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GoT Showrunners new project, Confederate, what if slavery never ended
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Seductivpancakes
Member
I'm sure this is the wet dream of some Americans.
LumpOfCole
Member
Im all for media that keeps hammering home how the Confederate flag represented pro-slavery.
Escape Goat
Member
Someone posted a YouTube video of life in the modern day if the south had won. It wasn't particularly well produced. I'm not even sure what it was for.
Earthbound64
Banned
I'm sure they'll handle it with the same level of tact and grace as in GoT...
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I hope they at least take some lessons to heart from their problematic game of thrones stuff.
like:
Seems HBO gets some serious backlash for this..
https://www.google.no/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/money/2017/07/19/media/confederate-hbo/index.html
I don't really get it..? Both 12 years a slave and Django are hugely successful movies about slavery, which didn't garner any backlash like this?
Der Untergang is another example, albeit a different theme.
Its a sensitive issue yes, which story must be handled with taste and care.
Who's to say the creators can't handle it as such?
Should we not create media based on horrific events and history?
https://www.google.no/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/money/2017/07/19/media/confederate-hbo/index.html
I don't really get it..? Both 12 years a slave and Django are hugely successful movies about slavery, which didn't garner any backlash like this?
Der Untergang is another example, albeit a different theme.
Its a sensitive issue yes, which story must be handled with taste and care.
Who's to say the creators can't handle it as such?
Should we not create media based on horrific events and history?
BossDarkseid
Member
This and the fact they "accidentally" filmed a rape scene in GoT doesn't fill many with such confidence.
benicillin
Banned
I don't think either of them have the deft touch or consideration necessary to have this not be a total wankfest, especially looking at the changes they've made adapting GoT.
HeartlessNobody213
Member
It's one thing to cover slavery in the past, it's another to create a show on if slavery never ended, especially in this current climate.
I don't think it's all that surprising that some people would be against it.
I don't watch GOT but apparently all the black characters are either bad guys, slaves/destitute or nonexistent. So a show about how if slavery never ended from the same creators will automatically not sit right with some people.
I don't see it that way at all. Man in the High Castle did alternate history with Nazis and that was awesome. I'm hoping for the same kind of experience with this. Sure some might worship it since they're insane, but I have a strong feeling slavers aren't gonna be the good guys.
Exactly this!
"In a future, where Pineapple on Pizza is mandatory...."
I am wondering if this is the television adaptation for Underground Airlines as apparently Ben Winters wrote a pilot for it.
toastyToast
Member
As if real slave stories weren't bad enough now we're getting slave fan fiction smh
Alternate history where "the bad guys won" is a trope with a long.... history.
It can be done well, it can be done poorly.
Current climate feels like the wrong time to go there, though, and the possibilities of where the conversation around the show will go leaves me a little nauseous.
Edit: you can already see it in this thread calling it "slave fan fiction".
It can be done well, it can be done poorly.
Current climate feels like the wrong time to go there, though, and the possibilities of where the conversation around the show will go leaves me a little nauseous.
Edit: you can already see it in this thread calling it "slave fan fiction".
Rodney McKay
Member
Not sure it's a show I'll watch personally, but as long as the main character (and a good chunk of the side characters) is from the slave's perspective I think it could work.
Man in the High Castle is mostly about the ongoing fight against the Nazis, not "hey, look how cool this all is." Or Handmaiden's Tale being about the creation of a literal rape culture and being 99% from the perspective of the victims.
Execution is obviously what will matter in the end, and with GOT having some obviously cringe race stuff in it I'm not filled with a ton of confidence, but maybe they'll learn from it.
Kid Kamikaze10
Member
When George ain't around, the showrunners get to really express themselves.
And I am not surprised a "fucking with black people" ass show is what came out of it.
As for Man in the High Castle, there is a very certain cultural context that makes this different.
And ask most MitHC fans who their favorite characters are. It's usually either the Japanese guy or the Nazi.
I don't want the same here.
And I am not surprised a "fucking with black people" ass show is what came out of it.
As for Man in the High Castle, there is a very certain cultural context that makes this different.
And ask most MitHC fans who their favorite characters are. It's usually either the Japanese guy or the Nazi.
I don't want the same here.
Whoa, Wolfenstein is getting adapted?
Tbh I really wouldn't mind a story of if the confeds won the war if it was handled like Wolfenstien. Wasting Klan members and getting the resistance together sounds like it would be plenty of fun.
ResidentWeevil13
Member
I'm not sure how I feel about this. D&D aren't exactly subtle, and this would be a tightrope walk for even the most thoughtful creative minds.
I wish HBO would invest in something like Underground. An HBO-quality historical series about the American Slave Trade and Civil War is something the public could probably benefit from right now.
I wish HBO would invest in something like Underground. An HBO-quality historical series about the American Slave Trade and Civil War is something the public could probably benefit from right now.
Messofanego
Banned
Maybe this time around black characters will have more positive portrayals and more than just slaves. More like Birth Of A Nation.
Admiral Woofington
Member
What if fucks who don't put condiments on hot dogs won
What if Hillary won?
HeartlessNobody213
Member
I wouldn't get my hopes up. If this was an Ava Duvernay or Steve McQueen led project I could maybe give it the benefit of the doubt. Coming from the GOT creators? Nah don't see it.
I'm cynical on this kind of stuff, so I can almost be certain it will probably have a major "white savior" type angle.
sooperkool
Member
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Considering the people who want to make it, I doubt it.
HighResTomato
Member
Couldn't have black people in GoT, lets make a new show and have them all be slaves?
Man in the High Castle was fantastic and had me liking some of the Nazis - and I'm a Jew. I would love to see more shows like that. Of course, the writing, characters, and story have to be solid.
excelsiorlef
Member
And this is why some folks don't want this show right now in this political climate.
There is not the same level of agreement that the Confederates were the bad guys to make this as palatable as WW2 alt-history.
Nazi flags don't fly in numbers, Nazi statues don't stand in numbers.... Confederate shit does.
And we have a winner. Your going to have to give it a few years though.
Yeah, but it's all fiction - I'm consistently cheering for well-written antagonists. I am not a fan of generic hero characters.
excelsiorlef
Member
Nah man, America in 2017 just got won by racists... this isn't "all" fiction.
There is no need for shows that make you emphasize with horrific racist white supremacist slave owners
As an American, I think studios can make whatever type of show they want and let public decide if it's worth it or not. Creators should be completely free to do whatever they want - whether I agree with them or not.
toastyToast
Member
They should make a show where black people flip the script and become the slave masters if they really wanted to fuck with people.
StrangeRoboMemory
Member
I look forward to this being handled with the sensitivity, tact, and good taste that Benioff and Weiss brought to GoT.
Woah now, we don't want to get too alternate with our histories! Next you're gonna say Jesus wasn't a ripped white guy with great hair.
OG Shaka Zulu
Member
I'm not down for this. There will probably be no Black people behind the scenes calling any shots, which will invite a lot of fuckery.
entremet
Member
I mean, GoT is a fantasy show in a pseudo dark ages setting, inspired by the War of the Roses, not the most peaceful times.
excelsiorlef
Member
Weird I missed the part where I said they should be legally barred from making it...
Spare me this rah rah freedom nonsense