a secret-boss
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Eurogamer has it on #2 spot
Giant Bomb GOTY 2014 - Destiny Has Brought Us Here
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ProtoCents
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I'm sorry, but Brad sounded like a child trying to promote Destiny. How can he truly believe what he says?
Also - Jeff fucking hates Nintendo. My god.
Also - Jeff fucking hates Nintendo. My god.
Bayonetta 2 is on his personal GOTY list
ProtoCents
Banned
I guess I mean first party Nintendo games.
I'm super late to this so I doubt anyone will actually read this, but the most amazing part of the podcast was right before Brad's epic filibuster when Vinny suggested a Mario Kart - Jazzpunk - Destiny compromise. No one took him up on it right then, but it ended up happening in the end. The man is a prophet.
Also, I think one of the reasons Brad seemed a little more frustrated than usual was that of the 5 spots open on the list (Mordor, Bayo, South Park, CoD, FC4 being locks), the unofficial Patrick/Alex/Dan bloc had already gotten 4 (Mario Kart, Jazzpunk, Shovel Knight, and Hearthstone).
Also, I think one of the reasons Brad seemed a little more frustrated than usual was that of the 5 spots open on the list (Mordor, Bayo, South Park, CoD, FC4 being locks), the unofficial Patrick/Alex/Dan bloc had already gotten 4 (Mario Kart, Jazzpunk, Shovel Knight, and Hearthstone).
Hey_Blinkin
Member
I've been a huge fan of these guys for five years and have never missed a podcast since I started listening to them, but I barely made it through this year's GOTY discussions. I just did not enjoy the majority of it. Maybe it's just me but Jeff, Brad, and Alex just did not seem into it this year. I know they've openly talked about how they have considered this year in games to be a bummer, and I felt it really showed in these podcasts. It was really Vinny that kept me listening. I really miss his humor and hope we see him in more content this year.
Risible
Member
I didn't have much time lately and only just finished the podcasts. Fucking LOL at anyone being surprised at Brad shoehorning Destiny onto the list, I saw that shit coming months ago. Love rudds but I have to say the obligatory GoTY filibusters are getting tiring.
The biggest surprise for me was how they handled the news of Patrick leaving. I had heard the news here on GAF so it wasn't a surprise, but the perfunctory way in which it was announced seemed odd. It was like 'Welp, laters dude.". None of them seemed sad or spoke at any length. Just really weird.
The biggest surprise for me was how they handled the news of Patrick leaving. I had heard the news here on GAF so it wasn't a surprise, but the perfunctory way in which it was announced seemed odd. It was like 'Welp, laters dude.". None of them seemed sad or spoke at any length. Just really weird.
bender
What time is it?
He still loves WarioWare. Other than that, I think he's just worn out by Nintendo's mainstays which mirrors my own feelings.
I kind of wonder if there's anything to read into that. Huh.
Yeah, If I hadn't already known Patrick was leaving before I heard that I don't think I would have understood what they were talking about.
I feel like Ryan would have given him a proper send off, but he's still the only one who I would have labeled as a true host.
Resident4t.
Member
I think Jazzpunk is the only game I'm surprised about on that list. Alex didn't really make any arguments for it and nobody else felt strongly about it. Brad fought pretty passionately for Destiny so it makes sense that would make it on and even Dan fought for Mario Kart, but Alex basically just said Jazzpunk appealed to his sense of humor and that's it.
People taking this stuff to seriously in general is still hilarious. It's the reason I wanted Destiny on the top 10.
People taking this stuff to seriously in general is still hilarious. It's the reason I wanted Destiny on the top 10.
I don't like nintendo first party either
joeygreco1985
Member
Jazzpunk should not be on that list. "That game is fucking crazy" isn't a good enough reason to include it in a GotY list to be honest
Cool?
I'm not allowed to express that or something? The dude I was responding to seemed like it was a crazy concept.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
Banned
These deliberations made me realize the huge divide between critical voice and personal enjoyment with these guys. They really slap some of their favorite games around for their poor design decisions. I think that's worth quite a bit, honestly.
SteveWinwood
Member
lastflowers
Banned
I think many of their games are bland and boring, and not what I want to spend my time on entertainment with
m_shortpants
Member
I can't understand the hypocrisy with Brad's argument for Destiny given his arguments against Smash and MK8.
Thornton Reed
Member
i've just finished listing to these podcasts and god have i missed Vinny. I have heard enough of Alex's voice for a year
Finally managed to listen to all of these podcasts. For the first time I actually finished enough games in a single year to listen to all of these GOTY-casts and not feel worried about spoilers on any games worth playing, so that was cool. Overall, I really enjoyed the discussions and these were a great listen over the winter break.
