Wandering Leopard
Member
I don't want to read everything but it seems like SSM have made a direct sequel for the people who loved 2018 - which sounds perfect to me.
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And it's always the same gymwolf and slimysnake who derailed countless amount of threads with their stupid graphic fetishism
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CamHostage
Member
You would have wanted one game in 2024/2025 instead of two games in near that same period?
I guess I get that ultra level of standards of expectations, but they're games, not masterworks in a time capsule waiting to be unleashed. Stuff needs to be produced, people need to work, and this is how the SSM schedule shook out.
Sony Santa Monica's "first" next-gen game probably won't be a God of War. They have other stuff going, it's a "1.5 Studio" and they have Barlog's project on deck, which is very likely experimenting with all the new technology that second-wave 2023/202X games are working into their engines this gen like virtualized geometry and a tile-based streaming system and dynamic GI and all the fun stuff. They've also suffered great setbacks (including the Stig game cancelation and his departure in 2014,) and God of War projects have saved the studio from themselves and this idea that they need to be exceptionalists at all costs. (Had they not pivoted to GoW 2018 immediately after Stig's project fell apart, the studio may have not made it, and had a GoW sequel not been fast-tracked after 2018 despite Barlog again moving on to the next thing, again they might have had trouble, or might have had to dip into this new territory of "remaking" their past hits as tentpole new titles.)
They go into some of the dark times in the Raising Kratos documentary (also, they show the "Internal-7" project for a sec 8 minutes in.)
I'd love for SSM to have been ready for this gen right at the start, or to be at that same level of cranking speed that got two GoWs out in the PS2 era (despite the first game being 5 years into the PS2's lifespan; they did Kinetica on PS2, although a lot of studios did 3 games or more a gen back then,) or two GoWs out on PS3 (and GoW Ascension gets forgotten a lot as the not-GoW3 God of War, but at least it tried something unique with multiplayer.) However, they haven't been on that trajectory for a while (very few studios have been quick like that in recent times, unfortunately... one, really, Insomniac) and this is where they are now. They missed 2021 (and are way later into 2022 with their first-in-gen project than everybody had hoped) but it's done and now they gear up for the next thing.
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remember_spinal
Banned
People act as if developing games is like putting something on an assembly line in factory. As if its no big deal for devs, espeiallly on the level of SIE to put out games of this caliber and polish. Marvel just pushed back their entire line up of movies they announced a couple of months ago already.
People don’t account for the human element of game development. We had a global pandemic that forced everyone to pack their shit up and work from home. If you watched the last GOWR behind the scenes video they put out they talk about how they had to have less people doing motion capture because of it. Everyone got their asses kicked the past two years and people thought since we got a bunch of games in 2020 when the pandemic started that its effects werent gonna be felt in gaming. These are the actual residual effects of the pandemic.
I remember a developer, maybe it was Barlog saying that its a miracle any game launches with how hectic it all is. Then add to the fact that the game also has to be innovative and high quality consistently.
Not to mention…..
Aka shit happens and the game was supposed to come out last year with horizon fw and gt7, but shit got pushed back. It’s commendable that despite everything that happened Sony still managed to have a consistent output of games 1st and 3rd party.
I don’t see any of their upcoming big single player games being cross-gen after this point and I doubt they ever were.
People don’t account for the human element of game development. We had a global pandemic that forced everyone to pack their shit up and work from home. If you watched the last GOWR behind the scenes video they put out they talk about how they had to have less people doing motion capture because of it. Everyone got their asses kicked the past two years and people thought since we got a bunch of games in 2020 when the pandemic started that its effects werent gonna be felt in gaming. These are the actual residual effects of the pandemic.
I remember a developer, maybe it was Barlog saying that its a miracle any game launches with how hectic it all is. Then add to the fact that the game also has to be innovative and high quality consistently.
Not to mention…..
Aka shit happens and the game was supposed to come out last year with horizon fw and gt7, but shit got pushed back. It’s commendable that despite everything that happened Sony still managed to have a consistent output of games 1st and 3rd party.
I don’t see any of their upcoming big single player games being cross-gen after this point and I doubt they ever were.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Do we have confirmation what what we saw was in engine/gameplay? Or mock up cinematic?
ABnormal
Member
There is also to take in consideration that at some point they decided to end the north saga in this game, and the project became much bigger. If it would go as planned before, as the second chapter of a trilogy, it would be completed one year before.
remember_spinal
Banned
Yeah, Cory said with the way game development is going they didn’t want to take 15 years to do another trilogy. If they had made this part 2 of 3, part 3 would be out in 2026 and look like a completely different game again. Sometimes you just gotta strike while the iron is hot and not draw things out for the sake of it.
