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Google I/O 2010 Thread of Moving to the Clouds and eating Froyo

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TheOMan

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Zombie James said:
That font API is rediculous. I'm having one of those "why hasn't anyone else thought of this before?" moments.
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What font api? Sorry - I missed part of the keynote. :/

Edit: Nevermind - I see it was in giga's post.
 
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OriginalThinking

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Mudkips said:
When is my Nexus One going to say "Hey, touch this to update me and make me less slow!"?
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Well excluding that the phone isn't slow in the first place (have you used the hero or g1! :D ) Froyo related announcements will be made tomorrow and any likely update would be in June. Unless Google pull a huge suprise and time the update with the keynote. Which would probably make me wet my pants.
 
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SimleuqiR

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OriginalThinking said:
Well excluding that the phone isn't slow in the first place (have you used the hero or g1! :D ) Froyo related announcements will be made tomorrow and any likely update would be in June. Unless Google pull a huge suprise and time the update with the keynote. Which would probably make me wet my pants.
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I don't see why our Beta phones won't get this update like Friday. :lol
 
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OriginalThinking

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SimleuqiR said:
I don't see why our Beta phones won't get this update like Friday. :lol
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Hell i'm rooted anyway, so over the air updates are out of the question for me. Couldn't wait for the official updated kernel to free up the over 256mb of ram. No doubt someone will make the rom available for update anyway over the interweb.
 
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maliedoo

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Froyo reminds me of....


frodo.jpg




...dont ask.


froyo%20230x230.jpg



..this too.
 
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LCfiner

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giga said:
Lots of work to do. :/ Same source/bitrate and encoding optimizations.

Theora
VP8
H.264


They all look the same to me?
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theora looks pretty awful but I feel the vp8 and h264 encodings would be close enough on 480p (maybe even 720p) video to be worth the tradeoff.

at 1080p, the differences are way more obvious but very few videos are encoded at such a high res, anyway. I figure vp8 can improve by the time 1080p streaming is more commonplace.
 
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ThatObviousUser

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From Zencoder:

Also, VP8 will get better as its encoders get better. Even with the same codec, the difference between one encoder and another can be huge. When H.264 was first released, it wasn’t that much better than VP6 or MPEG-4 ASP (e.g. DivX and XviD), because the first H.264 encoders were rushed to market. But five years later, H.264 encoders have gotten significantly better. Give VP8 a year (let alone five), and it’s going to get better and better.
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SimleuqiR

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OriginalThinking said:
Hell i'm rooted anyway, so over the air updates are out of the question for me. Couldn't wait for the official updated kernel to free up the over 256mb of ram. No doubt someone will make the rom available for update anyway over the interweb.
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The last updated was available from xda before the OTA started hitting the phones. I manually updated my self.
 
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Vanillalite

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Totally down with the pushing of all the openess of the web stuff. I'm gonna get hated on, but I'm probably with RubxQub on some of his thoughts though. I was like uh are they just trying to sell me stuff I can already get for free? I think that with the app store as well though, and obviously it's not a blanket statement for all the content on either store front.

I did LOL at the IE jabs.
 
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ThatObviousUser

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Was just thinking... as long as your web app isn't serverless (which Google also seems to be endorsing), it'll be very, very hard to pirate it. That and the ubiquitous open nature of the web could swing developers (back) to the web.
 
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giga

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Google is opening a Web Store to collect web apps in one place:

What's the advantage of "installing" an app from Chrome Web Store?
When Google Chrome users "install" a web application from the store, a convenient shortcut is added for quickly accessing the app.

Now, this should give you a small glimpse into how Google and I see the future of the internet:

Gone are the cryptic URLS and gone is this page-by-page nonsense. Instead of writing a string of letters and numbers in a search bar and thereby navigating to a certain site, we are now presented with an online world much closer to that of our offline world. We have icons, we have shortcuts, we have depth and we have interactivity. We have spend years perfecting this offline world and now we are really beginning to perfecting the online world as well, slowly merging the interfaces.

Think of this scenario: What if, in Windows or OS X or linux, whenever you wanted to go to a folder or open a new app, you had to write the name of the folder/app and it's path in the terminal. What a waste of time, right? Well, that is where we are right now on the web. "Web pages" are not a necessity of the internet. I do not have 'pages' on my Snow Leopard OS so why would I we not be able to "get rid" of pages on the internet as well? Why not take what we learned from the offline world and incorporate it into the online world?

What we will get in the near future at least is something much further away from the current "Type URL- go to site, type new URL- go to site". It is a more interactive and dynamic homepage. A mix between the current Chrome homepage, your desktop on your OS (folders etc) and a presentation of Applications. Much more intuitive, much more visual and much more relevant.

And that will just be the beginning. As Google has predicted, the browser is the new operating system.
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http://lighthouseinteger.blogspot.com/2010_05_01_archive.html#5892668337098426531

I, for one, can’t wait.
 
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ThatObviousUser

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Yeah, Chrome Web Store takes Chrome OS from being just a browser to actually capable of supplanting netbooks.

