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Google I/O 2010 Thread of Moving to the Clouds and eating Froyo

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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
:( if Appengine Business apps have to authenticate against Google accounts. But I guess this is how they control the 'per user' billing.

Mega-fail if features like custom domain SSL and some of the other features now won't come to the regular appengine service.
 
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ThatObviousUser

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From the WebM FAQ:

Google, Mozilla and Opera are all adding WebM support to their browsers and all videos that are 720p or larger uploaded to YouTube after May 19th will be be encoded in WebM as part of its HTML5 experiment.
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:eek:

Also is it just me or is WebM a dumb name? I keep thinking "WebMD." :lol Should have called it WebV or something.
 
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ThatObviousUser

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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft...codec-with-internet-explorer-9-after-all/6264

Engadget said:
The always-reliable Mary Jo Foley at ZDNet says she's heard Microsoft will be supporting WebM in IE9. That's a big deal if it's true, but we'll have to wait for confirmation -- IE9 isn't due out for a year, so a lot can change in the meantime. Fingers crossed.
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!!!!!!!!!!!

Game over for H.264 on the web if true. I was holding my breath Google would invite an IE engineer on stage through the whole WebM segment. :lol
 
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ThatObviousUser

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prodystopian said:
Interestingly, Intel isn't listed in the hardware supporters, though (as per Engadget).
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That just means it won't be hardware accelerated. It's unfortunate, but Flash has been able to get by fine without it for 10 versions.
 
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SimleuqiR

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Andrex said:
From the WebM FAQ:



:eek:

Also is it just me or is WebM a dumb name? I keep thinking "WebMD." :lol Should have called it WebV or something.
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Holy fuck...Google flexing their Youtube muscle.

I pronounce it like Webmmmmmm....good.
 
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Xyphie

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IE9 makes it all the major browsers (Firefox, Opera, Chrome, Safari, IE) out of the box or through a simple codec install. Flash VP8 fallback for older browsers, good stuff. H.264 will be done on the web by 2015.
 
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ThatObviousUser

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Biggest megatons today (for me):

- VP8 open sourced as WebM, supported by YouTube, Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and potentially IE9
- Chrome Web Store
- Adobe exporting tools for animated JavaScript and CSS
- Adobe adding WebM support to Flash

The Wave and GWT stuff was nice too. Google has delivered very nicely today, now I'm hoping they can do the same tomorrow.

I forget if they also said they'll be focusing on Chrome OS tomorrow, but I hope so. Would make sense to lump their two OS's together, and they didn't really mention Chrome OS today.
 
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Vic

Please help me with my bad english
Andrex said:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft...codec-with-internet-explorer-9-after-all/6264



!!!!!!!!!!!

Game over for H.264 on the web if true. I was holding my breath Google would invite an IE engineer on stage through the whole WebM segment. :lol
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Microsoft officially announced their WebM support on their blog:

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/.../another-follow-up-on-html5-video-in-ie9.aspx

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In its HTML5 support, IE9 will support playback of H.264 video as well as VP8 video when the user has installed a VP8 codec on Windows.

As we said at MIX recently, when it comes to HTML5, we’re all in. This level of commitment applies to the video codecs that IE9 will support as well. We are strongly committed to making sure that in IE9 you can safely view all types of content in all widely used formats. At the same time, Windows customers, developers, and site owners also want assurances that they are protected from IP rights issues when using IE9.
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mugurumakensei

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I should mention that you shouldn't go full screen with the current nightly. It crashes.:lol

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Zombie James said:
Why do they need users to install a codec first? Why isn't it being built into the browser like everyone else is doing?
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I imagine it's because Windows 7 ships with the H.264 codec whereas it does not come with VP8 standard.

I imagine IE9 just looks up whatever codec is needed and uses that if it's on the user's system.
 
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ThatObviousUser

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Zombie James said:
Why do they need users to install a codec first? Why isn't it being built into the browser like everyone else is doing?
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Yeah nothing has really changed... yet.
 
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giga

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mugurumakensei said:
I imagine it's because Windows 7 ships with the H.264 codec whereas it does not come with VP8 standard.
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That just means nothing has changed then. What they really should have said was that they’re going to support the HTML5 spec (which has an undefined video tag). Misleading.
 
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mugurumakensei

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giga said:
That just means nothing has changed then. What they really should have said was that they’re going to support the HTML5 spec (which has an undefined video tag). Misleading.
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I just look on the bright side. At least, they aren't embedding codecs in their html 5 player and only supporting those which may be the route apple goes.
 
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kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
What are the odds on Google TV and Google Editions in tomorrow's keynote? TV seems likely since they'll want to get developers on board, but will they need that for Editions?
 
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ThatObviousUser

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kaching said:
What are the odds on Google TV and Google Editions in tomorrow's keynote? TV seems likely since they'll want to get developers on board, but will they need that for Editions?
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Hrm, Editions maybe for Chrome OS, but almost definitely Google TV.
 
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LCfiner

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Vic said:
Microsoft officially announced their WebM support on their blog:
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pretty big move. With mass market IE supporting this new codec, it really could move web video away from h.264.
 
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Vic

Please help me with my bad english
Here's the link to the "Project London" VP8 demo that was shown in the keynote: http://people.mozilla.com/~prouget/demos/vp8/

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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Storage sounds good.

100GB of space and 300GB/month of bandwidth free during the preview? Definitely fishing for S3 converts :)

Adsense for Ajax is a welcome addition also.
 
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kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
Andrex said:
Hrm, Editions maybe for Chrome OS, but almost definitely Google TV.
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Why Editions for Chrome OS? It seems they've been prepping it mostly as platform agnostic, as much as possible. Delivered via web, doesn't necessarily need to be shown on Chrome OS.

I'm just thinking it might not be there because this is developer-oriented and Editions may not have much of a developer angle, at least not right away.

We also didn't see anything about Buzz APIs today (other than passing reference in SI demo), so I expect that at tomorrow's keynote.

Froyo
Google TV
GM/Onstar Partnership?
Buzz API
ChromeOS
Editions?
 
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ThatObviousUser

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Blu_LED said:
So, does anyone have a nice synopsis of what happened today?
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http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/google-io-2010-day-1-more-powerful-web.html

kaching said:
Why Editions for Chrome OS? It seems they've been prepping it mostly as platform agnostic, as much as possible. Delivered via web, doesn't necessarily need to be shown on Chrome OS.
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Oh no I agree, I just meant it would make sense to show it during the Chrome OS part (read books on your Chrome OS tablet.) Just like it makes sense to show Google TV during the Android part.
 
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ThatObviousUser

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CrayzeeCarl said:
Same. It's amazing that this hasn't been done before.
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It has, in a way. I believe Microsoft was actually an early pioneer in getting better font support for the web, then Opera added @font-face to CSS3 (which I've been using in my sites for a while now.)
 
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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
I haven't read into the google font api yet, but what does it add over the existing css3 + a font foundry approach?
 
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ThatObviousUser

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gofreak said:
I haven't read into the google font api yet, but what does it add over the existing css3 + a font foundry approach?
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From what I've seen, you don't need to host the font file on your server (or specify its URL), and it seems to have wider browser support.
 
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