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[flippymittens]

We are talking about contemporary platforms in the curret political climate, not historical positions when both parties were very different. Bringing up slavery is nothing but a distraction without any relevance to the discussion.

I was using it as an example... That you do not always have to support 100% what the party you are in follows.

It was a response to his post on why someone can support a party with this belief... Given our two party system, you kind of have to pick between one of the two.

Abortion/reproductive rights is irrelevant to some people compared to other issues.

 

[CrushDance]

I was using it as an example... That you do not always have to support 100% what the party you are in follows.

It was a response to his post on why someone can support a party with this belief... Given our two party system, you kind of have to pick between one of the two.

Abortion/reproductive rights is irrelevant to some people compared to other issues.

>:O You're right and all, but damn. What rights beyond your own would be so important as to overlook that? Oh wait...

 

[Hitokage]

I was using it as an example... That you do not always have to support 100% what the party you are in follows.

It has absolutely no meaning for Democrats of today.

 

[Karl2177]

Generally I try to avoid political threads, but I felt almost obliged to point out the irony in this platform, and I will be stereotyping a wee bit. Generally speaking, most conservatives are creationists and disagree with evolution and Darwinism. Isn't this platform Darwinism at its disgustingly best? You can spread your gene pool around without much chance of it being stopped. Morally it's one of the worst things possible and I don't want anyone that supports this platform having their gene pool spread... but I thought it incredibly ironic.

 

[Gray Man]

I've had enough. Im sick of this shit. Im sick of telling people Im an actual consetvative who doesnt agree with the republican party. Im changing my status to moderate.

 

[jorgeton]

Or gay. Or Hispanic. Or transgender. Or...

You're pretty much SOL unless you are a white male.

 

[Hale-XF11]

Are there any bills created by congress that offend only white, old men?

 

[RDreamer]

I've had enough. Im sick of this shit. Im sick of telling people Im an actual consetvative who doesnt agree with the republican party. Im changing my status to moderate.

Good for you man. I wish more people would do this, not so that my side wins, but so that we get some intelligent conversation back in the country. I want a choice between two legitimate solutions to our problems, not to have to vote for one party because the other one is off its rocker.

Are there any bills created by congress that offend only white, old men?

The Buffet Rule?

 

[Ziltoid]

Are there any bills created by congress that offend only white, old men?

Bills that give rights to women and minorities.

I wish I was kidding, but with news like these...

 

[flippymittens]

I think he meant explain the ideologies. Im curious to hear what you are getting at as well.

No one. Absolutely no one. I would not consider nor do I know anyone that is liberal that is registered as a Republican. What positions would one have to hold to be a liberal Republican? I mean are you talking liberal for a Republican? Or are you talking a liberal who is also a Republican.

Libertarians are pretty liberal for instance...

For instance to many President Obama is not a liberal myself included. Being a liberal does not make you right, or smart it is just a different opinion/way of viewing things.


In fact I have heard some arguing being pro-life is liberal because you are supporting the rights of the unborn childeren... However on the converse pro-choice (which I guess I lean toward) supports reproductive rights of women.
I think most people who are pro-life are in favor of providing exceptions to women who are raped or are unable to survive birth.

Basically what is and what is not a liberal is subjective but to say no Republicans are liberal is rather ridiculous in my opinion.

 

[Chichikov]

That is not true "Although he had supported all previous federal civil rights legislation and had supported the original senate version of the bill, Goldwater made the decision to oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964. His stance was based on his view that the act was an intrusion of the federal government into the affairs of states and that the Act interfered with the rights of private persons to do or not do business with whomever they chose." - Wikipedia

He voted against it because it went against his beliefs... Not that I agree with him but voting against the legislation actually hurt his campaign.

He voted against it and was the first Republican ever to win states in the deep south.
Those are the facts.
You're entitle to your own interpretation of those facts.

And I'm not sure what they mean by the original senate version of the bill.
There was only one version of that bill that was voted on the senate.
There were two votes, one on the bill and one to end the filibuster, and Goldwater voted nay on both of them.

 

[Hitokage]

Good for you man. I wish more people would do this, not so that my side wins, but so that we get some intelligent conversation back in the country. I want a choice between two legitimate solutions to our problems, not to have to vote for one party because the other one is off its rocker.

I agree. I think politics should have some back and forth to keep everyone honest and flexible, but having the two parties be Fringe and Not Fringe is bad for our democracy.

 

[flippymittens]

It has absolutely no meaning for Democrats of today.

I never said it did. It was an example from history to illustrate that not all Republicans have to follow the entire platform of the party.

