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[dc89]

Put her in pokey and throw away the key.

 

[Transhuman]

That's not really comparable at all. The lack of empathy is for her wanton disregard for his life to the point where she actively pushes him to do it. We lack empathy for her plight because she willfully put him in a situation she knew would kill him.

You're either an empathetic person or you're not. If you only empathise with people when it's easy to do so, your empathy means as much as a platitude.

You didn't think this through.

Yes I did cameron.

 

[A Link to the Past]

You're either an empathetic person or you're not. If you only empathise with people when it's easy to do so, your empathy means as much as a platitude.



Yes I did cameron.

I am well aware that it's entirely devastating to her that she is going to have her life eroded for her crimes, but that does not mean that anyone should express empathy for her.

 

[Lucumo]

I shouldn't be but I am fascinated by what a stupid evil pos this woman was. There's nothing involuntary about what she did. She was dozens of texts past "I didn't really think he would do it"

She is still alive.

I remember this case and am fine with how it turned out, I guess.

 

[Mung]

What an absolute piece of shit that women is.

 

[liquidtmd]

Carter: "Do you have the generator?"
Roy: "not yet lol"
Carter: "WELL WHEN ARE YOU GETTING IT"

Ive seen some pretty dark shit but damn this is ice cold

 

[cameron]

Yes I did cameron.

It doesn't look that way, "Transhuman." If you so badly want to show everyone how enlightened you are, then maybe flesh out your posts a bit more.

There's a certain amount of irony with Gaf's lack of empathy for a girl whose crime originates from a lack of empathy

You're either an empathetic person or you're not. If you only empathise with people when it's easy to do so, your empathy means as much as a platitude.

Along with a dumb dig at the "GAF hivemind", these are nothing more than pseudo-profound scribblings.

 

[Mung]

You're either an empathetic person or you're not. If you only empathise with people when it's easy to do so, your empathy means as much as a platitude.



Yes I did cameron.

The edgy psychobabble is strong here.

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

There's a certain amount of irony with Gaf's lack of empathy for a girl whose crime originates from a lack of empathy

I highly suggest you watch the 48 Hours about this case that just came out. You'll forget any empathy you had for this girl.

We watched it this morning and it sheds light on something that bothered the shit out of me, which was: WHY the fuck would she be so insistent on him killing himself. The answer seems obvious when you look at texts she sent to other girls with whom she was either friends or wanted to be friends with. It was to get attention and sympathy; gain friendships from girls who wouldn't otherwise be her friend.

That in addition to all the texts they showed that I hadn't seen before leaves no doubt this chick is fucking screwed in the head. Not clinically, of course. There was one text that was like, "Why won't you do it like i don't get it you said you'd do it" and another where she said she felt "stupid" for being duped by him into believing he was going to commit suicide now that he was having second thoughts.

Jesus fucking Christ. Absolutely sickening. And the worst part is they showed videos the guy had recorded of himself where he was being introspective about his depression and was saying he knows he needs to get better and he just wants to get to that point.

This disgusting bitch could have possibly saved him had she raised concerns to his parents or siblings. Instead, she basically put him in his grave.

I have NO empathy for that and if you do, you're either weird or you don't know enough about this case.

 

[Agent_Carnage]

Glad justice was served in this trial. That woman is a horrible human being to encourage that guy to kill himself and she dident report it or try to help him.

 

[Shredderi]

Good. Fuck this fucko.

 

[Cirion]

She is clearly, objectively mentally ill. People screaming for absurd, inhumane sentences are disgusting and one of the reasons for why the US justice system is so utterly fucked up and broken. Punishment, punishment, revenge, revenge. Just disgusting.

 

[DR2K]

Well she got the attention she craved. Now she can rot in jail.

 

[Beefy]

She is clearly, objectively mentally ill. People screaming for absurd, inhumane sentences are disgusting and one of the reasons for why the US justice system is so utterly fucked up and broken. Punishment, punishment, revenge, revenge. Just disgusting.

Do you have any proof she is mentally ill?

