Jesb
Member
I'm not talking about it eventually disappearing but just the product going to shit.
Steam hits 40m concurrent users.
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Mortisfacio
Member
My concern is Gabe getting old and no longer running the company. Steam is doing well for many reasons, but PC gamers respect Valve and Gabe's pro-gamer history. What happens when he steps down willingly or simply by age? Who takes over? Do they have the same ideals? Does future leadership take Valve public? Valve being completely private allows for Valve to operate the way it does. I don't think it's as successful if it's a publicly traded company.
That's how I see Valve eventually becoming a bad company. It's in good hands until Gabe is out of the picture.
At least now you know your excel skills are on point. You got the exact same figure.
The problem is that you think everybody is "downplaying" due to your own fanboy sensibilities. You took a simple fact of me providing an explaination to Topher of what rofif meant regarding this stat and how the kid would be the more legit player CCU as "downplaying".
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
PCgamer quick estimate Steam's current MAU at 221.5m
www.pcgamer.com
Steam just cracked 40 million concurrent users for the first time, meaning Valve's user count was bigger than 80% of the countries in the United Nations
Just a milly behind Canada.
Parazels
Member
It happened once they released a console (Steam Deck). So their pc-minority hasn't grown at all (most likely shrinked)!
majestix1988
Member
its easy to clone account even games are now too much "griefers" or smurfing on gaming nowadays
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Has
RetroGamingUK
shared his slide showing pc in decline. He is a big fan of that one. 
Just playing retro
RetroGamingUK
shared his slide showing pc in decline. He is a big fan of that one. Just playing retro
SweetTooth
Gold Member
I'm getting "PS2 sold 160m due to being DVD player" vibes from this thread.
OT: Steam cracking 40m cu is a big achievement showing great growth in the platform.
OT: Steam cracking 40m cu is a big achievement showing great growth in the platform.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
It was estimated last year that Steam is reaching 200m MAU, which is pretty inline with PCgamer's estimate of 220m+ rn
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Senua
Member
Damn sweettooth with the truth bombs
Zathalus
Member
Steam Deck has sold ~4 million in total, with the vast majority being already PC users. So it certainly isn't that. Most (but not all) of the growth is because of China.
Gorgon
Member
The problem is knowing what percentage of Steamdeck buyers were already PC/Steam users to begin with. If most were, then they are loging in with their existing Steam accounts and thus the Steamdeck wouldn't explain Steam growth. I'd venture to say that most were Steam users already, but unless we have actual hard numbers impossible to answer.
Edit: beaten.
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MarV0
Member
Who cares? I hadn't opened Steam in over a week until I saw the record yesterday. PC gaming was fine before Steam and will be fine without it.
Contrary to what jelly plastic box fanboys believe there is a world of PC gaming outside of Steam and most PC gamers hate programs running on the background, hardly anybody auto starts Steam.
Senua
Member
Simply untrue bro
MarV0
Member
Maybe because me and my friends are older PC gamers , unnecessary background programs are always a big NO.
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
moving to PC was the best decision I made.
i do have a PS5 but it'll be getting tossed out after GTA VI. I'll buy a Switch because it actually has exclusives that interest me. The few on PS i'll just get on PC whenever they turn up and if they don't then I don't care.
i do have a PS5 but it'll be getting tossed out after GTA VI. I'll buy a Switch because it actually has exclusives that interest me. The few on PS i'll just get on PC whenever they turn up and if they don't then I don't care.
Topher
Identifies as young
I think you are in the minority. Steam is hardly an unnecessary program running for most PC gamers
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DaciaJC
Gold Member
That's certainly true, but I imagine for most core PC gamers, Steam isn't considered "unnecessary."
Cyberpunkd
Member
You understand leadership won't be able to do shit without the owners' approval, correct?
MarV0
Member
What purpose does the Steam app serve when I'm playing a game outside of Steam? Which is something that I do very often.
Everything social happens on Discord.
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ResilientBanana
Member
As opposed to a bunch of kids with Xboxs and Playstations? I don't understand the gripe here. Also their MAU is over 200 million. But 40 million have logged in at the same time.
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Mortisfacio
Member
Yes, you removed my entire post explaining this. Gabe is the majority shareholder currently. What happens in the future once he moves on/passes away?
Topher
Identifies as young
PCgamer quick estimate Steam's current MAU at 221.5m
Steam just cracked 40 million concurrent users for the first time, meaning Valve's user count was bigger than 80% of the countries in the United Nations
Just a milly behind Canada.
That is not correct. 27.4:132 would mean 40:192.7
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Steam Deck still helps the ccu numbers though, even if it's an existing Steam account.
I can make time to fire up my steam deck a lot more often than I can be on my PC.
So my PC Steam account isn't active often, but my Steam Deck user is.
I can make time to fire up my steam deck a lot more often than I can be on my PC.
So my PC Steam account isn't active often, but my Steam Deck user is.
Sorcerer
Member
Is Gabe still actively involved with Valve? I mean he owns the company of course, but has he essentially just become a spokesman for major events such as a hardware launch?
I get the feeling he is practically retired and left the running of the company to others at this point.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Pretty sure he is still active in the company
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Who's this?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
it's just an absolutely meaningless number.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
it's me.
