Tomi
Member
It will be second best ( just under Helldivers 2 ) for less than a hour, this will probably hit over 80k peak tomorow
Crazy numbers for 4 year old game, Sony is again on killing streak, money all around
Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut debuts with 74k+ concurrent users on Steam making it the 2nd biggest Sony PC published game launch on the platform
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Crazy numbers for 4 year old game, Sony is again on killing streak, money all around
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I think new games tend to peak on Saturday afternoon when a lot of people in North America are off school and work and people in Europe are as well since it's the evening/night
Tomi
Member
Hmm i thought peak is always Sunday
We will see...
ARK1391
Member
Yeah because if there is one thing PC players love, it's dedicated stores for publishers. That will go over real well.
genesisblock
Member
Just bought it. Felt guilty riding the PS+ subscription to finish this game in the PS5 but it absolutely deserves support. It's slick and incredibly good looking in an ultrawide screen.
Denton
Member
I wonder if Sony could sell steam keys on PSN and collect 100% there while not pissing off PC players.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
That makes no sense
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Explains why those numbers look like sales from a small country
Topher
Identifies as young
72k now. Ability to play with friends is the difference here I think.
Firestartah
Banned
The peak hours for this game are kinda weird, it started going down and it's super early still, like 7pm in UK. I wonder if a lot of japanese pc gamers are going to sleep now and that it is. Most other games usually peak in 2-3h from now.
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Denton
Member
How come? Publishers can generate steam keys and sell them outside of steam.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
We would've had multiple threads and Internet buzz if it was bad.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Publishers only get 5k keys to sell, but even then it doesn't necessarily mean they are commission free.
Denton
Member
They get 5K by default automatically, but can request more and I assume this request is granted when it comes from legit publishers (the rule to limit automatic generation was done to combat scammers). After all Sony already sells steam keys for their games on stores like GMG, Humble and many others. It is extremely unlikely there were only 5K of these.
And as far as I know, these keys are commission free and always have been. Valve only takes a cut (20-30%) on games sold directly on Steam store.
Topher
Identifies as young
I mean......obviously Valve is not going to allow unlimited key generation in which they don't get a cut. We don't know the details as far as how all this works, but I'm betting if Sony and other publishers could just bypass Valve's cut then they would, but they can't.
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Jaybe
Member
You are right; first Sundays are the peak for most games that are primarily single player.
drotahorror
Member
Really want to get it even though I have the PS5 version (only beat first island or w/e).
The hype is real with Shogun Tv series and ubi's blunders. Plus it's just a really great game.
The hype is real with Shogun Tv series and ubi's blunders. Plus it's just a really great game.
Celcius
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
It's all-time peak has now reached less than 1,000 below God of War's mark.
I think it'll surpass God of War tomorrow and become the 2nd biggest Sony launch on PC.
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Oppoi
Banned
Congratulations to Hiroki and the team!
Topher
Identifies as young
Impressive showing. Here are PlayStation games ranked by peak players.....
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Not that it matters in this specific instance, but that list is missing Spider-Man Remastered and several other SIE games that were ported to PC. Use the one in my OP instead since it lists everything SIE published on PC.Impressive showing. Here are PlayStation games ranked by peak players.....
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freefornow
Member
Has there ever been any info around the sort of budget/cost is involved in porting these games games to PC? Nixxes would have spent how many hours/ team size on this.
Curious if these titles are making cost back/profit?
Curious if these titles are making cost back/profit?
Topher
Identifies as young
Not that it matters in this specific instance, but that list is missing Spider-Man Remastered and several other SIE games that were ported to PC. Use the one in my OP instead since it lists everything SIE published on PC.
Ah.....didn't notice. Thanks.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
No worries. I think PlayStation has multiple publisher entries in SteamDB or something, it's a bit weird.
Gonna update the OP and maybe tomorrow I'll ask the mods to change the title once it breaks the GoW CCU.
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STARSBarry
Gold Member
Impressive showing. Here are PlayStation games ranked by peak players.....
Other thing to note is that God Of War was not restricted for sale in specific regions, however just like the recent change to Helldivers, Ghost of Tsushima is. I think that it could of taken over God Of War's peak if this was not the case.
Other issue is that the port while... Compotant has some major issues with the Legends mode, you cant really play it outside of the 2 player story missions as it crashes to desktop 90% of the time when trying to play survival with match making. Creating a full party prior and launching is the only way to prevent this, not ideal.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Damn. That sucks. Sony needs to figure this shit out.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
The worst thing is there's not really anyway to feed this back to the devs, unlike Helldivers (and most other games) there is no "technical issues" steam subforum to report these issues that would be monitored.
There are also multiple issues with singleplayer but these are minor compared to how restrictive the multiplayer issues are. However they do not have the normal route PC players are used to, so you just have to put them in general and hope they somehow stay on the first 10 pages before dropping off on general (which is why having a forum for bugs and issues that developers can easily check without sifting out every other general topic is good)
So honestly im not hopeful on these being quickly fixed.
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Denton
Member
And yet, that is exactly how it has worked for decades, and until I see evidence to contrary, probably how it still works. Valve did the math and knows that most people are still always going to be buying directly on Steam, and providing Steam keys funnels people to Steam, so Valve still benefits.
In DF interview with guys who ported God of War, they said majority of work was done by 4 (yes, four) people on that port (and it was brilliant port).