 

[A Link to the Past]

I highly suggest you watch the 48 Hours about this case that just came out. You'll forget any empathy you had for this girl.

We watched it this morning and it sheds light on something that bothered the shit out of me, which was: WHY the fuck would she be so insistent on him killing himself. The answer seems obvious when you look at texts she sent to other girls with whom she was either friends with or wanted to be friends with. It was to get attention and sympathy; gain friendships from girls who wouldn't otherwise be her friend.

That in addition to all the texts they showed that I hadn't seen before leaves no doubt this chick is fucking screwed in the head. Not clinically, of course. There was one text that was like, "Why won't you do it like i don't get it you said you'd do it" and another where she said she felt "stupid" for being duped by him into believing he was going to commit suicide now that he was having second thoughts.

Jesus fucking Christ. Absolutely sickening. And the worst part is they showed videos the guy had recorded of himself where he was being introspective about his depression and was saying he knows he needs to get better and he just wants to get to that point.

This disgusting bitch could have possibly saved him had she raised concerns to his parents or siblings. Instead, she basically put him in his grave.

I have NO empathy for that and if you do, you're either weird or you don't know enough about this case.

A solid takedown of an edgester

 

[vasametropolis]

Put her and jail and slip someone a shank.

 

[Muffin1611]

She is clearly, objectively mentally ill. People screaming for absurd, inhumane sentences are disgusting and one of the reasons for why the US justice system is so utterly fucked up and broken. Punishment, punishment, revenge, revenge. Just disgusting.

While I agree that a justice system should be about rehabilitation and not punishment, and I tend to see dozens of GAF users screaming for death or life sentences in just about any crime thread, or making insightful posts like "throw away the keys" or "this is why I think this person should never get out of prison again", I don't really see how you're able to make the observation that she is mentally ill. That's up to the experts to decide.

It's also annoying to see baseless assumptions of perpetrators being mentally ill because you don't understand how she could commit such a crime.

You don't have to be mentally ill to commit crimes, and there are many mentally ill that go about their life just fine.

 

[SapientWolf]

Do you have any proof she is mentally ill?

She was diagnosed with clinical depression. Whether that was causative is anyone's guess. She probably has at least one personality disorder as well. Her actions are consistent with narcissistic personality disorder.

 

[ronaldthump]

Good. Hope she gets a good couple of years behind bars the psychopath

 

[Dyle]

I don't see her ultimately being convicted of involuntary manslaughter, it seems to be too large a leap for the definition of the crime, given his own actions and the somewhat suspect evidence for what actually she said in his last moments. Whatever ends up happening in this case, I hope she gets the maximum sentence.

 

[Widdle Puppy]

She was diagnosed with clinical depression. Whether that was causative is anyone's guess. She probably has at least one personality disorder as well. Her actions are consistent with narcissistic personality disorder.

This is why I hold somewhat of a dissenting opinion regarding this case. I see her as being unbalanced and deranged. I don't see her as a murderer with some sort of intent or motive to fulfill some selfish desire. Those text messages are absolutely disturbing and bizarre. It's a tragic case no doubt but I don't think it fits entirely with what she was charged with. I think an appropriate sentencing would be for her to spend some time in a mental hospital. If this was an older adult influencing a child I think I would side more with this being homicide.

 

[jWILL253]

Awful case, awful circumstances. Sorry for the victim's family, girl was rightfully convicted but don't take any joy in that.

Pffffft.

The girl tried to profit of his suicide after she goaded him into it. Fuck that sociopath.

 

[Days like these...]

Funnily, I've noticed alot more support for this monster on FB. According to some she was a victim of his depression and suicidal thoughts. Apparently she was so mentally abused by him that he brainwashed her into think suicide was the best for him.

I think she is evil incarnate.

 

[Nydius]

I don't see her ultimately being convicted of involuntary manslaughter, it seems to be too large a leap for the definition of the crime, given his own actions and the somewhat suspect evidence for what actually she said in his last moments. Whatever ends up happening in this case, I hope she gets the maximum sentence.

