmanchuck said:
Its not just Merkel toughening it. Yesterday they announced that, if you are convicted for 1 year (after a court-case), you will be deported even if you are on probation (in germany you can be convicted for up to 2 years on probation, which means you do not need to go to jail).

Before you could only be deported if you were convicted for a crime for 3 years and if you are on probation, you could not be deported.

It still is shitty, because it takes time till you even get an appointment at the court (depending on the city).
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They can toughen up the laws all they want if the home-countries refuse to take them back.
Most of it is just meant to appease the angry nation.
 
quackamole said:
Buy none will admit to it.
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The silence in a way, is beautiful. But when they do speak, they ramble about anything and everything aside from the obvious issue. The lady up above on twitter and the young turks video are examples. Plus the sweet hypocrisy in their points is as clear as day.
 
dave is ok said:
All the people claiming this was only 50 people hidden in the crowd of 1,000 are eating some crow.
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Well, that was the reported situation back then right? What should people do, disregard the current reports and jump to conclusions?

As the number of filed charges have increased how incredibly the officials and the police fucked the situation up. The least they can do now is try to catch the perpetrators and deal with them according to law. And increase safety measures in places with bigger crowds of people.
 
waveuponwave said:
That's really the heart of it. A lot of people on the right who've been crying about those evil feminists are suddenly jumping on the anti-sexism bandwagon, and the left is right in pointing out the hypocrisy.
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Right wing parties aren't concerned about sexual violence and rape? What nonsense is that? That's absolutely not the case in Europe.

If anything many modern day feminists in Europe are hypocrites for lambasting Christianity and male chauvinism/sexism while at the same time applauding "feminist Muslim women" who choose to wear headscarves even though that's a symbol for female subservience to patriarchal men who think women without them are sinful and lead them into temptation.
 
Jasup said:
Well, that was the reported situation back then right? What should people do, disregard the current reports and jump to conclusions?
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It certainly felt like people were downplaying the issue, while it was not at all strange to think this was more then just a few among a crowd of thousands. There was already talk at the start about clothes being torn of, women being touched hundreds of times, people crying in the streets and some trying to shield their partner from the worst, while police was doing little due to the crowd hiding this and trying to keep the police away. That couldn't have been just a few individuals like some in the thread suggested. I actually hoped that to be true, but more and more reports kept coming showing otherwise. 700+ victims is just on a whole different level.

But priority should now be on catching the attackers and making sure this never happens again - both on this scale and smaller incidents - instead of who was right or not. I just hope police and politicians took notice and make good steps towards a solution, some of which are already in the making judging from the harsher rules. But they still only arrested 13 people, so I wonder if many will be caught over the next weeks.
 
waveuponwave said:
That's really the heart of it. A lot of people on the right who've been crying about those evil feminists are suddenly jumping on the anti-sexism bandwagon, and the left is right in pointing out the hypocrisy.
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As a bigoted, racist, fascist (all words i have heard during the last 6 months, here and in other places) right winger i hereby say that anyone who claims to be right wing, conservative, nationalist or whatever else and hurts women, be it by physical violence, sexual assault or by diminishing the role of women in society deserves nothing else but a punch in their fucking face.
Women are sacred and meant to be protected or at least feel safe when alone or between people. Even if it takes force i wouldn't ever allow anything to happen to my fiancee.
End of story.
and i'm still on the evil feminist bandwagon. There, you can burn me on a stake now.
 
kruis said:
Right wing parties aren't concerned about sexual violence and rape? What nonsense is that? That's absolutely not the case in Europe.

If anything many modern day feminists in Europe are hypocrites for lambasting Christianity and male chauvinism/sexism while at the same time applauding "feminist Muslim women" who choose to wear headscarves even though that's a symbol for female subservience to patriarchal men who think women without them are sinful and lead them into temptation.
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They don't give a shit what you or anyone thinks, you've pointed out right there. Its a choice, and in many ways a symbol of defiance against an array of Islamaphobic beliefs or attempts by non Muslims to police what they want to wear. Doesn't seem hypocritical supporting females owning themselves.
 
