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Gotham S2 |OT| Dawn of Altruism - Mondays 8/7c
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monchi-kun
Member
That's how his last name is spelled the fuck.....
Yeah that was anticlimactic. There was really only one way it could have gone down (because Bruce can't die), which made it pretty predictable. Galavan was a huge threat, but the Order doesn't have the same menace - they're literally cannon fodder in this episode. Why does Bruce have to die on this particular day at this particular time? What will be restored once Bruce is killed, and how? They could have spent five minutes on this and it would have felt a lot more tense, but instead we get some of the weirdest Bruce/Silver scenes in the show. Instead it looks like one mastermind surrounded by a bunch of idiots - Galavan would have been better off without them.
While some of the character shifts were foreshadowed it still felt rushed jamming them into this episode. Gordon was probably going to kill Galavan anyway (because of what happened with the Flamingo killing Parks earlier), but in this episode it felt like he did because it was the midseason finale, rather than because of his feud with Galavan. Silver's character change all happened in this episode - her resistance to Galavan should have been shown in earlier episodes.
It was just all too fast. And then they stuck the Mr. Freeze stinger in the end, which means he's already going around Gotham in his suit freezing people. Which is a bummer for me, because Gotham would have been the perfect venue to tell his origins, rather than already have him be a villain. I hope they can cover it with flashbacks.
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Also, the handling of Lucius Fox was ridiculous and amazing.
"Hey guys, I've been down in this basement the whole time and finally fixed the computer... guys?"
Fox: "Guys, this is dangerous, do you think we need a back up plan?"
Save Bruce Squad: "...nah."
While some of the character shifts were foreshadowed it still felt rushed jamming them into this episode. Gordon was probably going to kill Galavan anyway (because of what happened with the Flamingo killing Parks earlier), but in this episode it felt like he did because it was the midseason finale, rather than because of his feud with Galavan. Silver's character change all happened in this episode - her resistance to Galavan should have been shown in earlier episodes.
It was just all too fast. And then they stuck the Mr. Freeze stinger in the end, which means he's already going around Gotham in his suit freezing people. Which is a bummer for me, because Gotham would have been the perfect venue to tell his origins, rather than already have him be a villain. I hope they can cover it with flashbacks.
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Also, the handling of Lucius Fox was ridiculous and amazing.
"Hey guys, I've been down in this basement the whole time and finally fixed the computer... guys?"
Fox: "Guys, this is dangerous, do you think we need a back up plan?"
Save Bruce Squad: "...nah."
Miles Quaritch
Member
They've essentially decided to treat the kids as adults and it's amazing.
Everything they do, the slaps they take, what they go through, it's basically like it's happening to very short adults.
In the first half of S1, people complained that the kid stories were slowing down the stories with the adult characters.
So that's probably why they are turning the kid characters into mini adults, haha.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Thumbs up on that episode. The last couple have been a little weak, but this was ridiculous in all the best ways. The fight with the monks was a bit of a letdown but it made complete sense. It was guns vs fists & knives.
I laughed so hard when the oldest monk in there pulled a Jumpman Jumpman Jumpman Jumpman. Haha
The entire squad was suited for battle, something we probably won't get again. Just bonkers. I also love how they've given up on the whole "But you're just a kid, Selina..." She shows up and Gordon is like "give her a vest." Lol
The Mr. Freeze stinger was cheesy as fuck in all the worst ways. I know they probably just wanted to write up something real quick, but the whole being chased down a dark alley by an unseen assailant....then the freeze blast. It's kinda lazy. But good for them moving forward with this rise of the villains thing.
And anyone complaining about timelines for villains showing up, what timelines. This isn't a prequel to Batman Begins or anything. It's Gotham. Penguin and Riddler are roommates, Jim wants a good doctor but he needs a bad pussy, there are no rules.
I laughed so hard when the oldest monk in there pulled a Jumpman Jumpman Jumpman Jumpman. Haha
The entire squad was suited for battle, something we probably won't get again. Just bonkers. I also love how they've given up on the whole "But you're just a kid, Selina..." She shows up and Gordon is like "give her a vest." Lol
The Mr. Freeze stinger was cheesy as fuck in all the worst ways. I know they probably just wanted to write up something real quick, but the whole being chased down a dark alley by an unseen assailant....then the freeze blast. It's kinda lazy. But good for them moving forward with this rise of the villains thing.
And anyone complaining about timelines for villains showing up, what timelines. This isn't a prequel to Batman Begins or anything. It's Gotham. Penguin and Riddler are roommates, Jim wants a good doctor but he needs a bad pussy, there are no rules.
I feel like the icy Gotham logo was enough of a tease.
Okay, now I'm curious.
How much time has actually passed between Season 2 premiere and the mid-season fall finale?
For example:
- Episode 6: Nygma kills Ms. Kringle.
- Episode 7: The next day, he wakes up and goes looking for her body parts.
- Episode 8: The next day he finally buries the evidence (Ms. Kringle's body) and stumbles across an injured Penguin.
- Episode 9: The next day, Penguin wakes up in Nygma's place.
So did all four of those episodes happen in the span of 4 days?
Because that would mean Gordon fought Firefly, fought Flamingo, fought evil Barbara, prevented a Penguin assassination plot, figured out Galavan's plan and rescued the Mayor, in the span of 4 days. Which is kind of hilarious to think about, haha.
Also, Galavan had the most fast paced mayoral period of all time.
I agree with this, it was a disappointing episode. I've said before that this show manages to find the balance between its darker, more dramatic themes and the comic book silliness but I didn't feel like this was the case here.