She was already convicted of Involuntary Manslaughter though.
All that's left is sentencing.

"too large a leap for the definition of the crime"?

Involuntary Manslaughter is defined as: 1) An unlawful killing that was unintentionally caused as the result of wanton or reckless conduct that a defendant engaged in; or 2) An unlawful killing that resulted during the commission of a dangerous battery by a defendant. In the legal context, “unintentionally” means that while the defendant did intend to commit the act that ultimately caused the death of the victim, the defendant did not intend to actually cause the death itself. (Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 265 Section 13)

Her conduct was considered reckless and led to the death of Roy. Her text messages and the way she preyed on his mental illness and mental instability to coerce him into returning to the vehicle to kill himself, the fact that she knew the situation existed and did nothing to prevent it (instead opting to do the opposite) all falls squarely in the definition of manslaughter.

I hope she gets the maximum as well but I won't at all be surprised if, in this jacked up legal systems of ours, she gets a tiny sentence and lots of probation.

 

[ManDudeChild]

While I can acknowledge this woman is mentally ill, she is still alive. Which is more than we can say for the young man she for all intents and purposes murdered

 

[Drain You]

I heard about this case and honestly thought it was terrible she got convicted...then I read the texts. Oh man, that was nothing like I expected. She deserves what she got and I feel absolutely terrible for the boy. Hope his family is ok and I wish he could have gotten the help that he deserved.

Also this should be a lesson, if your worst enemy comes to you showing these kinds of feelings, show some compassion. If you're not capable of helping, steer them in the right direction.

 

[Dyle]

She was already convicted of Involuntary Manslaughter though.
All that's left is sentencing.

"too large a leap for the definition of the crime"?


Her conduct was considered reckless and led to the death of Roy. Her text messages and the way she preyed on his mental illness and mental instability to coerce him into returning to the vehicle to kill himself, the fact that she knew the situation existed and did nothing to prevent it (instead opting to do the opposite) all falls squarely in the definition of manslaughter.

I hope she gets the maximum as well but I won't at all be surprised if, in this jacked up legal systems of ours, she gets a tiny sentence and lots of probation.

From the NYT's article

The verdict stunned many legal specialists because suicide is generally considered, legally, to result from a person’s free will.

Daniel Medwed, a law professor at Northeastern University, said the decision surprised him because the manslaughter charge seemed “a stretch” to begin with. Because Ms. Carter was not at the scene, and Mr. Roy ultimately acted alone, he said, it was difficult to prove she “caused” the death.

Ms. Gertner of Harvard said that likely grounds for appeal would be that the verdict had “extended the law of involuntary manslaughter to an arena into which it hasn’t been extended before — the notion of liability with respect to a suicide for someone who failed to act, who wasn’t present, who didn’t provide the instrumentalities for the suicide and the concept of a failure to intervene are all unique and that’s what would be litigated.”

This decision, in which speech alone has been determined to be requisite grounds for conviction, is literally unprecedented. A case such as this, where the individuals are miles away and only her words led him to his ultimate demise, has never been handled by the courts before, and is thus more likely than usual to be overturned or to have her sentence reduced. If she chooses to appeal the decision, it is reasonably likely that the judge who oversees the appeal process will not agree with the lower judge's decision and perhaps drop the charges down to some combination of harassment or bullying. An appeal would also likely be granted that the evidence that she directly led him to step back into the truck, which this judge positioned as the core argument for the conviction, was based on her texts three months after the fact rather than a recording or transcript of what exactly was said. Another judge may argue that because we do not know exactly what happened in the young man's final moments, we cannot know beyond reasonable doubt that she was responsible for his actions.

Whether or not her conviction is ultimately overturned, she has strong grounds to file an appeal and challenge this unusual case.

 

[Omadahl]

She should have become a cop first and she could have just murdered her outright.

