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Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Bills that Raise California Smoking Age to 21
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Chances are, most liquor stores that need to stay open will keep selling to their regulars.
Fenderputty
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Most of the time you don't, but sometimes you say the oddest shit.
adamsappel
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A vote for Trump notwithstanding, voting isn't dangerous to oneself or others.
And I agree. I would be fine with 18 as a free-for-all age. As it is not, nor has any hope to be, I am fine with alcohol, tobacco and marijuana being age-restricted.
This is very strange for such a liberal state.
If you're old enough to be charged as an adult in court or die for your country in the military, you should be old enough to make your own decisions regarding alcohol and tobacco.
You can't decide when you want to treat someone as a child and when you want to treat them as an adult at your convenience.
If you're old enough to be charged as an adult in court or die for your country in the military, you should be old enough to make your own decisions regarding alcohol and tobacco.
You can't decide when you want to treat someone as a child and when you want to treat them as an adult at your convenience.
HUELEN10
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But then you have the problem of a serviceman getting more rights than a regular citizen. It's kinda all or nothing.
Hellwarden
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Hmmm, mixed feelings on this.
On one hand, smoking is vile. No one should smoke.
On the other hand, people should be able to make their own life choices when they're an adult.
That said, going by what A Fish Aficionado posted, I don't think there's gonna be much resistance to this law.
On one hand, smoking is vile. No one should smoke.
On the other hand, people should be able to make their own life choices when they're an adult.
That said, going by what A Fish Aficionado posted, I don't think there's gonna be much resistance to this law.
This.
WanderingWind
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styl3s
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Unlike cigarettes, Marijuana actually has medical benefits for a lot of people.
You also don't have to smoke it you can do liquid, edibles etc. I don't personally partake in the marijuana but i know people in chronic pain who get relief from it and she prefers it to shoveling bottles of addictive narcotics down her throat.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Knowing what's best for everyone is what the government of California does.
Bare Grills
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Can't wait to buy cigarettes for 18 year olds
Demoskinos
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If you're a legal adult at 18 then you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want within the realm of legality at 18 years old. This shit is insanely stupid and a waste of taxpayer money.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
I'm pretty sure there is enough epidemiological evidence against that.
Binge drinking is a huge problem.
given the trend report I gave, it's probably as equally favorable.
Monocle
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That depends whether the law aims to define the age where someone can make rational decisions as an adult. If health is a relevant factor, a lot of things should be restricted for teens and young adults.
SliceSabre
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I have absolutely no problem with laws that make smoking more expensive and/or harder.
ClosingADoor
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Nothing against is personally, since smoking is bad. But a bit strange that an adult isn't allowed that decision. Same with alcohol really in the US. Just make it 18.
And driving from 18 also instead of 16.
And driving from 18 also instead of 16.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Public health usually doesn't differentiate. Just what is efficacious.
DontBeThatGuy
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Minimum age laws never stopped me.
...You know blunts are way worse for your lungs than the average cigarette, right?
I would have preferred we lowered the drinking age to 18. As long as citizens are allowed to vote and serve the military, they should be allowed everything else that an adult is allowed.
I actually have mostly positive things to say about governor Jerry Brown, but I do not agree with this decision
I actually have mostly positive things to say about governor Jerry Brown, but I do not agree with this decision
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Curious why you think smoking is the only right they appear to have more than "normal" people. There are plenty of benefits to being in the service more substantial than the right to smoke.
Subpar Scrub
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Because you should be allowed to do what adults do. If you join the army, you're an adult. That's why drinking and smoking is 18 in Australia... Because you can't say "You'll be a big boy when you're 21! You'll be able to drink, smoke... A full adult! But for the moment, go die for the nation in conflict."
not as easy as it was when 18 year olds were in high school, in proximity of their younger peers and friends who want to try cigarettes.
smoking and drinking aren't quite the same indicators of adult agency as joining the military, which many people in this country see as a positive thing.
they didn't stop you from smoking, or buying cigarettes?
since there's no such thing as moderate tobacco consumption, and it's a public health hazard, personal responsibility is removed from the equation.
i agree with you on alcohol, simply because there is a realistic expectation of moderate consumption.
there have been many proposals to ban sodas and fatty foods or impose a tax premium. trans fats are banned in many states. again, moderate consumption of junk food is realistic.
DontBeThatGuy
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Both. I knew people that worked in a few stores, and if I didn't, finding someone willing to do it for us was stupid easy(and it wasn't simply one of our older peers). it was the same with alcohol(and weed). We just didn't have much trouble getting a hold of these things, which is the case for many, considering how significant underage drinking still is.
I mean, I quit completely before I even turned 18, so being able to get smokes other ways was an absolute must at all times.
I can't say I have an issue with jacking up prices or increasing the smoking age though.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
ACtive duty military personnel can drink at 18 too.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
All the restrictions should end at 18.
The drinking age being high kind of makes sense. Once high-schoolers can buy booze every high school party will have (more) alcohol. Most high schoolers have access to it, but they have to jump through hoops (fake IDs, older siblings, etc), plus alcohol coupled with their immaturity makes them a danger to others.
But tobacco? I can't imagine a high school party where someone triumphantly walks in with two cartons of Camels and everyone cheers because now they can smoke. This is some nanny-state bullshit (and I hate smoking).
But tobacco? I can't imagine a high school party where someone triumphantly walks in with two cartons of Camels and everyone cheers because now they can smoke. This is some nanny-state bullshit (and I hate smoking).
That's not true.
The fact that he gave concessions to people in the military shows this is a silly law.
So if I'm 18 and in the military I'm good enough to make my own decisions but if I'm going to college or working out of high school I'm not?
I get that from a macro sense it benefits society and the economy when people aren't getting hooked at a younger age, but even at 18, lots of younger folks have access if they want to try and get it. So by making that concession the entire thing just feels hollow.
So if I'm 18 and in the military I'm good enough to make my own decisions but if I'm going to college or working out of high school I'm not?
I get that from a macro sense it benefits society and the economy when people aren't getting hooked at a younger age, but even at 18, lots of younger folks have access if they want to try and get it. So by making that concession the entire thing just feels hollow.
tkscz
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What is this supposed to do? Maybe it's only corner stores in the hood but kids under 18, hell under 16 get cigarettes pretty easily. Paying people over 30 to get them, fake IDs that people barely check before just giving them the cigarettes. Hell, some stores around here just sell them to minors no questions asked. And before someone suggests reporting them and getting them shut down, we kind of needs these corner stores around here so that's not an option.
Dsyndrome
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Where'd you get that from? That's patently false. People get creamed for underage consumption in each service all the time.
The military is trying to curb smoking across the board regardless; smoking on subs was banned in 2012, and at naval bases at least, they changed this year the price advantage for buying tobacco at base exchanges.
Razorback
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If anything they'll look even cooler. Breaking the law is rad.
Unspeakable Evil
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I curious if this will help. Kids started smoking when they were in middle school in my town :/
Uhh... No
Fine by me. It's poison.
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