AuthenticM
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Girl who convinced friend to commit suicide found guilty of involuntary manslaughter
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Omegasquash
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I read the published texts. Was there ever a time when she tried to talk him out of it? Seems like she just kept pushing? I think I recall her two fold defense being that she had switched anti-depressants and that she had felt he had been suffering too long
Verdict here was correct imo. In the end, she pushed him into it.
Verdict here was correct imo. In the end, she pushed him into it.
AuthenticM
Member
Yeah
I think the limit of a reasonable sentence would be ten years of prison with possibility of parole in five years. Any more than that and we cross into crazy-americans-don't-know-how-to-administer-justice territory.
"On using a generator to make CO2 to die from:
"On whether or not he should really do it"
Carter: "You just need to do it Conrad or I'm gonna get you help"
Carter: "You can't keep doing this everyday"
Roy: "Okay I'm gonna do it today"
Carter: "Do you promise"
Roy: "I promise babe"
Roy: "I have to now"
Carter: "Like right now?"
Roy: "where do I go?"
Carter: "And u can't break a promise. And just go in a quiet parking lot or something."
Wtf man. Not saying 20 years is the answer but jail time is deserved
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
Member
Fuck.
His death was caused by her criminally reckless behavior. That's highest charge they could have gotten her on given the circumstances. By texting him over and over to kill himself she didn't actually kill him, but it was reckless enough behavior that could be reasonably seen to result in his death. Voluntary manslaughter is usually 'heat of the moment' or homicides that are provoked in some way, where the person has the intent of killing a person but it's not premeditated and the person actually does the killing themselves. (Criminal attorney could probably critique this but this is my general understanding from law school)
Super interesting case criminal law wise, I'm sure it will become part of criminal law classes in the coming years.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
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What I find so strange is how strongly she argues against it early on and then, in the span of a week, suddenly is goading him into doing it. Its like she snapped or something.
Still, glad they found her guilty.
n00bsauce87
Member
My local radio station has been keeping up with this story.
Sets up an interesting precedent where just sending a text that could cause one to kill themselves can be considered as a crime.
Also, you don't have to be a witness to the act to still be tied to it.
Sets up an interesting precedent where just sending a text that could cause one to kill themselves can be considered as a crime.
Also, you don't have to be a witness to the act to still be tied to it.
BlackBanditSho
Member
Man, this is just as scary. I don't trust the justice system to acknowledge nuance in these situations. This girl was is a psychopath, and I feel that the 20 years is just. Turn her into a guy and much of the sympathy goes out the window, I think.
Regardless, her lack of empathy is frightening - as it is with any psychopath.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
She's a twisted, sick fuck who deserves the book thrown at her.
To be fair, this was a sustained, drawn out campaign of her telling him to kill himself that included her telling him how to do and plan it and even where to do it. What would be a more interesting case is someone who texts in a fit of rage "Why don't you go kill yourself!" And the person actually does it. I don't think that rises to a level of criminal recklessness like this girl's situation did.
Various Artists
Banned
I don't know if this will factor in for the jail time I'm not completely up to date on the details. Is she being tried as a minor. I think at the time of the crime she was a minor (17) no?
Effigenius
Member
She was tried as a minor, so her punishment will likely be relatively light.
Glad she was found guilty though.
Glad she was found guilty though.
Alter_Fridge
Member
Awful circumstances?
Here's an idea, don't be a morbid piece of shit and this doesn't happen
I believe the defense was something along the lines of her new anti depressants were causing havoc with her emotions and judgement and she came to believe that he truly wanted to end his life and that it was the best choice for him and it was her job to help him achieve that.
The whole thing sounds a like a sad and tragic mess of teenagers dealing with depression.
Wow. What a sick fuck. She did a complete 180 and basically pulled the trigger.
daemissary
Member
She didn't break any.
https://aclum.org/uncategorized/aclu-massachusetts-statement-michelle-carter-guilty-verdict/
I'm with you...the texts were really gross but she also told him to get help multiple times. This is a pretty slippery slope to go down.
