Girls - Season 2 - Sundays on HBO
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Yeah, I thought the same. That happened so quickly too .
So that's why it was really funny tonight...
I'm pretty sure this is it.
Well, let me reprhase that: It's the first episode not to be credited to Lena. But this is her show, she edits every script and they break the story in their room together.
Wait...what? Really?
Because I honestly was thinking this episode was really good...
Hours Left
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I just want more scenes of Elijah and Marnie talking to each other.
Disappointing if so, I'd have liked to have seen more of him.
i cant take him seriously as a dramatic actor, that entire argument sounded so strange and off.
Rookje
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Go on...
And how hot was Marine this ep?
Also I loved the part where Hannah is watching a how to youtube video. I do that all the time.
Cornballer
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- Promo for next week's episode *please spoiler tag any discussion*
EDIT: Slate.com on tonight's episode
EDIT: Slate.com on tonight's episode
Rookje
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Ex GF had an @aim.com account.
-Pyromaniac-
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you did the right thing.
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yeah the show needs more of them
Hours Left
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Her delivery of that line was amazing.
RatskyWatsky
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Pretty good stuff tonight, though I didn't find it as funny as previous episodes. I thought Hannah's fight with Sandy was pretty good though, if not a little too meta for my tastes.
lol wow
lol wow
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He wasn't really a character, more of a plot point/catalyst.
Which makes his speech to Hannah and the end even more apt.
He's a republican, is there anything worth of note?
They kept saying that, but he never really shared his beliefs or did anything that conflicted with the others outright. It was just 'he's a republican, we can't hang out with him'. He didn't seem republican at all, he was just like them.
True, true - I just expected more though.
We got a sense of his beliefs. Hannah accused him of certain positions, ones it seemed they had discussed before, on gay marriage and gun control, and he didn't refute any of what Hannah said. Which makes Elijah being a complete asshole to Sandy in the bathroom that much more appropriate. Good for you, Elijah.
That would've been fine if he was on the show for the long haul, but since he's just here for two episodes, them just playing up him being a republican was just pointless.
I just think we should've seen his conservatism more outright. To me, the implication and subtext just didn't work because it was mentioned in passing and there was so little to go off of.
GremlinFool
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This is completely ludicrous. The point of the segments with Glover was to illustrate the willful ignorance/vapidity of Hannah and her cabal. They have such a nebulous conception of the nuance of politics and current affairs (further enforced by Jessa's encounter with Hannah earlier in the episode and her instructing Hannah to read a newspaper) that Elijah's and Hannah's faux outrage is more damning of their respective characters than of Sandy.
I'm a liberal as well, but I don't start kerfuffles with anyone I perceive to be a Republican without further substantiation of their views or civil discourse preceding it. In fact, it's wholly inappropriate to pillory every Republican for opposing view points and eradicating any semblance of ideological substantiation. Elijah was immature and out of line, and I'm sure that Dunham was intending upon him coming across that way (the infantilization of the characters on this show is practically the thematic crux of the series so far). Advocating for that sort of behavior? Ridiculous.
I wonder where they're taking this Adam thing.
Things I liked:
- Lots of great lines this week, pretty much from everyone. The argument scenes all worked for me.
- "And can you help me get juice number 5 from the fridge?"... I got a chuckle out of that. (Last week I was just reading an advertorial for a 5-day juice cleanse in a city zine. It's like three hundred thirty bucks.)
- Marnie's uniform. oh boy.
- George's comment to Elijah about knowing who he is.
Things I didn't like:
- The Jessa character tends to be so distant to the rest of the group. Parts of S1 was like this as well. (Is the nature of her character harder to write?)
- Thomas John... Anytime I see him I just want him to get off the screen (and go back to the awesome IT Crowd)
- A few of the shots in this episode were off. Hannah didn't have a puppy in her shirt when the camera focused on Jessa. (How great was it that she stuffed the dog down her shirt?) Sandy's body language was off too, in their scene.