However... I don't think I'll ever understand Brad and Jeff's taste in games. Their top 10 lists, push for Destiny in the mutual top 10, and criticism of Nintendo games... I just can't. I just can't understand how Jeff can shit on Mario Kart for "being the same game 8 times" while giving fucking Call of Duty game of the year, with Far Cry 4 as a runner up. The annual/semi-annual Western-made AAA games are way more samey than any big Nintendo sequel.
I'm happy Jeff was called out on that and just said what we all knew he was thinking: he just doesn't like Mario Kart games. I think that's totally a fair opinion! I didn't think MK8 was all that great either, personally (I can name 5 games on Wii U this year alone that I enjoyed more than MK8!), but calling it "the same shit 8 times" while going on to praise COD is just insanity to me. I find it laughable that Jeff intricately breaks down the new COD every November for 30 minutes on the Bombcast, pointing out all of these miniscule differences between each annual release as if they're big leaps forward for this storied franchise... while at the same time dismissing Nintendo games like Mario Galaxy as "Mario 64 with spheres" or 3D World because Mario has a cat suit in the game.
Also, Brad's argument in favour of Destiny making it into the top 10 was painful to listen to. I was actually laughing out loud as Patrick and Alex just tore the game apart, and pretty much Brads only rebuttal was nuh uh! If there was more of it it would be the guaranteed game of the year!. At the same time, I knew it was getting on there simply because Brad and Jeff have enough sway to make that happen. Bah. That game is so fucking flawed it's unbelievable. I don't have any interest in DLC or a sequel. Despite Brads passionate argument, I don't want more of Destiny at all. The game is inherently flawed. Decent controls isn't enough to fix literally everything else that is wrong about the game. Amazing that someone who calls Smash Bros boring can sit there and praise the boring and repetitive as fuck mission design of Destiny.
That being said, Jeffs ability to get COD so high on the mutual list and Brads relentlessness for getting Destiny on there at all was pretty great when you think about it. Adding Destiny quietly to the bottom of the list after a bunch of games were already crossed off Brad you sly mother fucker! Theyre geniuses. Dan needs to pick up on some of those tricks when defending Nintendo games next year. Without Patrick, it sounds like Alex will be the only one arguing in favour of actual good games next year unless Drew and Dan speak up!
However... I don't think I'll ever understand Brad and Jeff's taste in games. Their top 10 lists, push for Destiny in the mutual top 10, and criticism of Nintendo games... I just can't. I just can't understand how Jeff can shit on Mario Kart for "being the same game 8 times" while giving fucking Call of Duty game of the year, with Far Cry 4 as a runner up. The annual/semi-annual Western-made AAA games are way more samey than any big Nintendo sequel.
I'm happy Jeff was called out on that and just said what we all knew he was thinking: he just doesn't like Mario Kart games. I think that's totally a fair opinion! I didn't think MK8 was all that great either, personally (I can name 5 games on Wii U this year alone that I enjoyed more than MK8!), but calling it "the same shit 8 times" while going on to praise COD is just insanity to me. I find it laughable that Jeff intricately breaks down the new COD every November for 30 minutes on the Bombcast, pointing out all of these miniscule differences between each annual release as if they're big leaps forward for this storied franchise... while at the same time dismissing Nintendo games like Mario Galaxy as "Mario 64 with spheres" or 3D World because Mario has a cat suit in the game.
Also, Brad's argument in favour of Destiny making it into the top 10 was painful to listen to. I was actually laughing out loud as Patrick and Alex just tore the game apart, and pretty much Brads only rebuttal was nuh uh! If there was more of it it would be the guaranteed game of the year!. At the same time, I knew it was getting on there simply because Brad and Jeff have enough sway to make that happen. Bah. That game is so fucking flawed it's unbelievable. I don't have any interest in DLC or a sequel. Despite Brads passionate argument, I don't want more of Destiny at all. The game is inherently flawed. Decent controls isn't enough to fix literally everything else that is wrong about the game. Amazing that someone who calls Smash Bros boring can sit there and praise the boring and repetitive as fuck mission design of Destiny.
That being said, Jeffs ability to get COD so high on the mutual list and Brads relentlessness for getting Destiny on there at all was pretty great when you think about it. Adding Destiny quietly to the bottom of the list after a bunch of games were already crossed off Brad you sly mother fucker! Theyre geniuses. Dan needs to pick up on some of those tricks when defending Nintendo games next year. Without Patrick, it sounds like Alex will be the only one arguing in favour of actual good games next year unless Drew and Dan speak up!
