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[daveo42]

That's pretty much where I'm at ever since they announced the Scorpio. Anything lower then that and it's going to be a surprise.

I was actually expecting $449 to more closely compete with the Pro at launch. $499 isn't a bad price either, but Sony still comes out ahead with a cheaper console by $100, if not more if Sony swings for a price drop this fall.

Sony could announce a price drop tomorrow if they wanted to, even a slight one. That would control the narrative.

I'd expect a price drop in September if Sony were to do one this year.

 

[Joeku]

Sony could announce a price drop tomorrow if they wanted to, even a slight one. That would control the narrative.

 

[Meneses]

I think anything higher then 399 is suicide and feel like most of the "its gonna be expensive" talk from MS executives has been a smoke screen.


399 is the price they have to hit.
I see no reason they cant hit 399 with the hardware they have already announced.

I think its gonna be 399. Also 450 and 499 skus with better HDD's or bundled pro controllers or something tho.

399 is definitely the sweet spot if they wanna get a lot of people to buy it.

499 will depend on what they bundle it with.

 

[Incandenza]

Anthem and whatever else they show for Scorpio better be on some next-level shit visually if they want to justify that.

 

[BearPawB]

The high need console is such a losing proposition.

If that theory that it's just a sweet $500 windows 10 pc for your living room, $500 doesn't seem so bad

 

[Death Metalist]

I think anything higher then 399 is suicide and feel like most of the "its gonna be expensive" talk from MS executives has been a smoke screen.


399 is the price they have to hit.
I see no reason they cant hit 399 with the hardware they have already announced.

I think its gonna be 399. Also 450 and 499 skus with better HDD's or bundled pro controllers or something tho.

If the PS4 pro is 400$ how do you expect them to hit that exact price with all new tech inside the Scorpio?(Unless they sell on a loss which is also a strategy).

 

[hamchan]

Ouch @ $499

 

[Maiden Voyage]

The high need console is such a losing proposition.

If that theory that it's just a sweet $500 windows 10 pc for your living room, $500 doesn't seem so bad

Spot-on.

 

[funkystudent]

Just tossing it out there.


Hardware is 499.

But MS pushed the emergency button and makes online play no longer require gold?


As far as good buy moves. Free online one thing MS could do. They could phase out gold and the revenue they get from it with Gamepass.

If the PS4 pro is 400$ how do you expect them to hit that exact price with all new tech inside the Scorpio?(Unless they sell on a loss which is also a strategy).

The Pro was 399 last holiday. I assume its cheaper to make now.

Scorpio could be 399 this year with its better specs. Thats how hardware works.

 

[Salarians]

6tflops tho

 

[Twin Tails]

might as well go 599

 

[oti]

Either Geoff is preparing people or he's saying that so that people get a bigger reaction when the price is indeed lower than 499$

I have too much respect for Keighley to believe he'd do that.

 

[CambriaRising]

Just tossing it out there.


Hardware is 499.

But MS pushed the emergency button and makes online play no longer require gold?


As far as good buy moves. Free online one thing MS could do. They could phase out gold and the revenue they get from it with Gamepass.

Now we are just writing fan fiction.

 

[Death Metalist]

I have too much respect for Keighley to believe he'd do that.

I do too but who knows, maybe MS is playing him. This way in the end, they surprise everybody when it is lower than 499$.

 

[daveo42]

But MS pushed the emergency button and makes online play no longer require gold?

Free online would be insane, but MS isn't going to kill off a paid service to try and increase console ownership.

 

[border]

$399 or bust. After watching the Xbox One flounder at a $499 price tag, I don't see how on earth they could justify trying to get away with that again.

Geoff Keighley is making those tweets in the context of a poll he ran, where 40% of his followers voted $499. I don't know if he actually has any inside information, or he's just agreeing with the poll results to be cute.

 

[oti]

$399 or bust. After watching the Xbox One flounder at a $499 price tag, I don't see how on earth they could justify trying to get away with that again.

Maybe they just don't want to lose a ton of money on each unit sold?

 

[kingocfs]

https://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/my-first-e3-episode-1/1600-1989/

Thanks!

Ouch @ $499

Yeah. Still holding out for $399.

 

[Meneses]

I do too but who knows, maybe MS are playing him. This way in the end, they surprise everybody when it is lower than 499$.