- The Sandy-Hannah thing was too short for my tastes. We barely know of Glover's character and didn't see anything brew. I would've preferred more than one scene on it.
Things I liked:
- Lots of great lines this week, pretty much from everyone. The argument scenes all worked for me.
- "And can you help me get juice number 5 from the fridge?"... I got a chuckle out of that. (Last week I was just reading an advertorial for a 5-day juice cleanse in a city zine. It's like three hundred thirty bucks.)
- Marnie's uniform. oh boy.
- George's comment to Elijah about knowing who he is.
Things I didn't like:
- The Jessa character tends to be so distant to the rest of the group. Parts of S1 was like this as well. (Is the nature of her character harder to write?)
- Thomas John... Anytime I see him I just want him to get off the screen (and go back to the awesome IT Crowd)
- A few of the shots in this episode were off. Hannah didn't have a puppy in her shirt when the camera focused on Jessa. (How great was it that she stuffed the dog down her shirt?) Sandy's body language was off too, in their scene.
- The Sandy-Hannah thing was too short for my tastes. We barely know of Glover's character and didn't see anything brew. I would've preferred more than one scene on it.
The Sandy/Hannah thing was literally a reaction from Dunham to the race complaints. Other than as a novelty Hannah didn't know what to do with Sandy because he wasn't part of her world. He's black. He's Republican. He seems to have his shit together and is working towards a set goal. It's Dunham saying "You're asking me to do stuff that will not come organically, it will just be a novelty and I won't really know what to do with it in the end." And she did it in a way that shed a bad light on her (Hannah's) limited worldview and acknowledged it.
In the end I thought "write what you know" was a quality we liked from writers. Dunham has her thing. She's putting it out there and if you like her thing watch it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. She doesn't have to change in order to fit what anyone else finds appropriate. Girls doesn't purport to being some sort of "a slice of life from Brooklyn."
In the end I thought "write what you know" was a quality we liked from writers. Dunham has her thing. She's putting it out there and if you like her thing watch it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. She doesn't have to change in order to fit what anyone else finds appropriate. Girls doesn't purport to being some sort of "a slice of life from Brooklyn."
whaaaat that's the end of glover?! i liked his character in that episode and it's a shame he was just used for some brief commentary on politics in inter-personal relationships when it comes to people like hannah who define themselves so much through specific political opinions, as well as some meta commentary on race. i think there was potential in having hannah date someone very different to adam and sandy deal with the stresses of hannah and would like to have seen in taken to its ends with someone as likeable as glover playing sandy.
enjoyed the episode in general though!
haha same. that was nicely observed, especially with the goofiness of how you look following them and the confusion of the hair cutting video.
enjoyed the episode in general though!
haha same. that was nicely observed, especially with the goofiness of how you look following them and the confusion of the hair cutting video.
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A few quick comments from the EP's on last night's episode:
- Willa Paskin talks with Jenni Konner on Salon.com
- NY Mag with Lena Dunham
- Willa Paskin talks with Jenni Konner on Salon.com
- NY Mag with Lena Dunham
Yeah, I noticed that too..especially the way Sandy shifts between shots during their argument.
That was the weakest of the story and it hit a bit too close to home. It was all quite weirdly put together.
I also thought part of the point was that Hannah doesn't really give a shit about the political angle--it only became an issue once be didn't like her essay. Sandy identifies quickly that he's not the target audience for her style, but Hannah is so self-absorbed she thinks her writing should be for "everyone". If Sandy doesn't like it, clearly he must be defective, so she starts trying to bait him with politics because that's something she knows her friends will back her on.
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Cornballer
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No, that's bullshit. It's clear from the show that Sandy and Hannah have had this talk before concerning gay marriage. Hannah mentions it as such when they finally blow up at each other later. I'm not defending Hannah, but in the case of Elijah, good for him. He's not acting immature and out of line -- if Sandy has expressed to Hannah that he doesn't believe in gay marriage (which it sounds like he has), Elijah has every damn right to make Sandy as uncomfortable as possible. Because Sandy holds a position that's cancerous to Elijah's very life.