 

[Volimar]

The mental illness posts are interesting. Though I firmly believe she is completely responsible for her actions, I wonder if cases like this will be seen as a branching out of a kind of social media Munchhausen syndrome by proxy.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

You're either an empathetic person or you're not. If you only empathise with people when it's easy to do so, your empathy means as much as a platitude.

You are correct. I do struggle to place myself in the shoes of murderers.

Sorry, I guess.

She was diagnosed with clinical depression. Whether that was causative is anyone's guess. She probably has at least one personality disorder as well. Her actions are consistent with narcissistic personality disorder.

It's good to know GAF is up to the task of diagnosing mental illness.

Her actions are also consistent with sociopathy, go figure.

 

[Aurean_Mentat]

I'm just saying, as someone suffering from clinical depression, anxiety, and other things, that there's a poster on the wall at the disability department in my college.

'No matter what you got going on inside, your behavior is on you'

I was suicidal for a span of years. When evaluating the texts and other things this chick sent, my blood was chilled. I think a prison term is a bit much, but I do think that there should be a list for sociopaths. If there's a sex offender registry, and the logic supporting that, then there needs to be a registry with a negative social stigma for people this incredibly manipulative.

Because while she might not have personally shoved him in the car and locked him in, this goes a few fucking star systems beyond just 'bullying'.

 

[Fast Forward]

I understand why the ACLU is wary but I still feel it was the correct decision. There needs to be culpability with intentionally encouraging someone you know is suicidal, especially in the commission of the act.

Yep.

I'm a big fan of the ACLU, and think they are often wrongly criticized by many from the right, including Fox, but in this case, ACLU is wrong. I'm sorry, but free speech has its limits. Same as you yell "bomb" on a airplane, or verbally threaten the president's life, you should be able to mentally abuse someone like she did.

Like, I'm liberal as they come, but yeah, the Judge made the right decision here. A person like this should be put behind bars.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Yep.

I'm a big fan of the ACLU, and think they are often wrongly criticized by many from the right, including Fox, but in this case, ACLU is wrong. I'm sorry, but free speech has its limits. Same as you yell "bomb" on a airplane, or verbally threaten the president's life, you should be able to mentally abuse someone like she did.

Like, I'm liberal as they come, but yeah, the Judge made the right decision here. A person like this should be put behind bars.

Word. Come the fuck on. You know what he about to do. Call the cops and his momma. He could have made it through that bad day.

 

[lvl99 Pixel]

The mental illness posts are interesting. Though I firmly believe she is completely responsible for her actions, I wonder if cases like this will be seen as a branching out of a kind of social media Munchhausen syndrome by proxy.

She has to be held responsible obviously, but at the same time its more evidence of how much of a total failure the mental health treatment system really is (on both accounts). This kind of scenario happens all the fucking time, but you just don't hear about the other suicides that happen every day.

 

[Exploratory]

Hey it's me. Yeah me. Live and in stereo. And all 13 of these tapes are for you.

Real talk though throw the book at her.

 

[AtomskEater]

Jesus. I never actually read the texts before, but she flipped from telling him to get help to helping him plan it and goading him on in like 1-2 weeks.

 

[HStallion]

Mental illness isn't some get out of jail free card, literally or figuratively. You can still be an absolute piece of shit and be mentally ill, one doesn't beget the other but it also doesn't mean you can't be both. Just like when people use the mental illness defense for someone who does or says something overtly racist and/or bigoted, that doesn't somehow let them off or show that they aren't racist. Its kind of a hollow thing to say as most people seem to want to use it as a shield and not just another facet of who this person is. She did a horrible thing and she might be mentally ill, she still performed a repulsive act.

 

[n!smo]

She was diagnosed with clinical depression. Whether that was causative is anyone's guess. She probably has at least one personality disorder as well. Her actions are consistent with narcissistic personality disorder.

Well then send all of those "social media influencers" to the psychiatry.

