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[digita1alchemy]

They showed what titles are coming between now and E3:

-Zelda
-1, 2 Switch
-Mario Kart
-Arms
-Splatoon 2

I'm sure we'll see a lot more games slated for the second half of 2017 and beyond at E3.

 

[wild wild rice]

Better be some amazing shit in the pipe is all I know.

 

[ThanksVision]

It's very worrying that PORTS like MK8 are coming a month or two after launch. Are they purposefully staggering these releases BECAUSE they have so little games to put out? It seems that way. Honestly my only fear with this thing is the lack of games. I think things will pick up over time and hopefully E3 will shed some light on lots of unannounced titles, but man. It looks like I'm playing like four games on this thing this year?

 

[OnionPowder]

Just wait for E3, like 2016's where they announced a fuckton of new games

 

[HandsomeCharles]

We arent even 2 weeks in 2017 - you really think they announced everything they have in store today ? Come on...apply at least some common sense to it.

Honestly, no. I think they have more in store, but that's not really the point.

This was the presentation that was supposed to get me on board with the platform, to get me hyped. They should have come out all guns blazing and shown us all the different things that are going be on offer. Right now I just feel tepid.

 

[NotLiquid]

I imagine they feel like they have enough leeway for other event announcements and E3 since it'll only be three months after launch.

 

[Duxxy3]

Hopefully 3DS games so ninten not doomed.

 

[mindsale]

This is especially bad though. There are only two retail Nintendo games coming out at launch, one is a minigame collection, and one is a game that they've been making for the Wii U that they've decided to port over. It isn't getting another fully original Nintendo game until the end of 2017.

Uh, Arms and Sla2n are technically out between Zelda and Mario, but yeah. Not really my cup of tea.

I think the most popular Switch game has already been announced.

The Craigslist Adventure.

 

[RichiRamjag]

Wasn't this platform supposed to unify development in such a way that software droughts were a thing of the past? Am I missing something, or is what we saw the fruits of blending handheld and console together?

We were all just kidding ourselves. When I saw Splatoon as a summer release and Mario as a holiday, my heart sunk. Folks talking like arms and 1 2 switch are even major factors is crazy.

 

[teeny]

There must be unannounced software in the pipeline. Is there not another Pikmin in the works? And then Monster Games, Next Level and Retro Studios must be working on something. I fully expect there to be announcements of titles around the launch period and then additional announcements at E3 for autumn / holiday and 2018.

I expect Nintendo want to build hype as we get closer to launch and so left room for announcements in the mean time. I do not, however, expect there to be masses of unannounced titles for launch, especially from third parties.

 

[theechrisfox]

Figuring out how to charge me for games I've already bought before.

I guess an actual battle mode packs a lot of value.

 

[jay]

They should have enough to have shown more games, release more games at launch, and still have new stuff for E3. They are a large video game company that's released few games for years. What have they been doing indeed. At best they are being stupidly conservative and have ten games to show for E3.

Wasn't this platform supposed to unify development in such a way that software droughts were a thing of the past? Am I missing something, or is what we saw the fruits of blending handheld and console together?

I don't blame you since I kind of bought it too, but people need to stop believing Nintendo when they repeat the same thing they've said since the GameCube.

 

[slit]

This is especially bad though. There are only two retail Nintendo games coming out at launch, one is a minigame collection, and one is a game that they've been making for the Wii U that they've decided to port over. It isn't getting another fully original Nintendo game until the end of 2017.

While the lineup is abysmal that isn't true. Unless there is some alternate definition of original that you are trying to invoke.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

I did and you are right. But the Wii had a huge games library in general. Lot's of great 1st party and even quite a few good 3rd party efforts. So there were a lot of games in my backlog which could smooth over the transition. To sum it up: The Wii had lot's of games to play.

On WiiU what has there been to play for the past two years? Almost nothing. So I think the situation here has been a lot worse.

That wasn't my point, it was that they had little to show on Wii U after those barren two years as well.
Hence, this isn't unusual. The simplest explanation is we probably underestimate the effort it takes to start a new console generation.

 

[nynt9]

I think they've revealed everything that will be coming in 2017.

If this is really Nintendo's only system now and handheld and console teams will be working on it, 2018 must be loaded with releases. Disappointing for 2017 though (I mean Mario and Zelda will be great, but would have been nice to see 2 or 3 other big games coming this year.... and where's Retro?!).

Don't you see this is the exact same logic I had in my OP though?

Me: 2015-2016 was bare so I assumed there would be more in the future
You: 2017 is bare so I assume there will be more in 2018

I can't tell anymore if this is the new normal with Nintendo, that's the problem.

Knowing how their games often get delayed, if they aren't showing something until E3 2017, there isn't a great chance we'll get anything major we haven't already seen until like at least mid 2018.