The setup for Bruce's execution was dumb and the monks just look like the most incompetent idiots. That leap the old monk did at the end of the fight was just way too much as well. As far as the Silver/Bruce scenes go I get what they were trying to do and it was neat seeing Bruce figure it out so early but again, the setup for the whole situation was way too contrived and the early parts really dragged. Then there was the Galavan execution which felt rushed, probably because they felt they needed to conclude it in the midseason finale and to give it that "oh snap" moment. Not against Jim going down a darker path and killing Galavan but I didn't much care for how they did it.
Miles Quaritch
Member
What the fuck was up with that stupid leap by the old guy?
And was it just me or was the dialogue all over the place this episode?
Daaaaamn. Tabby ain't fucking around. Hopefully this means we'll see a lot more of her in part 2.
Fuuuuuuck, Gordon going full dark side.
Freeze tease was overdone. Should have left it at the frozen over Gotham sign, but they just had to hit the viewer over the head in case some didn't get it.
And was it just me or was the dialogue all over the place this episode?
Daaaaamn. Tabby ain't fucking around. Hopefully this means we'll see a lot more of her in part 2.
Fuuuuuuck, Gordon going full dark side.
Freeze tease was overdone. Should have left it at the frozen over Gotham sign, but they just had to hit the viewer over the head in case some didn't get it.
Discotheque
Banned
What about the old man's leap in the air? Got me legit shook
Calm waterfall
Banned
This episode felt very rushed imo. To kill of the order of Duma in one episode is pretty ridiculous. Maybe there are more? And what happened? Last week a guy took a knife and did not even bleed yet everyone were downed by bullets? Jim has crossed the line, and Mr. Freeze, yeah.
Enosh
Member
idk what exactly they can do with her in the next half. ruining around gotham doing shit with her niece? maybe revenge, but then she betrayed him because he pushed her too far, so I don't see why she would want revenge
Don't do that
a secret-boss
Banned
That jump is only good set up for Bullock to shoot him
Discotheque
Banned
White Men Can Jump
All caught up and hungry for more.
I don't know where I'd rank Gotham on my list of superhero shows but it's a definite massive improvement on its earlier, rockier days. Definitely shits on Arrow that's for sure. I'd probably put it on par with Flash and AoS. It's great.
You do you, Gotham. Stay crazy.
I don't know where I'd rank Gotham on my list of superhero shows but it's a definite massive improvement on its earlier, rockier days. Definitely shits on Arrow that's for sure. I'd probably put it on par with Flash and AoS. It's great.
You do you, Gotham. Stay crazy.
Great mid season finale, specially compared to walking dead lol. Gordon pulling the trigger was actually pretty big I feel. Specially this way. Doesn't seem to match his "normal" personality. (at least from all the stuff I've seen in various movies/games etc.) Does he have a darker past like this in the comics sometimes?
Just love the feel of this show, it's just so over the top and silly in a good way.
Just love the feel of this show, it's just so over the top and silly in a good way.
Kadayi
Banned
So stupid it was awesome. I look forward to seeing Silver and Tabitha turn up again at some future date. Also I like how much they've inveigled Penguin and Gordon further this season and how he's become Increasingly more and more compromised as the shows gone on. Without meaning to be he's become the bad cop of Gotham City.
This show must be absolutely ridiculous to people who only see it in gifs
I actually saw that shooting gif before seeing season 2.
Now I know the context. It was super weird before.
Especially when last episode one of them got stabbed in the abdomen and it didn't slow him down a bit.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Sooooo confused what you are referencing here. Rewatched the scene in this episode looking for this, but couldn't catch anything. GIF it?
EDIT: Oh, you mean when Gordon's foot passes through the frame? Obviously that was intentional and not something they would have cut.
brotkasten
Member
How refreshing it would be for once, if the villain wouldn't tell his hostage his whole plan and reason behind it all.
Just for once let him quiver in fear, not knowing what's going on, while you start with the ritual. He doesn't need to know anything other that he's going to die. Fucking Theo Galavan, you stupid drama queen.
I really hope Bruce smells the shit Silver is trying to pull and plays her again. I suppose it's a bit much to expect, even after last week, but it would be nice to see.
Go home a be a family man, Jim.
Just kidding! "Just promise me... Never mind"
That delivery was not great.
Aww yes. "I don't love you, I pity you"
That whole setup for the rescue seems really weak. I'm glad Fox pointed that out, but the plot demands the drama, I guess. "Failure is not an option", OK.
Yeah, like I thought, the whole Galavan plot is the worst part of this relatively great season. Whenever he's involved, it's total cartoon time. The whole monk thing is some shitty Saturday morning cartoon stuff. And I don't even mean the weird jump of that guy.
I gotta say, I do love Pengiun's coat, though.
Just for once let him quiver in fear, not knowing what's going on, while you start with the ritual. He doesn't need to know anything other that he's going to die. Fucking Theo Galavan, you stupid drama queen.
I really hope Bruce smells the shit Silver is trying to pull and plays her again. I suppose it's a bit much to expect, even after last week, but it would be nice to see.
Go home a be a family man, Jim.
Just kidding! "Just promise me... Never mind"
That delivery was not great.
Aww yes. "I don't love you, I pity you"
That whole setup for the rescue seems really weak. I'm glad Fox pointed that out, but the plot demands the drama, I guess. "Failure is not an option", OK.
Yeah, like I thought, the whole Galavan plot is the worst part of this relatively great season. Whenever he's involved, it's total cartoon time. The whole monk thing is some shitty Saturday morning cartoon stuff. And I don't even mean the weird jump of that guy.
I gotta say, I do love Pengiun's coat, though.
I believe I can fly, spread my wings and fly away !!!