Jumeira said:
They don't give a shit what you or anyone thinks, you've pointed out right there. Its a choice, and in many ways a symbol of defiance against an array of Islamaphobic beliefs or attempts by non Muslims to police what they want to wear. Doesn't seem hypocritical supporting females owning themselves.
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It is hypocritical when decades earlier feminists were fighting against patriarchal Christianity and now they're ignoring the plight of muslim women. Well, not all feminists. I bet an old school feminist like Alice Schwarzer wouldn't, but there are others like the Dutch feminist Anja Meulenbelt ...I find that turnaround despicable. In particular from old school feminist who were fighting for equal rights for women, who established safe houses for women fleeing abusive husbands. Even in the 70ies/80ies it was known that most women seeking shelter were immigrants (guest workers). And then thirty years later, when not a single thing has changed, they turn a blind eye because raising a protest would be "gefundenes Fressen" for right wing parties and you can't have that of course.
 
And this is why these guys will never learn. No proof. Police can't do anything.

Coming from Spiegel (http://www.spiegel.tv/filme/rekonstruktion-der-silvesternacht-koeln/), but I'm reading the news at Dutch NOS (http://nos.nl/artikel/2080530-ik-was-niet-in-keulen-maar-in-bonn.html).

Guy from Morocco was arrested. He had footage of the assaults on his phone according to police and is supposedly one of the guys who had a note on him with translations like "big breasts" and "I'll kill you." Dude just denies this. Says he wasn't in Cologne. Can't explain how the footage ended up on his phone - must be magic.

Another dude - also from Morocco - has a phone on him that was stolen that night there. Says he bought it from someone else at the refugee center. No proof, nothing to do.

Unless they get clear camera footage from the station (and I'm guessing that isn't around that much since otherwise we would have heard more about that) everybody will just deny and our justice system can't handle these cases due to lack of proof. I really hope these guys don't all walk free, but I have little faith in it.
 
Musician said:
http://journalisten.no/2016/01/overgrep-mot-unge-jenter-taust-i-dagens-nyheter

One of Swedens major newspapers is about to go up in flames.

They (Dagens Nyheter or DN) had information about a large number of assaults like the ones in Köln (in "style", not scope) taking place during a festival in Stockholm this past summer where girls as young as 13 were surrounded and molested. Nearly 200 people were escorted off the premise due to sexual harassment(unclear...), but DN decided against publishing any articles about it.

A week or two ago a small right-wing anti-immigrant newspaper releases an article, claiming that DN has knowingly been covering the event up.

A few days later, DN publishes a front page article claiming that "Police covers up assault during festival this past summer to protect immigrants!". They admit that they heard some rumors, but only had a single, unreliable source and that they were unable to verify it with the police. Turns out that last part is a lie.

A few hours ago the Norwegian newspaper journalisten.no publishes an article where they have spoken to several (two?) sources, including a psychologist who was called in to have talks with the many victims and a police officer who was at the scene at the time. The sources claim to have tried to get in touch with DN this past summer, trying to give them information about the assaults, but were ignored.

Summary
Major Swedish newspaper covers up assault of girls as young as 13 during summer festival in Stockholm. When found out they publish a "scoop", claiming that they've found out that the police were covering the event up. Esteemed Norwegian journalist-paper claims DN (and maybe several of the major Swedish media outlets) knew about it all along.
What about the weather? Looks like a shit storm is brewing over Sweden. Over to you, Gaf.
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DN played it very smart just when shit hit the fan. They kept silent for most of Sunday, then released a few small statements in the evening. On Monday morning they, through our local version of Reuters/AP, trumpeted DN REVEALS POLICE COVERUP. This is now the narrative. The media knew nothing, it's those damn police-officers. I mean, it's not like it's a newspapers job to ask further questions from a government official, right?

Anyway, the narrative has already been hammered home. It was the police who was at fault, not the media. Never the media. And even if they created the climate where the police are afraid to profile suspects, it's not their fault.
 
CoolOff said:
DN played it very smart just when shit hit the fan. They kept silent for most of Sunday, then released a few small statements in the evening. On Monday morning they, through our local version of Reuters/AP, trumpeted DN REVEALS POLICE COVERUP. This is now the narrative. The media knew nothing, it's those damn police-officers. I mean, it's not like it's a newspapers job to ask further questions from a government official, right?

Anyway, the narrative has already been hammered home. It was the police who was at fault, not the media. Never the media. And even if they created the climate where the police are afraid to profile suspects, it's not their fault.
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How is scandal playing out in Sweden right now? Is it a big issue or will it die down?
 
