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[HamPster PamPster]

Excellent set of podcasts overall. Brad's Destiny push was a thing of beauty. The man never gave an inch!

The only ommission in my opinion is Plants vs Zombies. Such an excellent game and its a shame most of the GOTY talk (on giantbomb and elsewhere) is passing it over. At least it got a mention on the Player One Podcast

 

[Myggen]

If they spend hours discussing the matter, then it's apparently not just "a dumb thing they do." If you listen to all the entirety of their discussions, then proceed to post about it on a message board, you can't convincingly say it's so meaningless as to be safe from criticism.

I'm not saying it should be safe from criticism, I'm saying that the amount of criticism it has gotten is so extremely out of proportion for a nr. 10 game on a top 10 list. Also, some of the personal attacks on Brad in this thread have been out of line.

 

[Shingro]

I'm not saying it should be safe from criticism, I'm saying that the amount of criticism it has gotten is so extremely out of proportion for a nr. 10 game on a top 10 list. Also, some of the personal attacks on Brad in this thread have been out of line.

If that's what you actually wanted to say that it was probably not wise to start with hyperbole =P

Personally I think Brad's behavior was real rough on everyone. It was a real show stopper and kinda heart wrenching too. I sorta expected someone to lay their hand on Brad's shoulder and be like "Brad.... it's a Skinner Box..." after he tried the appeal of "There's something about that game." (not the other video games aren't, but Destiny more then most)

Either way from an entertainment perspective it drained everyone so bad they had to immediately take a break, and didn't have the energy to move more then a handful of games around at the end. Real bummer way to end 2014.

I suspect he will look back at this and say "That was not worth it" and will absorb some rough stuff for a while from both friends and viewers. I mostly just feel really bad for him. This is the sort of thing I'd at least want more private then public. Still, his choice and his call to do it. I hope the reward brings him some joy.

 

[Volotaire]

I loved the Tropical Freeze discussion and Dan trying to prop it in. Haha. What I've heard from the game's soundtrack sounds great, but I have yet to play it.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Then you must hate sequels and any sort of series?

As for Dany, her motivations of wanting to make a better kingdom aren't explained in Dancing for Dragons. Considering her brother and Drogo are a huge part of how she has a perspective shift, you need to read the previous books WITH those characters in order to understand her motivations.

So yes, it sounds like it's your problem. I mean, you must hate Dark Souls for having no story force fed to you, right?

Oh, and you don't know the complete motivations for all the characters in Star Wars ep. 6. Why the hell is Han Solo doing anything for anyone? Watch the previous movies.

So in the end, it's your problem. Simple as that. I mean, it's not Kojimas fault you have the attention span of a 3 year old, is it now? It's not my fault you choose to not listen to all the tapes, it's your fault.

This is actively approaching "you're a stupid moron if you don't like Ground Zeroes' story" territory and you should really knock it off.

 

[Myggen]

If that's what you actually wanted to say that it was probably not wise to start with hyperbole =P

Personally I think Brad's behavior was real rough on everyone. It was a real show stopper and kinda heart wrenching too. I sorta expected someone to lay their hand on Brad's shoulder and be like "Brad.... it's a Skinner Box..." after he tried the appeal of "There's something about that game." (not the other video games aren't, but Destiny more then most)

Either way from an entertainment perspective it drained everyone so bad they had to immediately take a break, and didn't have the energy to move more then a handful of games around at the end. Real bummer way to end 2014.

I suspect he will look back at this and say "That was not worth it" and will absorb some rough stuff for a while from both friends and viewers. I mostly just feel really bad for him. This is the sort of thing I'd at least want more private then public. Still, his choice and his call to do it. I hope the reward brings him some joy.

I think you're making the discussion sound WAY more "dramatic" than it actually was, holy crap. "Rough on everyone"? Really? It was, to my mind, not anything worse than earlier Brad filibusters, and I doubt many people felt the need to "feel bad for him" because of those. You make it sound like some personal tragedy with the way you're writing, which, speaking of hyperbole... I highly doubt he'll absorb "some rough stuff" from friends because, you know, this was a discussion of the top 10 games of the year, which in the grand scheme of things is the least important thing ever after you're done recording.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Then you must hate sequels and any sort of series?

As for Dany, her motivations of wanting to make a better kingdom aren't explained in Dancing for Dragons. Considering her brother and Drogo are a huge part of how she has a perspective shift, you need to read the previous books WITH those characters in order to understand her motivations.

So yes, it sounds like it's your problem. I mean, you must hate Dark Souls for having no story force fed to you, right?