Another example would be blue-dog Democrats who are typically found in conservative states or the "RINO"(Republicans in name only) Republicans found typically in more liberal states.

 

[RDreamer]

Libertarians are pretty liberal for instance...

For instance to many President Obama is not a liberal myself included. Being a liberal does not make you right, or smart it is just a different opinion/way of viewing things.


In fact I have heard some arguing being pro-life is liberal because you are supporting the rights of the unborn childeren... However on the converse pro-choice (which I guess I lean toward) supports reproductive rights of women.
I think most people who are pro-life are in favor of providing exceptions to women who are raped or are unable to survive birth.

Basically what is and what is not a liberal is subjective but to say no Republicans are liberal is rather ridiculous in my opinion.

I wouldn't classify libertarians as liberal. They align with liberals on certain things, but they're not really on the same end of the spectrum. This has more to do with the Republican ideology not making any damned sense than libertarians being liberal.

Yes, I would agree that Obama isn't really that liberal, but in comparison to who he's running against or in comparison to the Republican party he is.

And sure you can technically be liberal on a few things, but to be classified as "liberal" you should really be liberal on most things. That is on at least 51% of the issues you're with the liberals. If on 51% of the issues you're on the liberal side, why the hell are you voting or registered Republican? If on less than 50% of the issues you side with liberals, then you are not liberal. Really, if you're hitting near 50% you're a moderate. I guess if you feel really REALLY strongly about one issue this could be the case, but I've personally never run into anyone like that.

 

[flippymittens]

He voted against it and was the first Republican ever to win states in the deep south.
Those are the facts.
You're entitle to your own interpretation of those facts.

And I'm not sure what they mean by the original senate version of the bill.
There was only one version of that bill that was voted on the senate.
There were two votes, one on the bill and one to end the filibuster, and Goldwater voted nay on both of them.

Yes he also lost in a landslide and many northern states were put off by his decision... Sounds like a decision his campaign consciously made >_>

He voted for all prior civil rights legislation,

...His stance was based on his view that the act was an intrusion of the federal government into the affairs of states and that the Act interfered with the rights of private persons to do or not do business with whomever they chose." - Wikipedia

You may hate Barry Goldwater and loathe his opinion but this statement is wrong

...Oh, and he voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 so he can attract racists.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

Party of Small Government™ indeed

 

[NullPointer]

Party of Small Government™ indeed

Small enough to crawl right into your wedge issue.

 

[Chichikov]

Yes he also lost in a landslide and many northern states were put off by his decision... Sounds like a decision his campaign consciously made >_>

He voted for all prior civil rights legislation,

You may hate Barry Goldwater and loathe his opinion but this statement is wrong

I don't think the fact that he voted for civil rights bills under a republican president but oppose them under a democratic one (and when he was running for president) help his (or your) case all that much.

But let's move it forward, I don't know what's in a man mind (and I don't think his motivation is even all that important, that was an offhanded remark) but I do know his actions.

He voted against the civil rights act of 1964 and supported filibustering of it.
Can you defend it?

I mean, he opposed anti-discrimination laws for ideological reasons, that's even worse in my book.

 

[Hale-XF11]

The Buffet Rule?

Oh yeah, that one never even made it to debate, lol.

Bills that give rights to women and minorities.

Naturally.

 

[RDreamer]

Oh yeah, that one never even made it to debate, lol.

Really sad... The Buffet Rule is kind of pathetic tax reform, and we can't even pass that. Ugh, this country...

 

[Hale-XF11]

Really sad... The Buffet Rule is kind of pathetic tax reform, and we can't even pass that. Ugh, this country...

I know. I feel like I'm constantly grasping at straws when trying to come up with some redeemable qualities about our congress.

 

[Igo]

The rape excemption never made any sense to me anyway. At least their shitty platform is consistent now.

 

[Tex117]

Libertarians are pretty liberal for instance...

For instance to many President Obama is not a liberal myself included. Being a liberal does not make you right, or smart it is just a different opinion/way of viewing things.


In fact I have heard some arguing being pro-life is liberal because you are supporting the rights of the unborn childeren... However on the converse pro-choice (which I guess I lean toward) supports reproductive rights of women.
I think most people who are pro-life are in favor of providing exceptions to women who are raped or are unable to survive birth.

Basically what is and what is not a liberal is subjective but to say no Republicans are liberal is rather ridiculous in my opinion.

I know what you are saying, but you aren't being very clear about it.