I also feel like being a trilogy is what hurt the story of HFW. The entire 3rd arc just felt like a set up for the next game.
The other benefits is unlike some other games these two games can be played back to back on both systems, complete. No need for a remaster, remake, or back-port, a nice double feature series
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Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
I don't know how anyone could go back to Led from Oled. Nothing wrong with Oled whites either. When I was first getting into TVs I was obsessed and tried out high oled and led tvs and Oled is so much nicer.
wvnative
Member
Make no mistake, I miss the PQ of my oled, but my mind is at peace. It's not oled level but my X95J certainly isn't ugly.
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abacab driver
Banned
The way the game is designed, you're not even allowed the freedom to simply jump onto objects...but you think Kratos is gonna just hop down there and tear up that whole patch of land?
This is a ps4 game, it's not that kind of party.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
no confirmation but i doubt it was a mockup cinematic since they go into details about the over the shoulder camera in the PS Blog along with info on motion capture for facial animations and screenshots that look in game. Even if its a cinematic, its a realtime one.
Silent Hill 2 remake revealed, first gameplay details and design changes announced
Konami and Bloober Team on how they're reimagining the horror classic for PS5.
blog.playstation.com
Go back and read the discussion, and tell me if it was ME who derailed it. All I said was in reply to a person who didnt like hearing 'more of the same' from the previews. I actually defended the game and said they were never going to reinvent the franchise just one game later. I called the first game pretty much perfect and that its hard to top perfection. All I said was that they couldve given us a HZD to HFW style upgrade WITHOUT going next gen like TLOU1 to TLOU2 and then it turned into a graphics discussion. Even then I did NOT bring up Silent Hill.
I actually ignored James' first post about Silent Hill looking better (hardest fucking thing ive had to do all week) and only engaged in another poster's queries about whether or not SH2 was realtime or a concept art. I ignored several more replies to me before finally deciding to reply to people accusing me of having some kind of agenda even though my GOTY last year was It Takes Two, a cross gen game, even though I got shat on for daring to say Hades was a better rougelike than the next gen only Returnal, and even though I tout HFW as the best looking game every chance I get.
So yes, at that point, I decided to go all in. But even then I wrote and deleted several posts with fancy Matrix and Unity Engine Lion gifs because of fear of derailing further. I even chose not to reply to Cam Hostage to prevent it from derailing even more and yet here we are.
Lastly, I can assure you, it's not just Gymwolf and I. The first few pages of this thread were full of people voicing their disapproval. Gymwolf and I just stick around to engage in discussion with you lot since I figured the nice thing to do to a person replying to you would to actually reply back. Something that from now on I will avoid.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Man I hope so, I thought it looked fantastic and was exactly how I envisioned a modern remake of SH2 to look like.no confirmation but i doubt it was a mockup cinematic since they go into details about the over the shoulder camera in the PS Blog along with info on motion capture for facial animations and screenshots that look in game. Even if its a cinematic, its a realtime one.
Silent Hill 2 remake revealed, first gameplay details and design changes announced
Konami and Bloober Team on how they're reimagining the horror classic for PS5.
sankt-Antonio
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It’s individual pixels being lit, light illuminates it’s surroundings. It’s a matter of display coatings. How would another Oled display tech mitigate that ?
Boneless
Member
Same, Kratos would slap you bitches.
In any case, in if you're a graphics ho, what are you doing playing on a console?
Dibils2k
Member
mate i used to be a Warm 2 color hater.. but now i cant go back to medium or cool, they look so wrong! but it took me some time to get used to, now everything looks way more pure
Also OLED isnt for everyone, if you want a overbrightened picture then LED will always pop more, to me i hate local dimming and HDR is ruined by local dimming, with it dimming dark areas that also dims small bright elements
At the end its what you prefer but to me OLED is far superior with ABL being the only real annoyance for me, i do think OLED owners can be annoying with their hyperbole lol
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
95? GOW 2018 is a 94 and you can say the same about it. Criticism is not allowed - oh well, it is, except a full defence force is ready to strike as soon as they smell a thread with the slightest criticism to their Holy Grail of Gaming.
EVERY SINGLE great game has hyperbole around it, and stans ready to silence any valid criticism.
Didn’t you just open a thread about “squeezing through cracks”, after all? That’s exactly what we’re talking about here. Squeezing through cracks is the “weapon durability” of cinematic games - one feature that’s been overblown by detractors, but can still be a valid point of criticism.