Oh, and you don't know the complete motivations for all the characters in Star Wars ep. 6. Why the hell is Han Solo doing anything for anyone? Watch the previous movies.

So in the end, it's your problem. Simple as that. I mean, it's not Kojimas fault you have the attention span of a 3 year old, is it now? It's not my fault you choose to not listen to all the tapes, it's your fault.

No, most sequels attempt to give enough of a motivation and understanding of the characters within the story and not in a menu screen.

Yeah, they are. Dance is focused on Targaryeon bullshit and and their alleged birthright and to prove that Dany can do it with her chapters. Of course you would have to read AGoT for the minutia but both Drogo and Viserys are mentioned in Dance quite a bit.

Is Ground Zeroes trying to be Dark Souls now narratively? Man, the Dark Souls I know had you interacting with quite a cast of characters in real time and not having you go to a menu for audio logs and told its story through cut scenes, the environment and the occasional item description. It also had boss fights which surprisingly Ground Zeroes lacks. Is this supposed to be a Metal Gear Solid game?

He's in love with Leia.

Youre not making sense. I'm asking for more story to be told within the game and you come up with an attention span jab. Wouldn't I need a longer attention span to devote to more story?

 

[Solid Samus]

Lol Destinys shooting is so much better than Halo. This is a laughable post.

People say this shit but I haven't seen a single person back it up with design analysis beyond Well I think its fun/Sprint down sights bro. Calling bullshit.

 

[Luke_Wal]

People say this shit but I haven't seen a single person back it up with design analysis beyond Well I think its fun/Sprint down sights bro. Calling bullshit.

I think the problem is that with something as nebulous as "feel," it's hard to give quantitative evidence to back it up. I, for example, agree that Destiny's shooting feels best in class, but I don't think I could tell you why. Weight of the weapon, maybe?

 

[Yujin]

Everyone is really excited for another "epic Brad fillibuster" until he actually goes and does it.

 

[Solid Samus]

I think the problem is that with something as nebulous as "feel," it's hard to give quantitative evidence to back it up. I, for example, agree that Destiny's shooting feels best in class, but I don't think I could tell you why. Weight of the weapon, maybe?

I'll admit there's something about it that feels good but it also doesn't feel built for the level of active verticality that it promotes. Works well as a co op shooter but Halos true merits are that the shooting is consistent and the featureset is comparatively reigned in which allowed for a much much tighter competitive balance than what's in Halo. Apples and oranges I guess

 

[Dany]

Everyone is really excited for another "epic Brad fillibuster" until he actually goes and does it.

Heh, pretty much.

 

[Zomba13]

Man, Shadow of Mordor is really overrated. I really liked the time i spent with it. But it just doesnt have enough to warrant it getting so much praise and GOTYs.

Also yeah that Destiny stuff was weak as hell. Can't believe it still got on with everyone dogging it.

Yup. I finished it earlier tonight and while it is a good open world AC style game it's like, nothing really special. The world is very boring and ugly for the most part, the nemesis system was way overhyped, I didn't feel any sort of emotion to the guys and my "nemesis" at the end was a random orc I don't think I ever saw in the game. The side stuff is the same random collectables though the challenges are kinda fun. It's also not bug free as I've fallen through the world on a jump before (counting as a death and promoting orcs etc when I really could have done without that) and trophies not popping for getting all the artefacts/listening to them.

Like, it's not a bad game. It's quite good actually, entertaining and all that but GOTY? Hell naw. I mean, I guess it is one of the least offensive titles of the year and one that all the guys played but I just don't see it.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

No, most sequels attempt to give enough of a motivation and understanding of the characters within the story and not in a menu screen.

Yeah, they are. Dance is focused on Targaryeon bullshit and and their alleged birthright and to prove that Dany can do it with her chapters. Of course you would have to read AGoT for the minutia but both Drogo and Viserys are mentioned in Dance quite a bit.

Is Ground Zeroes trying to be Dark Souls now narratively? Man, the Dark Souls I know had you interacting with quite a cast of characters in real time and not having you go to a menu for audio logs and told its story through cut scenes, the environment and the occasional item description. It also had boss fights which surprisingly Ground Zeroes lacks. Is this supposed to be a Metal Gear Solid game?

He's in love with Leia.

Youre not making sense. I'm asking for more story to be told within the game and you come up with an attention span jab. Wouldn't I need a longer attention span to devote to more story?