 

[Astral Dog]

So, since the last year or so on the WiiU was rather anemic in terms of first party releases, many people assumed that Nintendo were holding back titles from the WiiU and pushing them to wait for the Switch, and how we should expect a torrent of releases on the system. Given that the launch window is pretty empty in terms of major first party releases beyond Zelda, what was going on with the WiiU? Where are all the games? The launch window lineup being lackluster is made more egregious by the fact that over the past year or two there were few major titles on their previous systems.

Apologies if this thread falls under the "don't react to the Switch yet" rules. I'm looking for a more "state of nintendo over the past years" type of discussion instead of trying to be reactionary.

They clearly didn't show ALL as even from a first perspective there were clear misses like Retros new game. They will show more at E3 im guessing. Rumored things like the Ubisoft games were missing too

If their intention was to impress,however. they failed.

 

[captmcblack]

My hope is that like normal, it's a bunch of stuff they just haven't announced yet. When E3 comes this year, it'll be about 3 months into the system's life, and they'll announce more. Also, I'm sure there'll be a Direct between now and launch with even more information.

I'm not expecting a metric ton of titles, but there's no way they're going to spend the year with the list that exists now.

 

[always crazy bacon]

The 'over 80 titles in development' line from the show is a little concerning however.

Does that include indies?

 

[Jaagen]

I'm guessing today was the spring/launch-window lineup (with the exception of Mario) with E3 beeing the fall reveal. Zelda in March, Mario Kart in April. Arms is probably May and I'm guessing Splatoon in June.

Pikmin (if it's indeed real) is probably August, followed by Smash in September/October and Pokemon Stars + Mario in November.

 

[bomblord1]

They had to save some stuff for e3

 

[Hari Seldon]

Hopefully their resumes.

 

[jonno394]

I'm guessing today was the spring/launch-window lineup (with the exception of Mario) with E3 beeing the fall reveal. Zelda in March, Mario Kart in April. Arms is probably May and I'm guessing Splatoon in June.

Pikmin (if it's indeed real) is probably August, followed by Smash in September/October and Pokemon Stars + Mario in November.

And xenoblade. That's a non launch line up/window title.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

The 'over 80 titles in development' line from the show is a little concerning however.

Indeed.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

I wonder what happens when you force developers to try to come up with a way play with joy-cons.

 

[Matbtz]

It's pretty obvious that Nintendo didn't showed everything that they are developing (and only god knows why).

Maybe wait a bit to have more informations

 

[cws]

This reminds meh of the yearly "where are the 3DS games?"- thread a couple of weeks before e3.

Honestly, no. I think they have more in store, but that's not really the point.

This was the presentation that was supposed to get me on board with the platform, to get me hyped. They should have come out all guns blazing and shown us all the different things that are going be on offer. Right now I just feel tepid.

Nothing wrong with getting the system down the line once you are convinced - launch purchases are for the hardcore fans anyway.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

Nintendo of Japan in-house
Zelda: Botw - March
1 2 Switch - March
Snippercutters? - March
Mario Kart 8 DX - April
Arms - Spring
Splatoon 2 - Summer
Super Mario Odyssey - Fall

Many of their outside 1st party studios are either being held back for E3, or were working on 3DS projects. This is just the first wave. Let's see what happens closer to launch and E3.

 

[Coffinhal]

Game development takes time

Like 10 years

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

It's pretty obvious that Nintendo didn't showed everything that they are developing (and only god knows why).

Maybe wait a bit to have more informations

It's also true that Nintendo don't release everything they are developing, if you catch my drift.

 

[Kingpin Rogers]

I knew this would happen, I mentioned many times that this would just be launch and maybe launch window and everybody said "noooo this will be a blowout" sure they showed some titles that are a while away but I guarantee they have a lot of titles to show at e3 that will release in 2017. It's just Nintendo being Nintendo, start worrying about 2017 software if we lack announcements at e3.

 

[The_Ayertosco]

This is especially bad though. There are only two retail Nintendo games coming out at launch, one is a minigame collection, and one is a game that they've been making for the Wii U that they've decided to port over. It isn't getting another fully original Nintendo game until the end of 2017.

Like ARMS and Splatoon 2?

 

[mcfrank]

And why was every one on stage a hardware lead and the lead of a game. Do they have 20 people working at this company? I really hoped Nintendo had learned the right lessons from the Wii U but that is not the case. If MARIO wasn't going to make launch then kart, splatoon, a pikmin trilogy, GameCube VC library, and Zelda certainly should have. This launch lineup is a joke.

 

[Pandy]

Excluding slippages, the furthest out game we saw was Holiday 2017.

This isn't all Nintendo have been working on.

 

[Tiops]

Stuff that hasn't been announced yet?

Why would they not announce games during one of the most important moments to announce games? They should be trying to give us a reason to buy the new console.

E3?

Nintendo doesn't have a major presence in E3 since a long time.

 

[Esiquio]

I had this same question. Maybe there were tons of people working on Zelda, especially at the end there. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than the rest of us could give us a breakdown of the different groups at NoJ and what they are likely working on.