My estimate would be that each port costs no more than 4 million USD, but probably less. These ports are hugely profitable for Sony.
I expect if they ported (well) Bloodborne and avoided PSN nonsense and stupid controversies, they could net 100 million USD on that alone.
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Topher
Identifies as young
That guess is as good as any, I suppose. My guess is that Steam still gets their cut no matter what. But.....who knows?
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
It should be #1. But still pretty good I guess.
Denton
Member
Again, Steam only gets a cut from games sold on steam store itself. This is not a matter of guessing, it is a fact:
Valve's new stance on Steam keys: what to know?
Also: a look at the top game legal trends of 2023 & lots more...
newsletter.gamediscover.co
And look, Sony is actually selling their games via Steam keys on its own site and getting 100%, but I guess few people know about that
Buy HELLDIVERS™ 2 - PC Digital Game | PlayStation® (US)
Join the Helldivers and fight for freedom with friends across a hostile galaxy in this fast, frantic third-person shooter.
direct.playstation.com
Buy Horizon Forbidden West™ Complete Edition - PC | PlayStation® (US)
The epic Horizon Forbidden West in its entirety, including bonus content and the Burning Shores expansion.
direct.playstation.com
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The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Impressive showing. Here are PlayStation games ranked by peak players.....
Man, Returnal really did flop on PC huh? Wonder why. Rogue-likes/lites are huge on steam usually.
Denton
Member
I think most roguelikes are not AAA and are much cheaper, maybe people have different expectation for this genre. And maybe people are not interested in the protagonist?
Personally, I am waiting for it to be in humble or some very deep sale, because I think there is very high chance I will not enjoy its roguelike nature.
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Tomi
Member
Tsushima will beat gow peak today 100%Not that it matters in this specific instance, but that list is missing Spider-Man Remastered and several other SIE games that were ported to PC. Use the one in my OP instead since it lists everything SIE published on PC.
This is crazy how Sony can put 4 year old game on pc and get so many players, this is really huge!
I think Tsushima will sell over million in a first year for sure
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The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
I took a leap of faith on it based on some praises around here that seemed genuine and as someone who dislikes the genre Returnal and Hades are the exception. I really liked its atmosphere, soundtrack, and combat.
yurinka
Member
The initial performance of GoT is above Spider-Man or Horizon and super close to GoW, games that sold more than 2.5M-3.5M million copies on PC until now (they will continue selling with discounts and price cuts).
I''d say it will sell more than 2M and probably more than 3M too.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Again, Steam only gets a cut from games sold on steam store itself. This is not a matter of guessing, it is a fact:
Valve's new stance on Steam keys: what to know?
Also: a look at the top game legal trends of 2023 & lots more...
And look, Sony is actually selling their games via Steam keys on its own site and getting 100%, but I guess few people know about that
Buy HELLDIVERS™ 2 - PC Digital Game | PlayStation® (US)
Join the Helldivers and fight for freedom with friends across a hostile galaxy in this fast, frantic third-person shooter.Buy Horizon Forbidden West™ Complete Edition - PC | PlayStation® (US)
The epic Horizon Forbidden West in its entirety, including bonus content and the Burning Shores expansion.
Fair enough. I wonder what Valve gets out of this. Pretty generous just to allow publishers to bypass Steam commission like that. Also, what I don't understand is that it stresses that Steam customers must get the same deal as the keys sold elsewhere, but we know that it is common for this to not be the case. I bought GoT on Fanatatical for $10 less than what it was being sold for on Steam. Maybe Valve isn't monitoring very closely? Not sure.
Edit: Looking at the Steamworks page, it seems Valve will typically approve additional steam keys as long as the publisher isn't trying to entirely bypass the Steam system. So I think you were right when you said this was being used to drive folks to Steam. Valve is going to allow free keys for publishers as long as there isn't a major "imbalance" in the number requested versus the sales of the game on Steam.
"When reviewing Steam Key requests, some of the things we typically look at include the level of customer interest on Steam, the total number of keys that have been issued and activated for the game and the additional number that are being requested. A request will usually be rejected if there's an imbalance that suggests the developer is not making an offer to Steam customers that is comparable to what Steam Key purchasers are offered. For instance, a game with a few hundred units of lifetime sales requesting tens of thousands of keys, or more."
Steam Keys (Steamworks Documentation)
Clearly my "guess" was entirely wrong.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
My guess is that the key sellers take a lower cut than steam.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, more than likely. So I'm looking at the Helldivers 2 review page. It allows you to filter reviews purchased in Steam and outside of Steam. It shows 225k reviews from people who bought the game outside of Steam. So Valve got $0 from all those sales? That is mind-boggling.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I don't know the ins and outs of the process, but Steam learned a long time ago that the best way to corner the PC market is to not try and corner it.
Topher
Identifies as young
Thought this was funny. Apparently this whole thing was brought up to Tim Sweeney who was also unaware....
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
Less than 500 players until it tops God of War.
Edit: Just passed it. Much ado about nothing here with the region stuff it seems.
Edit: Just passed it. Much ado about nothing here with the region stuff it seems.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
With 73,546 concurrent players, Ghost of Tsushima has now surpassed God of War as Sony's 2nd biggest PC published game:
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Thanks, I've updated the OP with new screenshots. Gonna also ask for a mod to update the thread title.