Well, like Emcee said I'll knock it off, but simply GZ is a demo through and through. A preview that includes significant story through audio recordings. So you can't say it isnt therr.

Ad for the Dark Souls example, I guess a better example would be Bioshock where its characters are built through audio logs that are completely optional and sometimes hidden. Atleast GZ gives you all if Paz's recordings off the bat, with optional tapes from Chicos torture to be found in game.

Why does Han Solo love Leia? One movie doesny explain their whole arc together.

Yes Drogo and her brother are mentioned, but most of the turmoil she had with those two isnt fully explained in DwD.

I apologize for the jab, but GZ is simply an intro bridging Peace Walker to TPP. Kojima expects you to know the story leading up to it, and procided the story detailing one of the captives(Paz) to build her up. Otherwise GZ is a basic rescue the captives mission.

And yeah, this is a story that, in order to appreciate the ends and outs of it, you need to know the overarching story in order to appreciate fully. Its like trying to hop into Breaking Bad season 4 and not knowing who anyone is.

Edit-I'm tired of going in circles, but if it was meant to be a standalone game, Kojima would've said as much. But it's meant to be a prologue to TPP, as stated by Kojima. And seeing how MGSV as a whole takes place after Peace Walker, it's natural to assume that the story is meant to be a continuation of it, not a stand alone game.

 

[Shingro]

I think you're making the discussion sound WAY more "dramatic" than it actually was, holy crap. "Rough on everyone"? Really? It was, to my mind, not anything worse than earlier Brad filibusters, and I doubt many people felt the need to "feel bad for him" because of those. You make it sound like some personal tragedy with the way you're writing, which, speaking of hyperbole... I highly doubt he'll absorb "some rough stuff" from friends because, you know, this was a discussion of the top 10 games of the year, which in the grand scheme of things is the least important thing ever after you're done recording.

Well, it's just the way I saw things, so to me it seems normal. If you feel it's hyperbolic that's fine, I was trying to highlight the rough parts of it and chose my words accordingly. That sort of writing if not encouraging hyperbole at least waggles its eyebrows towards it and winks lewdly.

I didn't mean to offend or anything, just suggesting that if your intent is "Yeah, the criticism is kinda out of proportion." it might not be worth blowing the thread's reaction out of proportion with caps and such.

 

[Altairre]

I think the problem is that with something as nebulous as "feel," it's hard to give quantitative evidence to back it up. I, for example, agree that Destiny's shooting feels best in class, but I don't think I could tell you why. Weight of the weapon, maybe?

Yeah the it's really hard to argue that point. I personally don't think the shooting in Destiny is great, it's decent but when there are people that are enjoying that aspect as much as they do then that's totally fair. The shooting in Mass Effect 3 feels great to me personally but a lot of people disagree and that's fine too. I think Destiny falls apart in pretty much every other aspect though.

 

[Scrabble]

People say this shit but I haven't seen a single person back it up with design analysis beyond Well I think its fun/Sprint down sights bro. Calling bullshit.

There's no magic equation to explain why it feels good to shoot enemies, it just does.

http://youtu.be/5ZXsjd9je3o?t=16m14s

 

[RazielCuts]

I listened to these out of order and just got done with 'Most Disappointing Game.' It's strange/funny how Destiny is such a close 2nd for Most Disappointing and then make it into the best games of 2014. The build up for the last few months on the Bombcast since Destinys launch from Jeff, I for sure thought it was a shoo-in for Most Disappointing. But I guess trying to find consistency over what was probably a long week of podcasting is a big ask.

I also find it funny how Alex was able to push Jazz Punk into the Top 10 and so far up the list, he did some good bargaining right there. Not that Jazz Punk is a bad game, just he played it well. Which I feel is what these awards come down to in the end, 'you already fought your fight and got your way for your pick on the last award, now its my turn.'

 

[Teggy]

Finally finished up the podcasts yesterday. More than anything I think it confirmed to me that I enjoy listening to Jeff, but he seems to have extremely narrow taste for someone in his position and it gets annoying at times. Brad has his issues, I find him to at least be open minded.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I listened to these out of order and just got done with 'Most Disappointing Game.' It's strange/funny how Destiny is such a close 2nd for Most Disappointing and then make it into the best games of 2014. The build up for the last few months on the Bombcast since Destinys launch from Jeff, I for sure thought it was a shoo-in for Most Disappointing. But I guess trying to find consistency over what was probably a long week of podcasting is a big ask.