I mean, it's not game changing if you look at it in some ways, but it's very exciting to look at the whole picture. It's certainly made me more excited for Chrome OS.
 
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Mudkips

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VP8 is nothing to get excited about.

The performance will always be behind h.264.

The only good thing about VP8 is that it's free, but patent trolls (as well as legitimate claimants) will come out of the woodwork in the coming months to sue the fuck out of shit over VP8.

I guess that risk is slightly better than the all-but-guaranteed future costs of h.264.

(And of course, by "better", I mean better for content providers. For users, h.264 is the clear winner...)
 
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Vanillalite

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giga said:
http://lighthouseinteger.blogspot.com/2010_05_01_archive.html#5892668337098426531

I, for one, can’t wait.
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Yeah, but I mean isn't that what bookmarks and history are for so you don't have to type this long string of stuff in? Also I hate shortcuts unless it's important stuff I can put in a dock/taskbar type of thing. If not I want it stored in my program folders all nice and neat. I don't see how finding that stuff that way is any easier than current bookmarks and stuff though.
 
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ThatObviousUser

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Mudkips said:
VP8 is nothing to get excited about.

The performance will always be behind h.264.

The only good thing about VP8 is that it's free, but patent trolls (as well as legitimate claimants) will come out of the woodwork in the coming months to sue the fuck out of shit over VP8.

I guess that risk is slightly better than the all-but-guaranteed future costs of h.264.

(And of course, by "better", I mean better for content providers. For users, h.264 is the clear winner...)
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Patent trolls could also sue the shit out of the MPEG-LA. They're both on equal footing in that area - especially now since almighty Google is acting as VP8's mother hen.

As for performance, it'll get better (it always does.) And if it's good enough for YouTube right now then I personally am over worrying about performance. Especially since Google has every hardware maker under the sun backing them up (sans Intel, who really isn't that important to mobile video anyways and thus not a concern for hardware acceleration just yet.)
 
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Massa

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Mudkips said:
VP8 is nothing to get excited about.

The performance will always be behind h.264.

The only good thing about VP8 is that it's free, but patent trolls (as well as legitimate claimants) will come out of the woodwork in the coming months to sue the fuck out of shit over VP8.

I guess that risk is slightly better than the all-but-guaranteed future costs of h.264.

(And of course, by "better", I mean better for content providers. For users, h.264 is the clear winner...)
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Actually, open standards are more important for users.
 
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Pimpwerx

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BREAKING NEWS: H.264 found shot dead in an alley. Google was seen holding the gun. Microsoft was the getaway driver. Authorities say VP8 was the murder weapon. PEACE.
 
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Burger

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@diveintomark: Live from WebM session at #io2010: "Google will not indemnify" against WebM-related patent threats.


Hmm, sounds like a safe bet.
 
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kaching

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Brettison said:
Totally down with the pushing of all the openess of the web stuff. I'm gonna get hated on, but I'm probably with RubxQub on some of his thoughts though. I was like uh are they just trying to sell me stuff I can already get for free? I think that with the app store as well though, and obviously it's not a blanket statement for all the content on either store front.
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Not every site/app on the web is free now, not every app in the Chrome store will be for sale. I doubt the store by itself will really drive anyone towards charging for more web apps. If anything is going to do that, it's going to be because of the additional resources and effort they're going to be putting into their web apps because of the greatly enhanced standards offered by "modern browsers" that allow them to create much more sophisticated apps.

Yeah, but I mean isn't that what bookmarks and history are for so you don't have to type this long string of stuff in? Also I hate shortcuts unless it's important stuff I can put in a dock/taskbar type of thing. If not I want it stored in my program folders all nice and neat. I don't see how finding that stuff that way is any easier than current bookmarks and stuff though.
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It's easier, even if only incrementally, because it wraps all that up into one step instead of several. Many people aren't necessarily as meticulous as you, so they'll benefit from the basic maintenance/organization this can bring to their desktop. Not to mention, it's intended to have several of the benefits we've come to expect in most online storefronts: user ratings, recommendations, categorization, featured items, etc.
 
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kaching said:
Not every site/app on the web is free now, not every app in the Chrome store will be for sale. I doubt the store by itself will really drive anyone towards charging for more web apps. If anything is going to do that, it's going to be because of the additional resources and effort they're going to be putting into their web apps because of the greatly enhanced standards offered by "modern browsers" that allow them to create much more sophisticated apps.

It's easier, even if only incrementally, because it wraps all that up into one step instead of several. Many people aren't necessarily as meticulous as you, so they'll benefit from the basic maintenance/organization this can bring to their desktop. Not to mention, it's intended to have several of the benefits we've come to expect in most online storefronts: user ratings, recommendations, categorization, featured items, etc.
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True but like 80% of the time on my PC I already have my web browser already open anyways. Only time I don't is if I'm watching a long movie or playing a game (not counting when I'm afk) and even then I'm on the web all the time if I'm playing something like WoW. Plus when you look at desktop screen threads around here it seems most gafers don't like shortcuts all over the place either unless it's say built in functionality type stuff such as the Win 7 taskbar.