Lonewulfeus
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Well that's a rosy world view lol
I hate to say it, but that defense carries weight with me. I have someone who has to take daily mood medication and even minute changes can throw their emotional state into chaos. Starting to agree with your last sentence there.
Omegasquash
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I don't claim to know the inner workings of her mind, and as such, I find myself in agreement. If it were crystal clear, diagnosed mental illness or condition that made this happen, treatment and a lower sentence. If it were pure cruelty, then throw the book at her.
Since I don't know for sure, and there were texts in there that suggested he get help (some of which I felt were vague), the middle ground makes sense to me. That said, there are people here who's lives have been touched by suicide. I won't attempt to undermine or argue with what they're saying. I doubt any feeling could be more justified. Not saying you're arguing either, FTR.
DrunkShogun
Member
Was the right decision. Hopefully it will avoid any similar deaths by people thinking they can get away with convincing someone to kill themselves.
ghostofsparta
Member
It's not over until she's locked up. It'll go to appeals and who knows if the conviction will hold.
also tried as a minor so even if she does get convicted she'll get off easy, maybe not even jail time?
also tried as a minor so even if she does get convicted she'll get off easy, maybe not even jail time?
Username1198
Member
No.
She did all this and not contact authorities to tell them he was dead. She deserves a long jail sentence.
There's a difference between some troll telling you to kill yourself online and what the girl did.
Aside from being called an idiot or getting banned from whatever service you're on when you do it I don't think a one off "kill yourself" should make someone liable for anything, but that's not what happened here.
This was sustained encouragement over a period of time plus she was on the phone with him when he did it. Shits fucked.
Yeah but people that support euthanasia wouldn't berate the person if they changed their mind. From those texts it looks like he didn't really want to do it. He probably would have come out of it on his own. That girl is a definite sicko.
I'm not saying you are right or wrong but that's arbitrary as fuck.
Pretty much my feelings.
Earthbound64
Banned
Hopefully.
Involuntary manslaughter doesn't even sound harsh enough. There was nothing involuntary about what she was doing. She got the result she wanted.
And honestly, someone this psychopathic regardless of being so young... I don't see them changing. It wasn't like she was angry and said "kill yourself!" in the heat of the moment. There was no argument, the boyfriend seemed to love her, but she calmly and gradually goaded him into taking his life like a fucking therapist or something.
And honestly, someone this psychopathic regardless of being so young... I don't see them changing. It wasn't like she was angry and said "kill yourself!" in the heat of the moment. There was no argument, the boyfriend seemed to love her, but she calmly and gradually goaded him into taking his life like a fucking therapist or something.
Nah she was a sick fuck who deserved this.
Bolivar687
Banned
I understand why the ACLU is wary but I still feel it was the correct decision. There needs to be culpability with intentionally encouraging someone you know is suicidal, especially in the commission of the act.
crisdecuba
Member
A person can agree that she was a terrible person who merited the punishment, but are you saying you take joy in it?
After reading the text messages you should have none and I hope she serves the full 20 years. Disgusting.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
She's an awful person.
Please don't be one yourself by using such a mysoginstic slur.
I would say that she took advantage of and exploited a mentally ill person for her own satisfaction and gain.
She wanted to have the power over him and to order him to his death which he finally complied with after non stop hammering that he was better off dead. After that she has the balls to setup a fundraiser thing for suicide awareness.
Looking at Mass. Law they seem to have some of the weakest protections against such abuse and exploitation only focusing on the elderly and disabled.
She wanted to have the power over him and to order him to his death which he finally complied with after non stop hammering that he was better off dead. After that she has the balls to setup a fundraiser thing for suicide awareness.
Looking at Mass. Law they seem to have some of the weakest protections against such abuse and exploitation only focusing on the elderly and disabled.
I take solace in her getting served with justice. Yeah.
Yekshemesh
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She held the fundraiser at her school, a school that he didn't even go to.
I expected these things to be like, they broke up and she was telling him to go fucking die or something. The same way people online go 'kys' if you pick Hanzo or something, reading those...jesus christ, quick 180 from 'you should get help' to legitimately helping this guy do it. Almost seems like she got bored in her own life and just wanted something crazy and exciting to ahve a 'story' or something.
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