I also find it funny how Alex was able to push Jazz Punk into the Top 10 and so far up the list, he did some good bargaining right there. Not that Jazz Punk is a bad game, just he played it well. Which I feel is what these awards come down to in the end, 'you already fought your fight and got your way for your pick on the last award, now its my turn.'

I don't think it's that inconsistent for something to be disappointing but still good/enjoyable. Destiny had sky high expectations, so it had a high ceiling to fall from in terms of disappointment. Disappointing doesn't necessarily mean terrible.

 

[Clefargle]

Finally finished up the podcasts yesterday. More than anything I think it confirmed to me that I enjoy listening to Jeff, but he seems to have extremely narrow taste for someone in his position and it gets annoying at times. Brad has his issues, I find him to at least be open minded.

Yeah I find that when I listen to bombcast nowadays, Jeff communicates his disinterest in lots of genres and types of games more often than he used to. He just seems to hate LOTS of games often without quantifying why.

Edit: Also, I got legit pissed when Jeff made the argument that "anything is fun if you have 8 people playing it". Ignoring the fact that some 8 player experiences could be better than others. It was just so dismissive and apathetic of him, but it's what I've come to expect.

 

[MNC]

Oof, Destiny made it on the list. Yeah Jeff is right, this year had some real shitshows gaming wise. This was a great GOTY discussion streak though. Loved the videos.

 

[Volotaire]

That Santa in Bayonetta. That scene alone sells me on the game. I need that gif.

 

[MNC]

I love how they reiterated each years GOTY and runner up and for each year they felt like "...Did we really choose that game?" Feels a bit the same this year.

 

[danthefan]

Just finished the podcasts, really enjoyed them but I am quite annoyed that Divinity didn't make the final list.

 

[ghostjoke]

If Brad ever does leave game journalism there is a bright future for him in politics or law. That man can talk / filibusterer like a pro. I care nothing for destiny but damn I think i was convinced by the end.

 

[FStop7]

Man, some of you guys are taking this like babies.

Dude, his voice cracked when he was chiding Alex about having two "pet games" in the top 10.

 

[Teggy]

If Brad ever does leave game journalism there is a bright future for him in politics or law. That man can talk / filibusterer like a pro. I care nothing for destiny but damn I think i was convinced by the end.

I think that Brad is the only one that seems to take it as a personal affront that their favorite game doesn't show up in the top 10. Patrick was really into Divinity but gave up on it and Dan was ready to give up on Mario Kart. I think to them they are just games, and if they don't make the list it's not the end of the world. A few of them actively hated Destiny and didn't believe it belonged on the list because it was such a letdown and they had every right to shut him down. I don't know what they think he's going to do if they say no, but he can pretty much just rely on them getting tired of arguing and giving up.

I think the other problem is that a lot of them don't play all the same games. Some of the games get into the top 10 when only 2 or 3 guys have played it - it seemed like all of them had played Destiny and Brad was the only one who thought it belonged in the top 10. I don't think Jeff really did, he just thought it was better than some of the alternatives. It was pretty much the same with DOTA. The game didn't click with any of the guys besides Brad, but they gave it a spot because he was so obsessed with it.

 

[Xyber]

Wolfenstein not even getting in on top 10 is just crazy to me. It was by far the best singleplayer experience I had last year. It was just pure fun all the way through.

And this is coming from someone who wasn't even interested in the game until the day before it released. Saw that I could get for like half the price on nuuvem and decided to give it a go. Money well spent.

 

[The Dear Leader]

Wolfenstein not even getting in on top 10 is just crazy to me. It was by far the best singleplayer experience I had last year. It was just pure fun all the way through.

And this is coming from someone who wasn't even interested in the game until the day before it released. Saw that I could get for like half the price on nuuvem and decided to give it a go. Money well spent.

Destiny robbed it of it's rightful spot on that list, damn you Bradley, damn you to hell!

 

[MasterMongoose]

Totally agree, Wolfenstein: TNO should have taken Destiny's spot. I'm not even a huge Destiny hater (though I did sell my copy of the game once I hit level 20), but Wolfenstein was just such a fun breath of fresh air.

Even my roommate who typically doesn't like any non-CoD games said he enjoyed watching me play through it.

Cool characters, guns, and setting, along with superlative controls (60 fps standard, baby) and some choice to the action or stealth approach makes it a clear winner.

 

[LiK]

Just finished the podcasts, really enjoyed them but I am quite annoyed that Divinity didn't make the final list.

Wolfenstein not even getting in on top 10 is just crazy to me. It was by far the best singleplayer experience I had last year. It was just pure fun all the way through.

