The actual character rendering in the game is also great.
RDR2 is the best example of budgets helping improve graphics. They had all 7 rockstar studios and some 3000 developers work on one game for five years. ND has around 300-400 devs and made TLOU2 in less than 3 years after shipping Lost Legacy. Both rockstar and ND only hire the most talented devs so salaries should match. Which means Rockstar with 10x bigger team is simply going to cost 10x more to make the same game. only problem is that they took 5 years to make rdr2, and 6 more to make gta6.
Alan Wake 2 targets around 1296p on consoles. thats even lower than 1440p 30 fps targeted by the first ue5 demo. they are really pushing the ps5 gpu hard so assuming ND also settles for 1440p, they are going to run out of the gpu. if they use RT, they are going to be handicapping themselves even more.
So uhhh… rope physics? That’s the example of “integrating new technology” you’re using to back up your argument? And we didn’t have games use convincing rope physics before those 2 naughty dog games? That’s what you’re going with?
Couldn’t have said it better myself. More talented people + more time = better graphics
They simply don’t.
It’s a hyperbolic example to illustrate my thoughts on the matter. I didn’t say anybody said that.
at times they go too far with the contrast and shoving more detail in areas. it is too much and too cluttery as a result. cyberpunk also suffers from this, but not to the same extent.
Artistically they suck I agree. But technically amazing looking.
See the buildings (although I love the reflections and agree it looks better at dawn) look like lego block buildings in this to me - or the sims - just not real looking buildings…One thing I will give Spiderman 2 credit for is their stunning lighting for dusk and dawn. They even hide the flaws of their building models. At least when you are flying above them. They do start to show their age as you get close, but when you are up there it's as next gen as anything ive played this gen.
I remember taking this screenshot of the Matrix Awakens demo a couple of weeks ago to prove to Chiefdada that matrix has better draw distance and doesnt use 2d assets in the distance, but now I must say I did not expect spiderman 2 to look this good in comparison. They might not have the Matrix building quality up close, but from afar and in some lighting conditions, it might even look better.
Not all the peoples at Remedy were working on Alan Wake 2, they were around 130 peoples working on it. The budget for the game was 50 millions.
Yeah in term of tech upgrade Burning Shores only has the new cloud rendering technology, the rest is just mostly the same. Their engine is still not really using the hardware. HFW will be soon two years old son it's not a big surprise that a game like Spider-Man 2 use the PS5 more efficiently.
Or "Death Stranding 2."
As much as I like path tracing and all that, this is a clear example that for now a bit of artistic touch and carefully maximizing a game's strengths triumph above raw power, although HFW is a bit artistic too.This is the only screenshot i took of the dlc and that was to show everyone here how bad it can look at times. compare it to FF16 which keeps a more simplified art style and world level of detail than Burning Shores and you can see just why adding more of everything doesnt always pay off.
yeah, game is very slow. little to no action. might actually be slower than the original alan wake.
Its an interesting discussion point for sure. I honestly dont know. I think they had their own challenges making this game, and with the faster traversal they probably ended up limiting themselves in terms of just how quality those building assets could be. But then again, the ps5 ssd and io should allow for the best of both worlds.
yeah. night time especially exposes the last gen assets. Also the rain is hilariously bad. its fine when you are swinging around (dolby atmos is godly in this, thunder bouncing off my ceiling) but you go on the ground and rain drops only drop in a 10 feet radius around. i remember twitter warriors making fun of starfield just last month about this very thing. note to warriors, dont count your chickens before the hatch.
Problem is that due to their retarded decision to make HFW cross gen, we wont see the true potential of their new engine until 2027-2028 at best. Death stranding will probably come out by 2025 but kojipro is no GG when it comes to pushing decima features. im sure it will look next gen, but gg shouldve updated their roadmap years ago. not in 2023. I see Capcom only just now updating RE engine. Like wtf? this gen is already 3 years old. when do you plan on shipping these games using RE NEXT? 2028 with the PS6 release? RE9 which is due in the next 2 years wont be using this next gen engine either which is very disappointing.
I'm so excited to play, just finishing off the first game as I needed reminding of the story and events
Yeah, I would have preferred to have the same traversal speed as SM1 at higher quality, but then again, I'm the kind that enjoyed the traversal in Death Stranding, lol, so I think I'm not suited for this discussion.
I started to think our impression of these near decade old games (Batman/The Order 1886/Uncharted 4) is maybe less to do with them looking SO unbelievably amazing that they look great almost 10 years later, (although don’t misunderstand the graphics and tech in these games is great and outstanding) and more to do with graphics and game devs having completely parked their lazy asses at the desk of complacency and completely phoning in graphics for the last few years in favor of performance modes and cross gen and in some cases just sheer incompetence
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where have you been??? So much happening lately in the graphics department.Their are certainly last gen aspects to Uncharted 4. You can clearly see where they chose to sacrifice to get it on the old hardware. Character models is definitely not one of those areas though. I really can't think of a game that beats UC4 in that area.
I know but I’m saying we could have that if perhaps we still had people pushing boundaries
What's strange is that for Spider Man 1, I think Insomniac really pushed the hardware. Maybe to show they were capable of handling such a huge IP. Same goes for Ratchet for PS5 as well.
Maybe this is one of those you have to see in person, but I've watched a couple playthroughs of the beginning of the game and I haven't been THAT impressed, I mean it looks really good no doubt, but nothing spectacular to me..Alan Wake II continues to blow my mind. Might be the best looking game I've ever played
Oh yeah completely agree. The PS4 couldn’t run SM1 at up to 70FPS if it’s life depended on it. In fact I believe digital foundry even found that in some real time cutscenes it had to dip to 900p and still had the occasional frame rate drop. It was pushing the PS4.
lol come on with the hyperbole. Uncharted looks good but pales in comparison to some of the shit released this year alone. Let alone cyberpunk, ratchet, demon souls and horizon fw.
These don't really do much for me. I don't know...Meanwhile Alan Wake in 2023:
Courtesy John from DF.
I almost bought it but the shimmering on PS5 would drive me crazy!