 

[lvl99 Pixel]

Mental illness isn't some get out of jail free card, literally or figuratively. You can still be an absolute piece of shit and be mentally ill, one doesn't beget the other but it also doesn't mean you can't be both. Just like when people use the mental illness defense for someone who does or says something overtly racist and/or bigoted, that doesn't somehow let them off or show that they aren't racist. Its kind of a hollow thing to say as most people seem to want to use it as a shield and not just another facet of who this person is. She did a horrible thing and she might be mentally ill, she still performed a repulsive act.

how do you discern where to draw the line? its so fucking difficult, and people are so quick to define someone as pure evil without even attempting to understand how a person gets to that point in the first place. Thus we get a never ending, and constantly more common scenario like this one where they were 100% incompatible to the point where this guy takes his own life.

Im not going to defend her actions, but god damn do they require examination.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Yep the age of "it's just words" is over as it should be. Words can kill.

This is an extremely unusual case and you should not expect other juries to ever use this as precedent.

Jesus. I never actually read the texts before, but she flipped from telling him to get help to helping him plan it and goading him on in like 1-2 weeks.

It comes off sort off at first like she figured he wouldn't do it and if she told him to shit or get off the pot he'd realize he doesn't want to. By the later parts I don't even know what she was thinking.

Mental illness isn't some get out of jail free card, literally or figuratively. You can still be an absolute piece of shit and be mentally ill, one doesn't beget the other but it also doesn't mean you can't be both. Just like when people use the mental illness defense for someone who does or says something overtly racist and/or bigoted, that doesn't somehow let them off or show that they aren't racist. Its kind of a hollow thing to say as most people seem to want to use it as a shield and not just another facet of who this person is. She did a horrible thing and she might be mentally ill, she still performed a repulsive act.

I would be surprised if she ends up with all that much jail time - she's facing 20 years, but its a weird case and she was charged as a youthful offender.

 

[Elitist1945]

I just saw screenshots on Facebook of their conversation up until what I assume was the point he killed himself. Not sure if they're real since there wasn't a source but I cried reading them either way.

 

[rjinaz]

I just saw screenshots on Facebook of their conversation up until what I assume was the point he killed himself. Not sure if they're real since there wasn't a source but I cried reading them either way.

Likely real. Not sure how anything fake could be worse than what actually happened. This thread about this case disturbed me greatly. Ugh. Poor man.

 

[KojiKnight]

I just saw screenshots on Facebook of their conversation up until what I assume was the point he killed himself. Not sure if they're real since there wasn't a source but I cried reading them either way.

Most news articles had some or all of the messages in them so they are likely real. I read them too, they are straight awful. No sane person could have found her innocent.

 

[Trojan X]

Funnily, I've noticed alot more support for this monster on FB. According to some she was a victim of his depression and suicidal thoughts. Apparently she was so mentally abused by him that he brainwashed her into think suicide was the best for him.

I think she is evil incarnate.

Idiotic people cannot be helped. Saying that she is mentally ill without evaluation is ignorant and dismissive. Like Chappelle said, maybe that part of society is a little sick.

Now, regarding this girl, she deserves to burn and the judge thinks so too.

 

[SapientWolf]

You are correct. I do struggle to place myself in the shoes of murderers.

Sorry, I guess.



It's good to know GAF is up to the task of diagnosing mental illness.

Her actions are also consistent with sociopathy, go figure.

Sociopathy isn't an actual mental disorder. Neither is psychopathy.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

Sociopathy isn't an actual mental disorder. Neither is psychopathy.

If we're counting narcissistic personality disorder as mental illness, then surely we should count antisocial personality disorder (which is, for all intents and purposes, sociopathy) as mental illness as well.

 

[Sanjuro]

Check out @NBCNews's Tweet: https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/893185748278575105?s=09

Sentencing is in. 2.5 years.

 

[Deleted member 20415]

damn... that doesn't seem like a helluva lot of time to serve for something as evil as this.

 

[Sunster]

damn... that doesn't seem like a helluva lot of time to serve for something as evil as this.

more than I thought she'd get. I thought she'd get the ruling overturned and walk.

 

[Vyrance]

That's not much time at all, will probably be out in 1 1/2 years