Does that excuse Hannah from getting mad at Sandy solely because he didn't like her writing? No. That was as narcissistic as it gets, especially because Hannah attempted to graph other issues over the real problem. It also doesn't change what Jessa stated, that Hannah is truly ignorant to world affairs and holds a political position without truly understanding the world around her. This is all true. But it doesn't change the fact that Sandy holds those positions and one of them is particularly scarring to Elijah.
In that particular scene, Elijah did nothing wrong. Good on him. Sandy deserved it. If you're against gay marriage and hanging out with a gay person, and then attempt to feel bad for them when their relationship goes south, you absolutely deserved to be treated the way Elijah treated Sandy. Because as much as Elijah and Hannah are immature, it's a completely ignorant and bigoted political viewpoint. Elijah and Hannah being generally immature people doesn't excuse Sandy from holding a position that's hurtful.
It's not black and white -- here is a character we're adding to show that our main characters don't understand the world and other people! It's more complicated than that. He may hold different viewpoints, and hell, he's probably more knowledgable about those viewpoints than anyone else in that group is. But it doesn't change the fact that one of the viewpoints he holds is toxic towards a particular character, and that it's okay for Elijah to make him uncomfortable if Sandy doesn't respect him.
naw that's possible. a buddy of mine forgot to pay an outstanding ticket for riding a train without a ticket and got a letter saying they had issued a warrant on him. nobody's going to come looking for you, but if you get pulled over or whatever they that'll come back up.
it's not like he goes to prison here, they just make him appear in front of a judge and pay it probably.
Tim the Wiz
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Nailed it.
It didn't seem like Hannah had a very substantive idea of Sandy's political views - or politics in general. In subtext, just how likely would it be for a young Republican living in the area of NYC that he does, dating the girl that he does, to be anti-gay marriage? I think this was the point: Neither Hannah or any of her friends who interacted with Sandy were willing to truly engage with someone who existed outside their narrow world-view. Instead, he becomes every vague configuration of Republican they know and understand. And - as you note - the way in which Hannah comes to that point is brilliantly narcissistic.
Then why didn't he defend himself when she brought up anti-gay marriage views? Why not? He qualified his statement about guns. He said NOTHING when she brought up gay marriage besides change the subject. The ways in which they talked about those particular viewpoints made it seem like Hannah and Sandy had these discussion beforehand. That's not to excuse ANYTHING Hannah said or did in that conversation, because it was an immature rambling that hid the real source of the problem, but it also doesn't change the fact that he was presented with an option to give the viewers a window into his positions and did nothing to challenge what Hananh said. Not even a "-- but on the state and local level" and then get cut off. None of that.
While he might be there for meta-commentary on the show, he still exists as a character. If he holds a political position that's bigoted and toxic to another character's life, I can't be too mad about the way that Elijah talked to him. Elijah is incredibly immature. But on that particular point, he's not wrong. Especially when Sandy tries to apologize for their break up. Don't try to apologize that they broke up if you don't respect gay relationships enough to believe that gay people should get married. That's bullshit.
And no one in this thread has said that.
no, because there was no dialogue for it. here is what happened in last night's episode:
sandy: i'm republican
hannah: projects everything she believes the word republican stands for in big bold letters
sandy: says nothing political, neither refuting or agreeing with what she says.
you're buying into hannah's projection. note: it's not even everything the republican party stands for, just the social values. the guy may have not been a social conservative, we just don't get to find out because hannah dominates the argument with how bigoted he must be. the guy is a blank canvas that hannah painted a picture of a republican on.
she was the equivalent of the drive-by posting in poli-threads where people take a quick shit on republicans to feel important, that they're on the right side. it's just more hilarious commentary on the internet beta that dunham has been making fun of since the first episode
but uh, lol@you, homie. keep tooting your horn
i mean, i guess if you were not distanced enough from everything that hannah said, that should be jarring in itself, but then you wouldn't be able to recognize that so *shrug*
He also failed to appear in court for public urination or some shit. Adam is awesome.
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