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Jintor

Member
I can't think of a worse insult than the one he already said about Phantom Menace being better than LotR.

Absolutely disgusting. I tried to rewatch Phantom Menace a few years back. That thing is a shit sandwich and a half. I know Dan was deliberately trying to crap on LOTR by comparing it to a thing he thought was also bad, ie Phantom Menace, but that movie is soooooo fucking terrible except for Liam Neeson and maybe Ewan McGregor.
 

Myggen

Member
Absolutely disgusting. I tried to rewatch Phantom Menace a few years back. That thing is a shit sandwich and a half. I know Dan was deliberately trying to crap on LOTR by comparing it to a thing he thought was also bad, ie Phantom Menace, but that movie is soooooo fucking terrible except for Liam Neeson and maybe Ewan McGregor.

I think it's the best of the prequels, which isn't saying much but still. It's not a good movie, but I'm not offended by it (I was offended by the love story in the second movie for being maybe the worse love story ever). I don't regard the LOTR films as very good, but that's more my subjective taste. The films are technical marvels and well acted, I just think they've got serious pacing issues and I've never really been engaged by the story of LOTR. That said, they're all a lot better than Phantom Menance.

You guys think Jason will be on GotY deliberations too?

I doubt it.
 
And yet he'll happily watch one horror movie after another filled with women being treated as objects in the most vile and objectionable ways possible.

I can understand this point of view to an extent. Movies don't ask the viewer to be complicit in the actions that take place. I don't object to movies with torture scenes. Expecting players to participate in torture is another thing entirely.

If a game depicts despicable acts that are out of the player's control, then it shouldn't be any more objectionable than those in movies. Claiming otherwise is hypocritical.
 

Jintor

Member
I think it's the best of the prequels, which isn't saying much but still. It's not a good movie, but I'm not offended by it (I was offended by the love story in the second movie for being maybe the worse love story ever). I don't regard the LOTR films as very good, but that's more my subjective taste. The films are technical marvels and well acted, I just think they've got serious pacing issues and I've never really been engaged by the story of LOTR. That said, they're all a lot better than Phantom Menance.

I remember at least the big battles and the fights of the second movie in particular at least being entertaining. Nothing really comparable in Phantom Menace to the big Geonosian arena battle.

But I ain't going back to watch that, no siree
 

Myggen

Member
I remember at least the big battles and the fights of the second movie in particular at least being entertaining. Nothing really comparable in Phantom Menace to the big Geonosian arena battle.

But I ain't going back to watch that, no siree

The last battle of the second movie is just a lot of shit on the screen and Yoda jumping around like an idiot. But yeah, been a while since I last saw that trilogy. I think the Plinkett review of Attack of the Clones is especially good at pointing out everything wrong about that movie, especially the love story.
 
Attack of the Clones is a worse movie than Phantom Menace and I will defend that position until I die.

Attack of the Clones is a hate crime against good taste and the medium in which it exists.

I mean jesus christ

I guess the one positive thing you could say about AotC is that it's at least less casually racist than TPM
 
You guys think Jason will be on GotY deliberations too?
He (and maybe Drew) will be working flat-out on editing the GOTY videos. Maybe the top ten videos will return?

I get the frustration at the crew's past gaps in logic when arriving at their decisions. But if any other outlet was similarly open about their discussions, you'd probably get the same inconsistencies. The discussions should be taken as-is. I, nor anyone else, is going to agree with their end decision or even their thought process behind the winners of every single category. But it demonstrates how they got there which is pretty insightful.

And most importantly, damn entertaining!
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
Phantom Menace is the closest approximation to an actual movie of any of the prequels. It was clearly made by aliens who had watched real movies and didn't understand them, while the other two were made by different aliens who only watched Phantom Menace first.
 

demidar

Member
He (and maybe Drew) will be working flat-out on editing the GOTY videos. Maybe the top ten videos will return?

I get the frustration at the crew's past gaps in logic when arriving at their decisions. But if any other outlet was similarly open about their discussions, you'd probably get the same inconsistencies. The discussions should be taken as-is. I, nor anyone else, is going to agree with their end decision or even their thought process behind the winners of every single category. But it demonstrates how they got there which is pretty insightful.