I mean I like the benefits that storefronts give people fo sho, but I just don't see having shortcuts being a big deal.

Also I've tried and tried to understand the font thing and I still don't get it. As GIGA said they all look the same to me in that comparison above. Any benefits other than just the fact that it's gonna be "open source" or am I missing something here?!?!?
 
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kaching

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Brettison, the store may not hold much benefit for a user like you or the ones that frequent NeoGAF, but it isn't necessarily for those type of users. Many millions more don't have the same kind of hands-on attitude to the management of their desktop or application suite.

Also, I think you're looking at a beta incarnation of the proposed store and not realizing what's further down the road as web apps get more sophisticated and as the desktop (as in the OS desktop, not as in a desktop PC) becomes more and more integrated with the network. Think widgets and plugins and extensions - things that aren't just going to reside as a bookmark or an icon but as something that gets bolted onto something else. Or apps running native code that will still need some kind of download. It's not just about making it easier to get a shortcut/bookmark.

As for webfonts, *shrugs*, maybe it's just nice to have the largest web company backing an open standard to advance it. That in itself is worthwhile.
 
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Vanillalite

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On a side note I just got all kinds of crazy....

I'm running Ubuntu 10.04, downloaded the 64bit Ubuntu only version of Opera from the Opera Labs, and just watched some Ubuntu 10.10 video with some dude giving his weekly update with the new HTML 5 VP8 stuff. That was rather well fuck'n weird, but cool all the same! LOL :lol
 
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Quasar

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A pretty interesting keynote I thought.

I was particularly impressed by the whole Sports Illustrated demo. I figured we'd see mags either stick with flash or go down the apps route like on the iDevices. And Jobs' moralising concerned me in regard to the future a little.

The app store thing I found also interesting. Certainly it raises my interest in the Chrome OS slightly above 'do not want'. Given the Lego Star Wars demo it has me thinking this could be an interesting game platform. Though I am wondering just how exclusive some of it might be to the Chrome browser (given tech like running native code in a browser Chrome will be offering). Hopefully Firefox could offer up a Chrome Marketplace extension at least.

And I'm certainly happy to see the rumoured open sourcing of VP8 finally happen. It'll be interesting to see if Apple supports it.

The Adobe demo was pretty interesting too. That might even encourage me to upgrade to CS5.
 
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Subliminal

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Quasar said:
A pretty interesting keynote I thought.

I was particularly impressed by the whole Sports Illustrated demo. I figured we'd see mags either stick with flash or go down the apps route like on the iDevices. And Jobs' moralising concerned me in regard to the future a little.

The app store thing I found also interesting. Certainly it raises my interest in the Chrome OS slightly above 'do not want'. Given the Lego Star Wars demo it has me thinking this could be an interesting game platform. Though I am wondering just how exclusive some of it might be to the Chrome browser (given tech like running native code in a browser Chrome will be offering). Hopefully Firefox could offer up a Chrome Marketplace extension at least.

And I'm certainly happy to see the rumoured open sourcing of VP8 finally happen. It'll be interesting to see if Apple supports it.

The Adobe demo was pretty interesting too. That might even encourage me to upgrade to CS5.
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It isn't at all. The only thing chrome does specific is the linking in apps on the new tabs page. Everyone will be able to access the Chrome apps store.
 
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SimleuqiR

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http://www.androidguys.com/2010/05/19/nextgen-market-works-rumors/

Android Police reports that they received a tip about upcoming changes in the Android Market, giving some exciting details about some possibilities that could be in the works.

According to their source, Google flew in a focus group from around the country, and asked them about a variety of topics, including social networking integration in the Market, "guru/expert ranks" for certain developers, the ability to follow or favorite certain developers, app recommendations, filters, and the ability for developers to respond to comments. (Android Police has a full run down of what was discussed-- click over there for more detail.)

Remember, this is all rumor, so take it or leave it as it comes, but it seems like we have the following possibilities for the Market:

* Allowing Devs to leave feedback to feedback received
* Giving rankings to Devs, declaring them experts or the such.
* A better way to filter Apps, PRAISE THE ANDROID GODS
* Recommending apps to friends, A LA HTC Wildfire.

Android Police is saying that they have good word that the above WON'T be in the next update of the Market, but could be possibilities for the future. Here's to the future then!
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Very excite!!

borat-high-five.jpg
 
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gcubed

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tabsina said:
So what exactly is gingerbread, is it going to be a major update (ie. 3.0) or 2.x?
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im not really sure anyone knows whats in it, not much has come out about it as of yet (at least not that i have seen)... the only passing comment that was made which gave the timeline was when the new codec will be supported in android. They said in the gingerbread update which is scheduled for a Q4 launch
 
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JonathanEx

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Vyse The Legend said:
The FroYo branch has appeared on github (Android source code repository). Looks like it will get released soon, if not today.
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Very nice. I suppose if I want it on my HTC I should check xda developers over the next few days?
 
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