I know people (many of which young professionals I work with), that socially are pretty liberal (support gay marriage, abortion, birth control, etc.), but economically are conservative (reduce spending, smaller government, etc.).

 

[Pollux]

I've had enough. Im sick of this shit. Im sick of telling people Im an actual consetvative who doesnt agree with the republican party. Im changing my status to moderate.

I just switched to the Democrats.

 

[crackhead_bob]

Small enough to crawl right into your wedge issue

or a vagina.

 

[AstroNut325]

For some reason I keep reading the thread title as "GAF set to adopt official abortion platform..."!

 

[i-Lo]

Hypothetically in the worst case scenario the woman is forced to give birth and she finally gives it up for adoption hoping that perhaps it'll be better off.

Oh no, not when you've got people like these. Ah, American cable tele and the crap they do to get hits

 

[Mobius 1]

Hypothetically in the worst case scenario the woman is forced to give birth and she finally gives it up for adoption hoping that perhaps it'll be better off.

Oh no, not when you've got people like these. Ah, American cable tele and the crap they do to get hits

What the fuck

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Hypothetically in the worst case scenario the woman is forced to give birth and she finally gives it up for adoption hoping that perhaps it'll be better off.

Oh no, not when you've got people like these. Ah, American cable tele and the crap they do to get hits

Haha holy shit poor old Pat. Can't even keep his story straight anymore.

The best thing about all of this people are finally being held responsible for the reprehensible shit that pours out of their mouths. I love it.

 

[Brian Griffin]

Rachel Maddow made an observation/prediction a while back about the overall GOP strategy and it seems frighteningly accurate. They don't care about the short game, they are all about the long game. The know all this shit is terrible for them and that it could cost Mitt Romney the election but they don't care, that's the short game and he doesn't matter.

They have set their warp drives to 10 and are speeding so far and fast to the right in hopes that everyone else will follow and settle around a new "center" which is actually far to the right. They are looking to gradually pull the whole country towards conservatism over many decades.

Or, they are just a bunch of old fukwits who don't know how to do anything other than pander to rich, white men who see themselves as superior to all genders and races.

I hope its the latter.

 

[Like the hat?]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/pregnant-woman-relieved-to-learn-her-rape-was-ille,29258/

also http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-misspokewhat-i-meant-to-say-is-i-am-dumb-as-dog,29256/

 

[Particle Physicist]

Weren't people saying yesterday the GOP was pressuring Akin to drop out of the race because of his comments... and today his comments are the offical GOP abortion position?

When Akin said he used the wrong words, he meant it. Republicans were pissed at him because of how he phrased their actual positions. They want to use obfuscated language and easy to digest buzz words.

 

[Ptaaty]

If you wanna know my official stance.
I think women should have a choice.. but that choice should be to carry the baby.
Sort of like how people should be married to have kids, but I wouldnt make it the law.

I agree, I think....basically you are saying not something that should be regulated, and choice should be there.

However your own personal choices are as you stated, and hope others come to the same conclusion.

Most people don't look at abortion and think...yeah this is the way to do things, birth control after the fact, most aren't "pro abortion", just that there is a legal safe option for when it is the best option.

The married part - tend to agree, but for that to be the case we need to ensure same sex marriage is legal everywhere. It more is about both the commitment and legal protection and coverage for the kids than anything.

 

[Ptaaty]

Rachel Maddow made an observation/prediction a while back about the overall GOP strategy and it seems frighteningly accurate. They don't care about the short game, they are all about the long game. The know all this shit is terrible for them and that it could cost Mitt Romney the election but they don't care, that's the short game and he doesn't matter.

They have set their warp drives to 10 and are speeding so far and fast to the right in hopes that everyone else will follow and settle around a new "center" which is actually far to the right. They are looking to gradually pull the whole country towards conservatism over many decades.

Or, they are just a bunch of old fukwits who don't know how to do anything other than pander to rich, white men who see themselves as superior to all genders and races.

I hope its the latter.

There isn't a long game in politics, that is really the core of most problems we currently face...a bunch of promises without compromising. Less taxes and more benefits forever! (yeah right....)

No way they have a true long game that sacrifices to the point of presidential elections.

 

[Brian Griffin]

There isn't a long game in politics, that is really the core of most problems we currently face...a bunch of promises without compromising. Less taxes and more benefits forever! (yeah right....)

No way they have a true long game that sacrifices to the point of presidential elections.

Well in her segment about it, Rachel did cite a study or poll or something that showed Americans have been getting more conservative in their views over time. I don't have any evidence of my own so I can't really defend the idea but it would seem like the only real reason for them pushing such extreme views.