And most importantly, damn entertaining!

Oh that's a good point. They'll likely be too busy, and these deliberations ain't short.
 

Myggen

Member
He (and maybe Drew) will be working flat-out on editing the GOTY videos. Maybe the top ten videos will return?

I get the frustration at the crew's past gaps in logic when arriving at their decisions. But if any other outlet was similarly open about their discussions, you'd probably get the same inconsistencies. The discussions should be taken as-is. I, nor anyone else, is going to agree with their end decision or even their thought process behind the winners of every single category. But it demonstrates how they got there which is pretty insightful.

And most importantly, damn entertaining!

Have any of the other gaming sites done anything that's similar to the GOTY podcasts? The closest I can think of is Polygon's Besties podcasts, and that's not really the same. I would think that the community of other sites would find it fascinating (and controversial!), and that it would be a popular feature. But maybe GB with their still pretty small-ish editorial staff is in a unique position with this stuff. I would listen to similar podcasts by the Gamespot editorial team for example, and Gametrailers can't have many editors left after the layoffs.
 

tchocky

Member
Have any of the other gaming sites done anything that's similar to the GOTY podcasts? The closest I can think of is Polygon's Besties podcasts, and that's not really the same. I would think that the community of other sites would find it fascinating (and controversial!), and that it would be a popular feature. But maybe GB with their still pretty small-ish editorial staff is in a unique position with this stuff. I would listen to similar podcasts by the Gamespot editorial team for example, and Gametrailers can't have many editors left after the layoffs.

If GB hire anymore more people it will become difficult to continue the podcasts without changes right now they have 7 or 6 if Drew sits out. Anymore than that and it will become a mess 7 could already be too many. The main thing with this years podcast is if Vinny will be on since he has been without consoles/gaming PC for like half the year and won't have them until January so a lot of the games discussed he will have played little of.
 

Myggen

Member
If GB hire anymore more people it will become difficult to continue the podcasts without changes right now they have 7 or 6 if Drew sits out. Anymore than that and it will become a mess 7 could already be too many. The main thing with this years podcast is if Vinny will be on since he has been without consoles/gaming PC for like half the year and won't have them until January so a lot of the games discussed he will have played little of.

I highly doubt Vinny will be on for that exact reason. My guess is that he'll take on much of the editing, but won't be on the podcasts.
 

drizzle

Axel Hertz
However, that is absolutely not true of Destiny. The Strikes, Dailies, Weekly heroic/Nightfall, Bounties, Exotic weapon quests, and even the special 2 week long event are all made up of the exact same content you did while leveling. You even sit through all the same cut scenes and dialogue. The enemy abilities and behaviors never change, they don't even bother to rename or recolor them. They apply "modifiers" but those are mostly about "I'll shoot these guys with my Fire rifle instead of my Arc rifle this week."
Yes, I'll agree with you. The Strikes/Dailies/Weeklies are repeated content. But that's just things you do, checkboxes you tick during the week while waiting for the raid timers to reset to do them again. Doing PvP (either in Destiny or any multiplayer oriented FPS) and grinding reputation (be it in Destiny or in any MMO) is quite literally the same thing. People prestige 5 times in CoD, and they're technically just doing the same content over and over again.

The Strikes are nice equivalents of "Dungeons" on MMOs: An easier encounter you do with less people to get items (and, in Destiny's case, grind reputation/strange coins to exchange for items) while you wait for the raid timers to reset. And since they're easier, you don't need your core group of friends to do them with, which is why they have matchmaking.

The environment art is all recycled and most of the bosses are just oversized versions of regular creatures; Atheon may be the only exception. Even some of the interesting new mechanics like the Relic and syncing are constantly reused across the encounters.

The environment will most certainly be re-used: This is not WOW, where the environment is a 6 polygon model with low res textures applied to it. Personally, I would expect the DLC raids to be different in that aspect as well, along with new enemies inside the existing factions - most of the current enemies are just palette swaps of old enemies, but I have a feeling we will only get new bosses - Again, just like PSO.