It must be said though, the blatant hyperbole from “journalists” and “critics” is doing wonders in keeping the flames ablaze. Some of these discussions may be a little chiller, but Twitter is a thing.
Die Namek Ability
Member
Yep i take some blame for the derail as well. Thats why i stopped posting. Not just your fault for sure.
tommib
Banned
If nothing else, we share a love for realistic bloody gore.Call me a psycho, but i'm happy that we have human enemies with red blood instead of those wood zombies with orange shit
Imagine the heavy attack with R2 on humans...
Wandering Leopard
Member
Kratos now does flower fetching mini quests tho...
The angry/revenge Kratos is pretty much done, and it's a good thing; one note characters - and characters who don't exhibit growth/change - are boring.
SLB1904
Banned
Kratos ain't no villain. What you on about?
Kratos didn't go in a killing rampage because he wanted to.
You and your weird takes lol
Bragr
Banned
No, it's the writing that determines how interesting a character is, not growth or change, that's just a tool.
Corpsepyre
Banned
From the Gamingbible preview:
I was anxious for the game, but now sign me the fuck up!
I was anxious for the game, but now sign me the fuck up!
Gudji
Member
AutumnLeaves
Member
I'm not saying he's going to go down there and explore. Maybe as the game progresses he will visit those areas?
abacab driver
Banned
Sure that is entirely possible..games have done that since Ninja Gaiden/Castlevania on NES when you look at the castle from afar.
But that doesn't change anything I've said about those 2 vistas that were being compared visually with no context as to why they look that way.
One is actually there in real time and the other one isn't, period.
Not to say the illusion doesn't look pretty, but context is everything.
Even if From Software were as talented on the visual front as Sony Santa Monica, there's no way Elden Ring could be as detailed given how the game is designed and how big it is.
3liteDragon
Member
2021 trailer.
Retail version.
Retail version.
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Represent.
Banned
The power of color grading.2021 trailer.
Retail version.
SLB1904
Banned
Represent.
Banned
Educate yourself.
The Power Of Color Grading And The Benefit It Can Have On Your Work Summarized In Two Minutes
If you aren't applying any color grading to either your photographs or motion work, you are potentially missing a vital part of the process of finalizing your image. Color grading can be one of the most impactful tweaks you can make to your work once it’s been shot. It has the potential to...
fstoppers.com
Theres some harder lighting used as well, but this is mostly colour grading.
And yes, hard light is a term.
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SLB1904
Banned
Educate yourself.
The Power Of Color Grading And The Benefit It Can Have On Your Work Summarized In Two Minutes
If you aren't applying any color grading to either your photographs or motion work, you are potentially missing a vital part of the process of finalizing your image. Color grading can be one of the most impactful tweaks you can make to your work once it’s been shot. It has the potential to...
Theres some harder lighting used as well, but this is mostly colour grading.
And yes, hard light is a term.
Jesus christ what's wrong with you.
The update version has the moonlight reflection. Look at the texture on Freyas leather.
The reflection on her skin. That's not color grading. We both know you are wrong but you going to try die on that hill lol
Whitecrow
Banned
You are wrong mate. Take a relaxing pill.
The lighting engine did not make that scene on itself. Artists spend a lot of time tweaking that lighting (hue, brightness, saturation...) to enhance each scene.
Theres such thing as color theory and how different colors can bring different emotions, so to speak.
So no. That scene is not a product of having better lighting or whatever. Is product of a team of artists choosing carefully that colors specifically.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
playsaves3
Banned
It’s more the horizon miles 120hz where it’s unlocked framerate so it will likely be 80-120 like those games
remember_spinal
Banned
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[Sigma]
Member
2021 trailer.
Retail version.
Umbral
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Pimpbaa
Member
More like 60-80fps in those games. Still nice though.
SLB1904
Banned
Whitecrow
Banned
It hurts seeing you putting all that effort on missing the point thoJust say it.
UPGRADE
it won't hurt i promise
mitchman
Gold Member
Yes, all of it.
Jayjayhd34
Member
Time to be careful just seen leaked footage of Thor fight.
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Go_Ly_Dow
Member
So glad to hear that. I recall hearing for a while that C9 owners got shafted and LG wasn't going to update it or something.
mitchman
Gold Member
I have the B9 and it's still great and supports HDMI 2.1 (full 48Gbps bandwidth), VRR, 120Hz and all. Not in a rush to upgrade it, tbh.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Same, now that I know it supports these features I'm more than happy to get around another 3 years of out it. Will upgrade around the time the C4-C5 launches.
CartesianMan
Member
I heard that they will twist the narrative in TLOU2 fashion.