Yeah, dude always seemed honest enough but you never know who is playing who.

 

[Dr. Feel Good]

I have too much respect for Keighley to believe he'd do that.

I am shocked people have any respect for the man at all.

 

[daveo42]

Maybe they just don't want to lose a ton of money on each unit sold?

At some point you either bite the bullet and take the loss to get more consoles out to people or you look to make up your losses next gen. Sony had to do it with the PS3 but it worked out okay for them in the end because they had the library to support it. The issue is that MS doesn't have the library to really support it either.

 

[SirClinksAlot]

If the PS4 pro is 400$ how do you expect them to hit that exact price with all new tech inside the Scorpio?(Unless they sell on a loss which is also a strategy).

I thought it would be $499 but with how well the PS4 is doing, with Switch coming on strong it seems like MS needs to do something to really push the Scorpio so selling it at a loss could be the way to get back into it. At $499 they had better have some amazing software to show.

 

[funkystudent]

I do too but who knows, maybe MS are playing him. This way in the end, they surprise everybody when it is lower than 499$.

I could see it.

I love Geoff but I dont trust him for shit, ya know?



I just feel "its gonna be premium" has just been a layup for "LOL NO its actually 399, how awesome are we?"

 

[alr1ght]

The money men at MS probably don't want to lose money selling a stopgap console that won't change their fortunes at all. It will sell to hardcore Xbone fans and nobody else.

Still, Keighley probably saw the conference rehearsal and they used $499 as a placeholder.

 

[DanLongman]

At 499USD it will put it closer to $700 in Canada.

 

[Death Metalist]

I am shocked people have any respect for the man at all.

He has done and is still doing alot for the video game industry. The video game awards is practically paid from his own pockets for 2-3 years now if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Infinite Justice]

Free online would be insane, but MS isn't going to kill off a paid service to try and increase console ownership.

Especially when that service is part of the metric they are now pushing i.e MAUs

 

[Jamie OD]

Just tossing it out there.


Hardware is 499.

But MS pushed the emergency button and makes online play no longer require gold?


As far as good buy moves. Free online one thing MS could do. They could phase out gold and the revenue they get from it with Gamepass.

Gamepass will never make up for the money lost from declining Xbox Live subscriptions. Plus why would they replace one with the other when they can have both and still get people to buy into it?

 

[hamchan]

I have too much respect for Keighley to believe he'd do that.

You know, I'm surprised Geoff is just revealing these Scorpio details hours before Microsoft's conference. It feels like it's mostly his job these days to facilitate these big reveals for companies. I guess if they're not paying him he's free to just say whatever he wants but also why bother?

Whatever anyways, it's also real dumb for anyone to worry about spoilers for large marketing press conferences as if it matters whether you find out something right now or a day later. But on the other hand I'm thinking that Geoff would sure be bummed if everyone spoiled all the reveals hours before his Game Awards airs.

Would be great if Microsoft is just playing him.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I just realized...

https://twitter.com/TheStormare/status/872725440355418112

He is in LA this year!

 

[Fantastapotamus]

If that thing is 499 they need to present it as an entirely new console, not an upgrade to the Xbox One. Wouldn't be shocked if they dropped the Xbox One name at this point tbh.
They also desperately need to show games to convince people why they should spend that much money.

I bet Crackdown will be the showpiece for that console, remember how it "needed" THE CLOUD to render the destruction etc?

 

[Death Metalist]

Just tossing it out there.


Hardware is 499.

But MS pushed the emergency button and makes online play no longer require gold?


As far as good buy moves. Free online one thing MS could do. They could phase out gold and the revenue they get from it with Gamepass.



The Pro was 399 last holiday. I assume its cheaper to make now.

Scorpio could be 399 this year with its better specs. Thats how hardware works.

Not with this kind of hardware + vapor-chamber cooling.

I just realized...

https://twitter.com/TheStormare/status/872725440355418112

He is in LA this year!

He's also wearing a PSVR in his avatar. PLS make it happen.

 

[TraBuch]

Peter Stormare has 7,000 followers?

 

[BTA]

Since so many of you are enamoured by Janina Gavankar it might be worth noting she's a GB fan. I remember being surprised/amused when I saw Vinny confusedly tweeting with a True Blood actress.

https://twitter.com/Janina/status/642800012238393344



https://twitter.com/Janina/status/587638449156521984

Ahahaha, that's great.