Finally finished listening to all of these. Not sure if my taste in games has always been this different from GB or whether it's just drifted more off late. Not seeing Divinity, Dragon Age, Sunset Overdrive, or Wolfenstein make that Top 10 really surprised me. Without trying to name specific games in their list as being "less deserving" since that's all so subjective, I guess I just felt pretty ambivalent about what they chose, with some noted exceptions.
I will say one thing that kind of bums me out with their GOTY talks is at times the conversation comes off less about what's the "better game" but rather who can wear down everyone else with their arguments before the other side tires out. Last year, it seemed like Brad finally had to settle with the fact that being the only one in the group really into Dota 2, his circular arguments of why it needed to be in the Top 5 (because Top 10 initially wasn't enough for him) had to end somewhere. This year it felt there were pretty heated arguments on both sides for Destiny, but this time Brad was able to wear everyone else down to get Destiny on the list.
I didn't play much Destiny so I can't really comment on whether it deserved a spot, but it did annoy me to see him haggle Dan for sticking up for Mario Kart 8 with that high pitched "Mario Kart? Really?" bit when he was essentially doing the same with Destiny. And honestly, it started coming off as a bit obnoxious over the course of the discussion. Again, saying this as someone without particularly strong feelings for Destiny or Mario Kart either way.
Perhaps the bigger issue for me is the amount of compromise that goes into their Site Top 10 makes me feel that list just has so little value to me, as it feels no one comes out of it terribly happy with the end result (save for perhaps the top few games on the list), and the ending felt a bit like "well we've been here for 4 hours, I guess this will have to do". I feel with each passing year I tend to appreciate their individual Top 10's more and more, as I end up getting a better sense of what I'm interested in checking out based on what they write, rather than the mishmash of opinions they forcibly try to cobble together to put together a common list.
In the meantime though, I won't deny the spectacle of seeing their deliberations broadcasted unfiltered is at the very least entertaining (as far as I know, they still are the only major gaming website that does this), and in the end, maybe that's all that really matters.
I will say one thing that kind of bums me out with their GOTY talks is at times the conversation comes off less about what's the "better game" but rather who can wear down everyone else with their arguments before the other side tires out. Last year, it seemed like Brad finally had to settle with the fact that being the only one in the group really into Dota 2, his circular arguments of why it needed to be in the Top 5 (because Top 10 initially wasn't enough for him) had to end somewhere. This year it felt there were pretty heated arguments on both sides for Destiny, but this time Brad was able to wear everyone else down to get Destiny on the list.
I didn't play much Destiny so I can't really comment on whether it deserved a spot, but it did annoy me to see him haggle Dan for sticking up for Mario Kart 8 with that high pitched "Mario Kart? Really?" bit when he was essentially doing the same with Destiny. And honestly, it started coming off as a bit obnoxious over the course of the discussion. Again, saying this as someone without particularly strong feelings for Destiny or Mario Kart either way.
Perhaps the bigger issue for me is the amount of compromise that goes into their Site Top 10 makes me feel that list just has so little value to me, as it feels no one comes out of it terribly happy with the end result (save for perhaps the top few games on the list), and the ending felt a bit like "well we've been here for 4 hours, I guess this will have to do". I feel with each passing year I tend to appreciate their individual Top 10's more and more, as I end up getting a better sense of what I'm interested in checking out based on what they write, rather than the mishmash of opinions they forcibly try to cobble together to put together a common list.
In the meantime though, I won't deny the spectacle of seeing their deliberations broadcasted unfiltered is at the very least entertaining (as far as I know, they still are the only major gaming website that does this), and in the end, maybe that's all that really matters.
Wow, Really?
I can understand not liking them, but calling them bland and boring almost seems to be a reason jo justify an irrational hatred towards them.
Because Nintendo games have a flaws, but bland and boring is the last thing one could criticise them for.
7DollarHagane
Banned
Jeff doesn't hate Nintendo he just doesn't have nostalgia and love for them the way a lot of people do. He grew up with the Atari and colecovision generation.
The_Hitcher89
Member
Playing Wolfenstein atm
Not entirely sure in hindsight how Destiny, which only one person really liked at all, got in the top 10 above Wolfenstein which they all seemed to like a fair amount. Personally, I think its twice the game Destiny is.
Not entirely sure in hindsight how Destiny, which only one person really liked at all, got in the top 10 above Wolfenstein which they all seemed to like a fair amount. Personally, I think its twice the game Destiny is.