I didn't want to make a separate topic, but seriously, what the FUCK has Retro been working on the past 2-3 years? Like, REALLY, what is going on with them??!!

 

[VDenter]

They will probably announce Retro Studios new game this year perhaps at E3 . They usually show us what they have been working on every 3 years or so.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

They should have shown what Retro is being working on, they are idiots if they are saving stuff for E3, this was the time to go all out and tell people why should they buy your console when the other consoles have hundreds of games and can be bought at around the same price and sometimes even cheaper

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

Making ice cubes and learning magic tricks.

Serious answer: Didn't they relatively recently merged their in house studios together and into a new building? I imagine that might have delayed some of their internal projects.

 

[maxcriden]

They showed what titles are coming between now and E3:

-Zelda
-1, 2 Switch
-Mario Kart
-Arms
-Splatoon 2

I'm sure we'll see a lot more games slated for the second half of 2017 and beyond at E3.

Agreed. I think Mario was the only H2 2017 title they showed for NA (since Xenoblade is probably only H2 in Japan), and Nintendo usually shows at E3 previously unannounced titles that will still release the same year. I can't imagine Mario is the only H2 title in NA.

 

[Kingpin Rogers]

Why would they not announce games during one of the most important moments to announce games? They should be trying to give us a reason to buy the new console.




Nintendo doesn't have a major presence in E3 since a long time.

Since maybe 2014 if you're talking about new game announcements. Otherwise you're talking out of your ass.
Also Nintendo Directs can come back more regularly now.

 

[NippleViking]

Does that include indies?

That's all that was said. I presume it counts everything.

 

[NotLiquid]

Don't you see this is the exact same logic I had in my OP though?

Me: 2015-2016 was bare so I assumed there would be more in the future
You: 2017 is bare so I assume there will be more in 2018

I can't tell anymore if this is the new normal with Nintendo, that's the problem.

Knowing how their games often get delayed, if they aren't showing something until E3 2017, there isn't a great chance we'll get anything major we haven't already seen until like at least mid 2018.

I get the feeling that fans assume a little too much out of Nintendo's game dev cycles. One of the most common complaints I recall about E3 2014 for Nintendo, a display that a lot of people called one of their best in recent history, was that so much of what they announced there was 2015 titles, or titles that had already been in development for extended periods of time - yet I think a lot of people would agree that 2014 was a fantastic year in terms of quality Nintendo games despite it mostly being games we'd known about for a long time, and even though 2015 had a terrible E3 presentation, it still saw great titles like Xenoblade X, Yoshi's Woolly World and Super Mario Maker.

In reality I feel like occam's razor suggests it doesn't seem like these titles trickle out any differently than you'd expect from most studios or major publishers. There's usually a fairly solid Nintendo game once every two-three months when they're still in active support of their console. The problem comes with the fact that no one else other than Nintendo is, and they're only capable of doing so much on their own. It forces them to shoulder more of the games because of it and we expect them to always be active in putting out and revealing games.

I want to hope that Nintendo's internal development teams don't shy away from making smaller titles on the Switch with 3DS-sized budgets. It could really make the difference for them.

 

[SmokedMeat]

It happened with Wii U as well. Wii was dead for a couple years it was expected that these teams were producing Wii U content.

This "full focus" of Nintendo's handheld and console teams isn't true. The 3DS isn't being phased out. They're still going to support it as well as mobile.

 

[Strings]

Excluding slippages, the furthest out game we saw was Holiday 2017.

This isn't all Nintendo have been working on.

Eh, I have an extremely tough time believing Xenoblade 2 is even early 2018.

 

[RichiRamjag]

It's almost like they will announce and release more games later on!

And I'd be fine with it if they actually had more than Zelda at launch.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

They don't get the benefit of the doubt after the wii/wii u transition

That's dumb. They literally admitted to having to get a hang of HD development with that transition and that's why games took so long

 

[DigSCCP]

That's the most important question after the Switch reveal.
Nobody will have a good answer because simply there is no good answer for this.
My thoughts : Nintendo still strugling with HD development.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

Probably trying to figure how many ice cubes are in a glass. We have Zelda...and that's about it as far as most people are concerned. Even at that it has been delayed for years and again to be a launch title. How embarrassing. If the Switch fails then it's Nintendo's own fault.

 

[SporeCrawler]

xenoblade 2 is like this year.. just sayin

Eh, I have an extremely tough time believing Xenoblade 2 is even early 2018.

yes and yet they said 2017. maybe they will delay maybe they wont

 

[jdstorm]

They should have shown what Retro is being working on, they are idiots if they are saving stuff for E3, this was the time to go all out and tell people why should they buy your console when the other consoles have hundreds of games and can be bought at around the same price and sometimes even cheaper

Yep. Even just a title card with a name. Its not like Nintendo havent cancled things they have publicly shown. "Project Giant Robot" says Hi