ClosingADoor said:
Guy from Morocco was arrested. He had footage of the assaults on his phone according to police and is supposedly one of the guys who had a note on him with translations like "big breasts" and "I'll kill you." Dude just denies this. Says he wasn't in Cologne. Can't explain how the footage ended up on his phone - must be magic.
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Just as a side note, there never was a sentence on that note that read "I'll kill you." It said "Ich ficke Sie töten", which is a literal translation from Arabic meaning "I'll fuck your brains out" but doesn't make any sense in German. Yes, "kill" is part of it, but you can only read "I'll kill you" if you ignore everything else in that sentence. Which just shows that often, false reporting in the media is just pure incompetence, not a conspiracy.
 
FURY was growing in Germany tonight over mounting evidence of a cover-up of migrant sex crimes after it emerged a welcome party for refugees held two months before the Cologne rapes descended into a mass groping session.
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North Rhine-Westphalia region police spokesman Robert Scholten said: "The music had to be constantly stopped so that the message could be given out in Arabic to stop men harassing female guests.

"We could have been called at this point but nobody alerted us to the problem."

But the council official responsible for integration matters, Coletta Manemann, who helped organise the 'Refugees Welcome' event, did not report the incidents and has now been accused of a cover-up attempt.

Admitting that she knew about the incident "shortly before Christmas" after talking to students who had been assigned to helping the refugees, she said: "I can't remember any more if I told them that they needed to go to the police or not."

Amazingly she said she later concluded that "the student organisers had learned from the situation" and felt there was no need to make a fuss.
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...nt-sex-cover-up-refugee-event-groping-Germany

more craziness
 
Dennis said:
How is scandal playing out in Sweden right now? Is it a big issue or will it die down?
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Heads will roll within the police most likely, but it is being positioned as "men are the problem, don't hi-jack this for your racist agenda". We also have a major union scandal unraveling, which is stealing headlines.
 
neorej said:
What is there to be learned for the students?
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To stay at least an arm-length away from migrants.


Today the police in Amsterdam released a statement that in their region 75% of all rapes and 70% of all sexual assaults are committed by immigrants (Mostly from Morocco, Turkey, Dutch Antilles) These statistics have remained stable since 1994, while this group only makes up 22% of the Amsterdam population.
They also claim that public victims are almost exclusively native or from Suriname, and that Muslim women are left alone.

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Interesting. Do you have a link to this?
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Sure, here.

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Misread it. People just linked to an 1996 article today. So unknown what the statistics are the last few decades.
 
YourMaster said:
To stay at least an arm-length away from migrants.


Today the police in Amsterdam released a statement that in their region 75% of all rapes and 70% of all sexual assaults are committed by immigrants (Mostly from Morocco, Turkey, Dutch Antilles) These statistics have remained stable since 1994, while this group only makes up 22% of the Amsterdam population.
They also claim that public victims are almost exclusively native or from Suriname, and that Muslim women are left alone.
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Jesus, looks like the closet is so full of skeletons it's like a damn necropolis. Can't stop the snowball now.
 
Irminsul said:
Just as a side note, there never was a sentence on that note that read "I'll kill you." It said "Ich ficke Sie töten", which is a literal translation from Arabic meaning "I'll fuck your brains out" but doesn't make any sense in German. Yes, "kill" is part of it, but you can only read "I'll kill you" if you ignore everything else in that sentence. Which just shows that often, false reporting in the media is just pure incompetence, not a conspiracy.
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That doesn't sound that much better honestly. I guess at least it isn't a threat, but still not something that you say to a stranger.

And here we go... German pool doesn't let male refugees in anymore after complaints about harassment and one attack http://www.general-anzeiger-bonn.de...ennliche-Fluechtlinge-aus-article1802758.html (German source)

Small town of Rheinberg cancels carnaval because they don't have the means to comply with new safety measures and have a refugee center nearby http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/25009087/__Geen_carnaval_uit_angst_na_Keulen__.html (Dutch source)

Four girls sexually assaulted by refugees in Dutch city - two filed charges. Parents went to the media because they fear a cover up. Say police discouraged a 17 year old victim from filing charges, because she is a minor and it would be too difficult. A man grabbed girls from behind and others touched them. http://www.nrc.nl/next/2016/01/15/klacht-over-doofpot-na-aanrandingen-almere-1580590

Amazing, Dutch government doesn't register how many refugees are denied because they committed a crime. So they don't even know how large the problem will be http://www.bnr.nl/nieuws/292289-1601/dijkhoff-geen-regie-over-aanpak-criminele-asielzoekers
 
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