TheMadMan007
Member
I just finished the GotY stuff, and the only that kinda irked me was even though I get how Brad loved Destiny so much that he was blinded by it, that NO ONE had anything good to say about it other than "The shooting is good". Yet, no one had anything bad to say about Wolfenstien, and looking back, everyone said insanely good things about that game, yet they completely dismissed it.
I get Brad loves Destiny but his love for that game even though everyone actively hates it and said over and over again that it was a BAD game was just weird. He wouldn't let up, and I feel like everyone else just had a unspoken "ugh, just give it to him so he'll shut up" moment.
This year in games basically sucked. A thrown together mix of Assassin's Creed and Batman game won even though the story was terrible and the boss fight was a 30 second QTE. That right there shows you what a garbage year this was. Hopefully this new year will actually have good games come out.
I get Brad loves Destiny but his love for that game even though everyone actively hates it and said over and over again that it was a BAD game was just weird. He wouldn't let up, and I feel like everyone else just had a unspoken "ugh, just give it to him so he'll shut up" moment.
This year in games basically sucked. A thrown together mix of Assassin's Creed and Batman game won even though the story was terrible and the boss fight was a 30 second QTE. That right there shows you what a garbage year this was. Hopefully this new year will actually have good games come out.
The_Hitcher89
Member
I can;t believe that all 6 of them finished SoM, but not one of them mentioned how easy it is, without difficulty options as well.
Wish it was harder, ended up not getting much out of the Nemesis system because I died so rarely, and became so powerful, none of the named Orcs presented much of a challenge.
Could have died on purpose, advanced time or issued death threats, but that sounds like a really silly way of having to do it.
SoM had the makings of a GotY, but fell quite short imo.
lastflowers
Banned
I should also clarify that I think they've made fantastic games for most people, but they just do not appeal to me at all anymore...and I think that's mainly because games for me now are more a new storytelling medium, and Nintendo's games (for the most part) have no story. They aren't boring In a universal sense, but directly in a 'I get nothing from them much like iPhone games like threes and kingdom rush'. There are certainly exceptions, but smash bros, Mario kart, donkey kong do absolutely nothing for me other than maybe some fun times playing them while drunk
To be fair, he enjoyed this year's COD so much because it wasn't the exact same game for once... too bad all of his praise for the devs trying something new-ish is always followed by him saying that every COD from now on has to be like this one, or he won't even play it.
My head is still spinning after that bombcast on which they've complained that different studios' Call of Duty games have too much variety and should be standardized somehow.
That's not true. Brad said that it had 'that one bad boss' and the rest sort of agreed before crossing it off the list.
Unlike Destiny, which had more than a dozen terrible bosses at launch. That's not even counting all the DLC! Dozens > One. Destiny wins.
That's the thing, I think half the guys don't care enough, I know I wouldn't. Any of the games they like will get represented on their own top 10, so who really cares enough to argue for hours with Brad for a no.10 spot. At a certain point it really does feel like "oh just let him be happy I can't be bothered".
That isn't a great defense considering Jeff's word obviously carries more weight than the others during deliberations.
Eh, for a podcast that went over 4 hours, I can't really blame any of them for losing some steam towards the end in terms of desire to argue. On that note, I was surprised they decided to cram in 4 awards on Day 5, when the Day 4 podcast was only 1:30 and I believe another day's podcast was also on the shorter side. Perhaps they had other time commitments on the other days, but with how exhausting these GOTY deliberations are as it is, kind of surprising to me they didn't just want to make that the sole focus of the last day (or at the very least, combine it with just one other category, like the worst game).
skLaFarebear
Member
I don't think everyone thought it was bad. Jeff himself said its really disappointing, but he doesn't think its entirely a bad game. I believe only Patrick and I think Alex were the only ones who thought it were bad. And like Jeff said, if they really didn't want Destiny in the top 10, they could have fought harder for it to not be there.
Also, I don't think using a Giant Bomb top 10 list is a great way to show a year is garbage. I could say that this year is so good because "A game like Bayonetta 2, which is one of the best action games ever made only got the number two spot so obviously this year was great."
This year as a whole wasn't great, but there were a lot of great games this year outside of the AAA muck.
AngryPuppy
Banned
Listen, Destiny being on the list instead of Wolfenstein just doesn't make any sense. There's no defending it. Brad's mind is addled from DOTA addiction, Jeff should have shut his fillibuster down ages before it ended, though I don't understand Jeff anymore either. He said Destiny is better than Wolfenstein and then gave practically no argument to back up that wildly ridiculous statement. He ranted about how bad it was for months, how in the fuck could this be better than one of the best written and critically recieved FPS's in years? Not having MP is not an excuse. The only possible thing Destiny has over it is slightly more fluid and fun shooting, though I'd totally disagree with that.