And this is coming from someone who wasn't even interested in the game until the day before it released. Saw that I could get for like half the price on nuuvem and decided to give it a go. Money well spent.

11 and 12. Not bad

 

[daydream]

in summary: bread can get bent

(although i'm telling you guys, brad was just asking for a gift while vinny and jeff were the ones wrapping it nicely, putting a shiny ribbon on it and handing it to him)

 

[LiK]

not sure why people are hating Brad for Destiny when Jeff put CoD: AW way further up on that list and he's the only one who truly loves the entire package. Everyone else simply enjoyed the campaign.

 

[antitrop]

I think picking Far Cry 4 over Wolfenstein is the bigger sin. Especially after they spent so much of the deliberations lamenting Ubisoft's generic and tired open-world design.

 

[Lijik]

I think that Brad is the only one that seems to take it as a personal affront that their favorite game doesn't show up in the top 10. Patrick was really into Divinity but gave up on it and Dan was ready to give up on Mario Kart. I think to them they are just games, and if they don't make the list it's not the end of the world. A few of them actively hated Destiny and didn't believe it belonged on the list because it was such a letdown and they had every right to shut him down. I don't know what they think he's going to do if they say no, but he can pretty much just rely on them getting tired of arguing and giving up.

Dan was ready to give on Mario Kart before they just started putting games on the list out of "passion" though, its not really comparable. They pretty much created an environment that justifies the Brad filibuster when they went that route.

 

[LiK]

I think picking Far Cry 4 over Wolfenstein is the bigger sin. Especially after they spent so much of the deliberations lamenting Ubisoft's generic and tired open-world design.

PLEASE STOP....except for FC4

 

[Rodney McKay]

I think picking Far Cry 4 over Wolfenstein is the bigger sin. Especially after they spent so much of the deliberations lamenting Ubisoft's generic and tired open-world design.

Yeah, I just finished Wolfenstein and thought it was one of the best shooters I've played in years. Really fantastic gameplay that lets you play however you want and a surprising serious storyline given the subject matter (alternate history, Nazi robots, etc.), but it still knows how to be lighthearted at times too.

Everything I've seen about Far Cry 4 is that it's just more Far Cry 3. I'll probably get it when it's $15 on sale or less and I'll probably enjoy it, but nothing I've seen or heard about it screams "one of the best games of the year" to me.

 

[Teggy]

not sure why people are hating Brad for Destiny when Jeff put CoD: AW way further up on that list and he's the only one who truly loves the entire package. Everyone else simply enjoyed the campaign.

Yeah, that one was surprising. I don't know why Jeff is so enamored with it. CoD seems to have drawn the complete opposite reaction to Destiny - a game they had little expectations for but turned out OK. The fact that no one felt particularly negative about it let Jeff slide it in there.

 

[Kurt Angle]

An hour and 15 minutes left in the day 5 podcast and I'm dying here.

"Destiny should be in the top 10, because if you removed all the bad parts and added a bunch of good parts, it would be great! And this is why we need to cut several games that are great as they are."

it's just got desperate and disgusting near the end

 

[Teggy]

Everything I've seen about Far Cry 4 is that it's just more Far Cry 3. I'll probably get it when it's $15 on sale or less and I'll probably enjoy it, but nothing I've seen or heard about it screams "one of the best games of the year" to me.

It really is, but it's also just a lot of fun. So many nice additions and refinements to the FC3 formula. It's in my top 10 and I actually played both FC3 and FC4 this year and I have much broader tastes than Jeff (my GOTY is Sunset Overdrive).

 

[Curufinwe]

Yeah, that one was surprising. I don't know why Jeff is so enamored with it. CoD seems to have drawn the complete opposite reaction to Destiny - a game they had little expectations for but turned out OK. The fact that no one felt particularly negative about it let Jeff slide it in there.

It's certainly the most left triggery, right triggery game of 2014.

 

[Kusagari]

not sure why people are hating Brad for Destiny when Jeff put CoD: AW way further up on that list and he's the only one who truly loves the entire package. Everyone else simply enjoyed the campaign.

I think that's kind of different though because everyone who played it did at least enjoy CoD.

 

[nobodyshero]

not sure why people are hating Brad for Destiny when Jeff put CoD: AW way further up on that list and he's the only one who truly loves the entire package. Everyone else simply enjoyed the campaign.