 

[kingocfs]

The money men at MS probably don't want to lose money selling a stopgap console that won't change their fortunes at all. It will sell to hardcore Xbone fans and nobody else.

Still, Keighley probably saw the conference rehearsal and they used $499 as a placeholder.

We still don't know enough about how this console will be spun, though. What is a stopgap console really? This could be the first of a new iteration strategy for them. Maybe they just call them all Xbox.

Plus, if any company is going to have the room to eat money to regain market share, MS is it.

But I agree that this smells of a controlled leak.

 

[patapuf]

I do too but who knows, maybe MS are playing him. This way in the end, they surprise everybody when it is lower than 499$.

It's the most common prediction though. I think if they go below that it's a surprise no matter what keighley says.

 

[rakkadakka]

I am shocked people have any respect for the man at all.

Oh come on.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

The high need console is such a losing proposition.

If that theory that it's just a sweet $500 windows 10 pc for your living room, $500 doesn't seem so bad

This is my take.

It also will not be a sweet spot of most of PCs and Consoles' strengths either though. Compromises and all that.

 

[oti]

At some point you either bite the bullet and take the loss to get more consoles out to people or you look to make up your losses next gen. Sony had to do it with the PS3 but it worked out okay for them in the end because they had the library to support it. The issue is that MS doesn't have the library to really support it either.

At some you have to decide what you want as a company:

1) Try to chase down the market leader and pay the price for it. If it works, great. If it doesn't, disaster.
2) A healthy business.

 

[The Technomancer]

The high need console is such a losing proposition.

If that theory that it's just a sweet $500 windows 10 pc for your living room, $500 doesn't seem so bad

I guess? But like, I built a $700 PC because I also use it for work related stuff. I don't think I would have done it if literally all it was for was gaming?

 

[Heroman]

Anthem and whatever else they show for Scorpio better be on some next-level shit visually if they want to justify that.

It can't be. It not that strong

 

[Infinite Justice]

Not sure if i can handle all the tinfoil hat stuff in here currently lol

as for price i say 499 or 449 but we'll see.

 

[Skatterd]

I think 499 would be a mistake and terrible optics but what do I know.

 

[Joeku]

We still don't know enough about how this console will be spun, though. What is a stopgap console really? This could be the first of a new iteration strategy for them. Maybe they just call them all Xbox.

Plus, if any company is going to have the room to eat money to regain market share, MS is it.

But I agree that this smells of a controlled leak.

After the early leaks when they announced Scorpio they called it "the end of console generations". This isn't stopgap, it's just an iteration on the Xbone base from here on out.

 

[LurkerPrime]

At 499USD it will put it closer to $700 in Canada.

Consumers see $700 and $799 as the same thing, so... yeah.

The Canadian exchange rate is killer.

 

[border]

Maybe they just don't want to lose a ton of money on each unit sold?

What indication is there that they'd lose a ton of money on each unit? All these people so certain of its price, but none of them are operating on anything more than a feeling of "It's powerful so it's got to be expensive". Has anyone actually done a Bill of Materials breakdown?

Microsoft designed this hardware after having seen Xbox One tank at $500. I have a hard time believing that someone within the company would see that and say "Hey, let's design some more hardware that we can't sell for less than half a grand."

 

[oti]

What indication is there that they'd lose a ton of money on each unit? All these people so certain of its price, but none of them are operating on anything more than a feeling of "It's powerful so it's got to be expensive". Has anyone actually done a Bill of Materials breakdown?

Microsoft designed this hardware after having seen Xbox One tank at $500. I have a hard time believing that someone within the company would see that and say "Hey, let's design some more hardware that we can't sell for less than half a grand."

It's not even out yet.

 

[Infinite Justice]

So it seems Geoff's credibility is basically now on the line here.

Good luck dude

 

[petethepanda]

Assuming they're going for the spec-hungry niche with Scorpio and they don't expect it to catch on with the mainstream as the new Xbox model to buy, $499 would probably be fine. I'd think the people interested in the Scorpio are likely the same crowd that would buy expensive launch consoles.

Edit: but yeah, still gotta have games to justify it for any crowd.

 

[SJurgenson]

How do they think $500 reasonable? Hell, how do they think new hardware is reasonable when they have no exclusive games to justifying buying any model of Xbox?