Your gay friend just likes me a lot
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Why would he post a picture of a member?
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Uhh how? They have doubled this number in 5 years.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I have no idea. I posted it in one of my joke threads before I realized my mistake
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
We explained. There are too many unknonwns.
Bot accounts, single use accounts, non active users (yes, grandmas with steam) etc etc.
There is a better number which is CCU. with new games, there is nothing to cheat about this number,
When wilds report as 1,4mill ccu it's true. Game is new and expensive. No bots farming it for cards, no troll accounts. Not a banana game situation.
but 40mill is not saying you much. It's notthing like "40mil sold consoles". It's just pcs running steam on startup and bots
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
It's not meaningless because you say so. The growth is incredible.
Here is a ps4 bot farm mining Fifa cards. Does this make ps4 sales meaningless?
Mortisfacio
Member
It's not meaningless because you say so. The growth is incredible.
Here is a ps4 bot farm mining Fifa cards. Does this make ps4 sales meaningless?
Per the plastic box warriors, yes. Also everyone using their plastic box to watch Netflix doesn't count either, because they're not gaming.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
And multiply that by huge amount for steam trading cards, bots account and so on so on.
It's not meaningless because you say so. The growth is incredible.
Here is a ps4 bot farm mining Fifa cards. Does this make ps4 sales meaningless?
The sentence - sony soly 100mil ps4s and sony has 5mil ccu ps4 is completely different.
If you are a developer and you hear "wow 40mil steam accounts" let's make a game for steam.
Meanwhile, the customers count is closer to 10-15mil in reality and 40mil is just an inflated number.
Again. I don't understand why this is taken as an attack of console warriors. Console number are way higher. I have nothing to attack people about.
I am just saying that these numbers are misguided and make no sense without knowing more about it
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
What makes no sense is you twisting yourself in a pretzel to try to downplay their success. Steam has a shitload of users and has rapidly grown in the last few years. Not really much debate to it. You are just pulling numbers out of your ass at this point.
10M customers in reality?
So you think more than 10% of their customers bought MHW and played it simultaneously? More than 20% for Wukong? It's this kind of disingenuous behavior that makes you look like a console warring troll.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I am not doing any of that. Read my postWhat makes no sense is you twisting yourself in a pretzel to try to downplay their success. Steam has a shitload of users and has rapidly grown in the last few years. Not really much debate to it. You are just pulling numbers out of your ass at this point.
10M customers in reality?
10% of people buying the game and playing it sounds just as stupid as that 40mil number
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
You literally just said that Steam has 10M real customers. You are pulling numbers out of thin air for no reason. If Steam had 10M real customers that would mean 10% of it's entire customer base was playing MHw simultaneously. The 40M number is real and not made up like yours.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I said this
both numbers are inflated by trading bots, fake accounts etc etc etc. We don't know how much and I wager the 40mil number is way off compared to ccu number
MarV0
Member
Sony's PSN MAU is pretty useless. Not only does it include PC gamers but it also includes people that logged into PSN through their phone, browser and even people that turned on their console and never played a game. It even includes PS5s updating on rest mode.
I used to have the PSN app on my phone to keep in touch with an old friend, hadn't owned a Playstation or played a Sony game (before Helldivers 2) in over 10 years but I was part of the PSN MAU that Sony proudly parades to their shareholders.
When Valve used to report MAU that was real number, people that played a game on Steam in the last 30 days.
You want to talk about fake, made up numbers for the shareholders? The PSN MAU is what you're looking for.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I've been virtually all a console gamer for 20+ years. But every console gamer should concede when PC has better visuals and even better - tons of game settings and mods that give flexibility.
Back in the day was hilarious seeing console gamers claiming their 720p/barely 30 fps games were the best looking games in the industry. Then you ask them if they even have a good PC rig.... nope. lol. The time when a game on console running more than 30 fps was like hitting the lottery. OMG, COD runs at 60 fps...... at 640p.
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Jigsaah
Gold Member
I used to be one of them as recent as the lead up to this generation so 2018-2019. I remember posting something along the lines of, if XSX and PS5 can do 4k 60fps on their games...what more do you need? At the time I was on a 1070ti and an i5 processor. Boy was I wrong.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
It's not meaningless because you say so. The growth is incredible.
Here is a ps4 bot farm mining Fifa cards. Does this make ps4 sales meaningless?
I didn't know this was a thing
Topher
Identifies as young
Sony's PSN MAU is pretty useless. Not only does it include PC gamers but it also includes people that logged into PSN through their phone, browser and even people that turned on their console and never played a game. It even includes PS5s updating on rest mode.
I used to have the PSN app on my phone to keep in touch with an old friend, hadn't owned a Playstation or played a Sony game (before Helldivers 2) in over 10 years but I was part of the PSN MAU that Sony proudly parades to their shareholders.
When Valve used to report MAU that was real number, people that played a game on Steam in the last 30 days.
You want to talk about fake, made up numbers for the shareholders? The PSN MAU is what you're looking for.
How would we know this? I haven't seen where any company has provided its criteria for it considers an "active user" to be.