I don't think any of the others really even touched multi

 

[ghostjoke]

I think that Brad is the only one that seems to take it as a personal affront that their favorite game doesn't show up in the top 10. Patrick was really into Divinity but gave up on it and Dan was ready to give up on Mario Kart. I think to them they are just games, and if they don't make the list it's not the end of the world. A few of them actively hated Destiny and didn't believe it belonged on the list because it was such a letdown and they had every right to shut him down. I don't know what they think he's going to do if they say no, but he can pretty much just rely on them getting tired of arguing and giving up.

I think the other problem is that a lot of them don't play all the same games. Some of the games get into the top 10 when only 2 or 3 guys have played it - it seemed like all of them had played Destiny and Brad was the only one who thought it belonged in the top 10. I don't think Jeff really did, he just thought it was better than some of the alternatives. It was pretty much the same with DOTA. The game didn't click with any of the guys besides Brad, but they gave it a spot because he was so obsessed with it.

Sounds like a politician to me.

I prefer they venture out and get variety rather than been all completely up to date on a few core games. The discussion is far more important to me than the arbitrary top 10 list it's building towards. I can understand Brad's passion for destiny because I've several all time favourite games that my love hinges on a single element that is done well. Actual passion for a game is nice these days, not "OMG THIS IS AWESOME, GOTY" like you hear every time a new game is announced, but genuine, get down to the nitty gritty, fighting for something you like and explaining it < all of this is from someone who couldn't care less for Destiny from a playing it aspect - the whole wtf happened here is fascination though.

 

[Tagyhag]

To me GOTY lists are not important and are just for fun, but if you would have told me that GB's top 10 would have included Destiny and not Divinity I would have laughed.

The power of Brad is not to be joked about.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

I think that Brad is the only one that seems to take it as a personal affront that their favorite game doesn't show up in the top 10. Patrick was really into Divinity but gave up on it and Dan was ready to give up on Mario Kart. I think to them they are just games, and if they don't make the list it's not the end of the world. A few of them actively hated Destiny and didn't believe it belonged on the list because it was such a letdown and they had every right to shut him down. I don't know what they think he's going to do if they say no, but he can pretty much just rely on them getting tired of arguing and giving up.

I think the other problem is that a lot of them don't play all the same games. Some of the games get into the top 10 when only 2 or 3 guys have played it - it seemed like all of them had played Destiny and Brad was the only one who thought it belonged in the top 10. I don't think Jeff really did, he just thought it was better than some of the alternatives. It was pretty much the same with DOTA. The game didn't click with any of the guys besides Brad, but they gave it a spot because he was so obsessed with it.

I think he also caught feelings because he didn't want Mario Kart & got talked down by the group so then he was like "well if we can just put something because one guy liked it I want my Destiny! Humph!"

DOTA is at least defensible, that game wasn't as negatively received or as flawed.

 

[Cindres]

I just finished the Day 5, man that was frustrating to listen to.

The push against Mario Kart was bad enough but then the fight for Destiny, jesus. The "core" is good, sure. But the content was lacking in both quality and quantity and I don't understand how that can be justified as a top 10. Brad just kept reiterating that after 15/20 hours it really struck him, and the argument was made that Wolf was good but only 8-10 hours, but those 8-10 hours are solid, consistent and with waaaaay fewer asterixes than Destiny.

I could rant for ages because I was internally screaming at the bloody podcast when I was listening to it there, but man that Destiny shit annoyed me. A game with that many flaws ain't a top 10 (I know GB aren't the only ones to include it, in fact if anything they've put it lower than most, but the arguments that made it get to the list, especially when compared to the push backs against other deserving games)

 

[SteveWinwood]

I think he also caught feelings because he didn't want Mario Kart & got talked down by the group so then he was like "well if we can just put something because one guy liked it I want my Destiny! Humph!"

DOTA is at least defensible, that game wasn't as negatively received or as flawed.

dota is perfect, without flaws, and anyone who doesnt like it doesnt know what theyre talking about

 

[joeygreco1985]

Man, after listening to all of the podcasts Alex just comes off as the smarmiest asshole. Everything isn't "hot garbage", bro.

It's lame that Dan is a hero for digging his heels in to get Mario Kart 8 on the list, but Brad is a villain for doing exactly the same thing with Destiny. Jeff would have done the same for CoD except that he has so much seniority nobody dares go toe-to-toe with him. It seems like 4-5 people got games on the list through their own force of will. That's what makes this deliberation interesting though. Lame choices based around staff consensus are how we wound up with a boring GOTY like Shadow of Mordor, where it feels more like the least offensive choice than the best game.

I noticed that too, it seemed like people backed off super-quick on Jeff's games.