As much as we all hate on them and laugh at them, they probably aren't as stupid as we like to think (dear god I hope the actually are) so they have to know that their views are not winning ones. Maybe they are just blindly following the bible, completely unaware that society and reality have progressed miles and miles ahead of them but I doubt it. There has to be some calculation or strategy they are making where they end up benefiting from all this at some point in the future.

I hope not though. Hopefully this is their last flame before America has a great epiphany and puts the GOP right next to the Nazis on the list of "Groups no one should ever be a part of ever again for the good of the universe."

 

[Vicetrailia]

I like how the republicans are all about freedom from government and liberty until you are a woman.

How many times have we heard about the evil socialist government getting in between you and your doctor? Can they not see the irony of banning medical procedures?

"Fuck you, I don't get pregnant" ~ Love, Republicans

 

[Devolution]

I'd also like to remind people that this negatively affects plenty of men as well since no abortions what so ever means that you all get to be economically shackled to any woman you accidentally get pregnant, even if she doesn't want it.

 

[Vicetrailia]

I'd also like to remind people that this negatively affects plenty of men as well since no abortions what so ever means that you all get to be economically shackled to any woman you accidentally get pregnant, even if she doesn't want it.

Meh, they stop caring as soon as you're born anyway.

 

[Devolution]

Meh, they stop caring as soon as you're born anyway.

?

 

[RDreamer]

This is such a joke. Romney's senior advisor, Ed Gillespie said "This is the platform of the Republican party. This is not the platform of Mitt Romney."

Uh huh... I'm sure Romney is going to veto a bill that comes to his desk written by the rest of the party that doesn't have these exceptions in it. Yep. I'll believe that when I see it.

 

[Kusagari]

This is such a joke. Romney's senior advisor, Ed Gillespie said "This is the platform of the Republican party. This is not the platform of Mitt Romney."

Uh huh... I'm sure Romney is going to veto a bill that comes to his desk written by the rest of the party that doesn't have these exceptions in it. Yep. I'll believe that when I see it.

Romney must be loving this. He's been trying to avoid social issues the entire campaign and the Republicans themselves just keep dragging him back into discussing them.

 

[Devolution]

Romney must be loving this. He's been trying to avoid social issues the entire campaign and the Republicans themselves just keep dragging him back into discussing them.

Because he used IvF. So he's just as bad as women who abort.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Because he used IvF. So he's just as bad as women who abort.

Paul Ryan probably thinks he's going straight to hell

 

[Gray Man]

So when that Senator dropped out of Piers Morgan's show... Piers called him a gutless little terp.

 

[Pollux]

Well in her segment about it, Rachel did cite a study or poll or something that showed Americans have been getting more conservative in their views over time. I don't have any evidence of my own so I can't really defend the idea but it would seem like the only real reason for them pushing such extreme views.

As much as we all hate on them and laugh at them, they probably aren't as stupid as we like to think (dear god I hope the actually are) so they have to know that their views are not winning ones. Maybe they are just blindly following the bible, completely unaware that society and reality have progressed miles and miles ahead of them but I doubt it. There has to be some calculation or strategy they are making where they end up benefiting from all this at some point in the future.

I hope not though. Hopefully this is their last flame before America has a great epiphany and puts the GOP right next to the Nazis on the list of "Groups no one should ever be a part of ever again for the good of the universe."

Maddow has a good point.

 

[Devolution]

Paul Ryan probably thinks he's going straight to hell

It is pretty hilarious how IvF isn't tackled by many when depending on the success rate it can come at the cost of several embryos as well as the frozen ones.

The Rand Consulting Group has estimated there to be 400,000 frozen embryos in the United States.

Hmmm...

 

[Volimar]

So when that Senator dropped out of Piers Morgan's show... Piers called him a gutless little terp.

Takes one to know one I guess.


I hate you Piers.

 

[Gray Man]

Takes one to know one I guess.


I hate you Piers.

Haters guna hate. I love piers.

Anywho I dont think Romney would be as bad as he is if the party wasnt so extreme. He has to pander a lot. Im actually glad Mitt came out above Ricky Santorum.

 

[RDreamer]

Haters guna hate. I love piers.

Anywho I dont think Romney would be as bad as he is if the party wasnt so extreme. He has to pander a lot. Im actually glad Mitt came out above Ricky Santorum.

Santorum would have been ripped to shreds and I wouldn't be worrying now.

 

[Anticitizen One]

is there anyone out there aside from religious people that are against abortions?