The repetition of the new content/gameplay mechanics you pointed out is, in my opinion, one of the great things about the Raids in destiny:

When you first go into the raid, you have to protect 3 pillars and let them open to create a tower that will open the portal to the raid - that's unique content not shown anywhere in the game (one could argue this is just capturing the flag/king of the hill, but bear with me).

On the first Boss encounter, you're Protecting Confluxes, killing oracles before they mark you and kill you and cleansing yourself with the relic (which teaches you the concept of buffs and debuffs), which is also unique content to the game (one could argue that this is not new content when taking into consideration other games, but still).

You're going to point out that all three of those mechanics is re-used in the final boss, and I think that's genius of them. Imagine doing this for the first time. You're learning every set mechanic individually, and at the end, you have to apply all that knowledge from the 3 different parts of the game to kill the final boss (there's no excuse for the Gorgon Maze, that's just annoying, but so was the maze in the end of Revenge of Shinobi for the Genesis, and nobody was raising pitchforks and setting churches on fire because of it back then).

That's a very nice mechanic loop. You learn different new mechanics you never seen before, you hone them in, you apply them all together in the last boss.


Don't get me wrong: Repetition is the base of MMOs in general (And PSO, and Destiny, and Diablo...) You might not like it, and you don't have to, but that's what grinding is all about. If you deconstruct everything, everything is always the same. That's why the saying "MMOs are all the same, you just point and click at somebody until they die" exists. It's not wrong, it's all repetition. How it's presented to you and how you do it is the different part. And in that aspect, Destiny seems like a great game (I only played the Beta and i've been following a group of friends playing the game/talking about it/reading about it/watching streams, mostly).
 

Zaph

Member
I think they'll want to minimize the number of people skyping in. Look at what happened to Alex, you don't want to multiply that issue.

I really hope that's the case. Keep the GOTY discussion to in-studio only, with everyone else having their own top 10 list. Vinny's will probably be exclusively iPhone games given everything going on.
 

Dany

Banned
I really hope that's the case. Keep the GOTY discussion to in-studio only, with everyone else having their own top 10 list. Vinny's will probably be exclusively iPhone games given everything going on.

Agh no, I like the larger GOTY podcasts. I hope they get everyone, and i mean everyone. I want to see blood on the top 10 games of 2014 URL
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
How?! 3 is by far the best, followed by 2, then the Christmas special, and then 1.



Dangling a set of keys in front of your eyes for 90 minutes would be approximately the same movie as either Clones or Sith. They're awful, awful wastes of time. There isn't a single redeeming factor for either of those films.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Dangling a set of keys in front of your eyes for 90 minutes would be approximately the same movie as either Clones or Sith. They're awful, awful wastes of time. There isn't a single redeeming factor for either of those films.

at the end of AotC the shot of proto-star destroyers was pretty nice. You know what they are going to be, but for now they're on the 'good' side. Hit the right foreshadowing note for me at least.
 
Shadow of Mordor, the RE4 PC re-release and Diablo 3 Reaper of Souls seem to be the only 2014 releases I've played. I can't think of anything else.
 

Chuck

Still without luck
Dangling a set of keys in front of your eyes for 90 minutes would be approximately the same movie as either Clones or Sith. They're awful, awful wastes of time. There isn't a single redeeming factor for either of those films.
Clones has the interesting obiwan sub plot, and sith is paced very well and is decent throughout.

PM has literally nothing.
 
I assumed they were longer, but by my memory the bullshit lava platforming level at the end of Sith took somewhere between 45 minutes and 3 months, so I couldn't quite be sure of the actual runtime.

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Archaix

Drunky McMurder
yeah, this TWO seconds is the worst thing ever. clearly this makes it a horrible movie.

Their entire "fight" was one of the worst sequences in major movie history. I've never in my life been so bored with so much shit happening on screen.
 

Kelas

The Beastie Boys are the first hip hop group in years to have something to say
At the very least Jason should do a written top ten.
 
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