I just don't see the point in listening to Jeff and Brad anymore, their taste has no logic or consistency, if it weren't for Dan and Alex I'd be over it.
I just don't see the point in listening to Jeff and Brad anymore, their taste has no logic or consistency, if it weren't for Dan and Alex I'd be over it.
m_shortpants
Member
Brad's "it gets good 15 hours in" argument also baffled me. Patrick's response that that would disqualify any other game immediately was perfect.
I honestly have no idea why it made the list. It seemed like Brad was taking personal offense if it didn't make the list, evidenced by his "you got two of your games on!" to Alex, which came across as very childlike.
Basically, fuck Destiny. What a terrible game. I'd personally have put it as Most Disappointing over Watch Dogs, which I knew was going to follow the Ubisoft Open World Framework (TM). Although in WD I actually enjoyed the stealth sections and the shooting. In destiny I only enjoyed the shooting. So WD > Destiny. There you have it.
Basileus777
Member
The only problem I have with Destiny being on the list is that Jeff can't be honest about his feelings about the game. If you like it, fine, but putting on the top 10 in between hours of rants about how Destiny is bad is silly.
nobodyshero
Banned
Destiny will probably go down as the biggest WTF moment in Giant Bomb's Top 10 list history. Things like Skyrim/Saints Row are divisive, but you can at least justify Skyrim winning. Destiny being on there was not out of any form of logic or reason.
RespectThySole
Member
Yeah it's shocking to me that not even one of those games made the top 10.
nobodyshero
Banned
Off topic, what won IGN's GOTY? They drag that fucking process out for so long, and make it so confusing, I must have missed when they actually announced the winner.
AngryPuppy
Banned
Brad has no silver tongue, he just gets emotional and angry about his addictions. Between this and "DOTA 2 is so innovative", I don't see how he has a place in these debates anymore. Jeff's taste is insane but at least he can reasonably discuss things most of the time, though no one having the balls to challenge him on anything is a problem. If Jeff and Brad agree on something it doesn't matter what anyone else on the team thinks.
nobodyshero
Banned
To be fair, Jeff's random Best Debut ruling that disqualified Hearthstone but let Mordor win was only slightly less stupid.
I think if anyone other than Alex had played he would have been called out. That moment was hilarious.
Hearthstone is maybe the best digital presentation of a CCG ever but it was still pretty funny.
Nameless
Member
No problems with Destiny making their list -- especially when Mario Kart and Jazzpunk made the the cut through similar wars of attrition.
Destiny is a terribly mismanaged game, riddled with design flaws, and starved for content. I quit months ago and will likely never return. However, at its core it's a flawless console shooter. The gunplay and overall weapon fidelity are unmatched by anything released this year or in the last several, and it truly does sing via the end game content. Again, given how final selections were being made, I was totally fine with one of the staples of the show wanting to recognize that.
Destiny is a terribly mismanaged game, riddled with design flaws, and starved for content. I quit months ago and will likely never return. However, at its core it's a flawless console shooter. The gunplay and overall weapon fidelity are unmatched by anything released this year or in the last several, and it truly does sing via the end game content. Again, given how final selections were being made, I was totally fine with one of the staples of the show wanting to recognize that.
neogaffer1
Banned
This is true, but Wolfenstein being cut just for Destiny is somewhat insane--Wolfenstein is soooo much better than Destiny, and definitely better than even CoD:AW, although some would argue against that.
I also found Titanfall MP way better than CoD:AW MP by virtue of CoD just felt like CoD and I had a lot of fun with Titanfall, but that's just me.
Junior Mint
Member
I could see why Dota deserved a spot last year. One of the best F2P games that doesn't limit your gameplay at all (unlike League), tons of heroes and items, unlimited replayability, huge eSports backing, and near universal praise for the game. Even someone who doesn't like the game can appreciate it for what it is.
Destiny on the other hand is just mediocre in every single way and universally hated except by a bunch of crazy people who love grinding boring ass, non-existent content. Hell, half the GB staff actively hate the game. It should never have made it onto the list.
Destiny on the other hand is just mediocre in every single way and universally hated except by a bunch of crazy people who love grinding boring ass, non-existent content. Hell, half the GB staff actively hate the game. It should never have made it onto the list.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Seems like an exaggeration. Even though it's divisive, and yes it didn't live up to the hype, at least two members of the bomb crew thought it was a top 10 game. How is that any more egregious than Jazzpunk making the list on the strength on a single person?