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[hinch7]

I don’t get it. I feel like up until Covid cross-gen was relatively rare. Now it seems like everyone’s expecting crossgen games for years into the new consoles life cycle. What happened?

I mean it doesn't look like it won't run on the X1 hardware on the Switch. Which is a big givaway.

The question is why would they leave millions, no billions on the table on a big launch where it will print money for Nintendo? MK8 Deluxe sold 64.27M on Switch alone https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html

 

[SlimySnake]

I don’t get it. I feel like up until Covid cross-gen was relatively rare. Now it seems like everyone’s expecting crossgen games for years into the new consoles life cycle. What happened?

started last gen actually.

Watch Dogs, Far Cry 4, Thief, Wolfenstein New Order, MGSV, CoD Ghosts, COD Advanced Warfare, BF4 were all cross gen.

This time though the first party publishers followed suit because they knew their fanboys could be counted on to be good little boys who will defend the indefensible. The decisions to make HFW, GoW, GT7, Halo Infinite, Forza Horizon 5 were all made in around 2017-2018. Way before Covid was a thing.

It just came back to bite them in the ass because games that used to take 3 years now take 4 years and covid added another year to that. leading to a longer cross gen period than last gen which lasted around 1-1.5 years.

Nintendo has gone through this several times before. Zelda BOTW was a Wii U title that was pushed back to launch alongside the Switch, but it was as cross gen as it gets. Metroid was greenlit in 2021 over at Rare and they knew Switch 2 would be out by 2025, but they made it a switch 1 game anyway. Again, they know people will buy their new hardware regardless so why push boundaries and make things harder for themselves?

At the end of the day, the console manufacturers have to encourage third party developers to go next gen only so they can sell more consoles. Be it with exclusive funding or just plain old pressure. But this time around, both Sony and MS are basically fat publishers themselves with dozens of studios, and couldnt afford to keep their $100 million games on next gen only consoles waiting for a slow burn in sales. Even if they tried to convince other developers to go next gen only, the developers likely just pointed to their Sony and MS's own lineup of cross gen trash and told them to go fuck themselves.

Now they are paying for it. Sales for Xbox are down 50% year over year in Europe. PS5 are down 20%. And we are just in the fourth year when they should be peaking.

 

[March Climber]

Zelda BOTW was a Wii U title that was pushed back to launch alongside the Switch, but it was as cross gen as it gets.

I didn't see an actual jump with TOTK afterwards. Some slight improvements, but would you call it an actual leap, graphically?

 

[Balducci30]

I mean it doesn't look like it won't run on the X1 hardware on the Switch. Which is a big givaway.

The question is why would they leave millions, no billions on the table on a big launch where it will print money for Nintendo? MK8 Deluxe sold 64.27M on Switch alone https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html

So they can sell their new console, like it’s always been.

started last gen actually.

Watch Dogs, Far Cry 4, Thief, Wolfenstein New Order, MGSV, CoD Ghosts, COD Advanced Warfare, BF4 were all cross gen.

This time though the first party publishers followed suit because they knew their fanboys could be counted on to be good little boys who will defend the indefensible. The decisions to make HFW, GoW, GT7, Halo Infinite, Forza Horizon 5 were all made in around 2017-2018. Way before Covid was a thing.

It just came back to bite them in the ass because games that used to take 3 years now take 4 years and covid added another year to that. leading to a longer cross gen period than last gen which lasted around 1-1.5 years.

Nintendo has gone through this several times before. Zelda BOTW was a Wii U title that was pushed back to launch alongside the Switch, but it was as cross gen as it gets. Metroid was greenlit in 2021 over at Rare and they knew Switch 2 would be out by 2025, but they made it a switch 1 game anyway. Again, they know people will buy their new hardware regardless so why push boundaries and make things harder for themselves?

At the end of the day, the console manufacturers have to encourage third party developers to go next gen only so they can sell more consoles. Be it with exclusive funding or just plain old pressure. But this time around, both Sony and MS are basically fat publishers themselves with dozens of studios, and couldnt afford to keep their $100 million games on next gen only consoles waiting for a slow burn in sales. Even if they tried to convince other developers to go next gen only, the developers likely just pointed to their Sony and MS's own lineup of cross gen trash and told them to go fuck themselves.

Now they are paying for it. Sales for Xbox are down 50% year over year in Europe. PS5 are down 20%. And we are just in the fourth year when they should be peaking.

Right I know Nintendo has done it in the past with Zelda and some other games - but it’s never been nearly every game for years like it’s been with xsx and ps5. The whole “leaving money on the table” is dumb - why make another console then? If you wanna sell the new one you have to have games that are exclusive to that hardware - they did this with switch to a degree and it worked out so I don’t get the thought process that they shouldn’t focus on building games for the new console if they want people to buy it.

 

[SlimySnake]

Bend and Bluepoint were both making live service games for the last four years, both of which were just canceled lmao

Sony is now working with both studios to determine what they will do next. Bend ihasnt made a game since 2019. Blue point since 2020. They will be a now show until 2030-2032.

It’sa shame how poorly these amazing studios were managed. Bp made the best looking game at launch and bend made arguably the best looking ue4 game last Gen. Their reward? One director Fired 3 days after launch. Other 6 months later.

Sonys mismanagement of these graphics powerhouses is a big part of the reason why this Gen has been so underwhelming. Literally the cream of the crop was forced to slave away on gaas and last Gen games.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

Bend and Bluepoint were both making live service games for the last four years, both of which were just canceled lmao

Sony is now working with both studios to determine what they will do next. Bend ihasnt made a game since 2019. Blue point since 2020. They will be a now show until 2030-2032.

It’sa shame how poorly these amazing studios were managed. Bp made the best looking game at launch and bend made arguably the best looking ue4 game last Gen. Their reward? One director Fired 3 days after launch. Other 6 months later.

Sonys mismanagement of these graphics powerhouses is a big part of the reason why this Gen has been so underwhelming. Literally the cream of the crop was forced to slave away on gaas and last Gen games.

Exactly.

 

[analog_future]

Bend and Bluepoint were both making live service games for the last four years, both of which were just canceled lmao

Sony is now working with both studios to determine what they will do next. Bend ihasnt made a game since 2019. Blue point since 2020. They will be a now show until 2030-2032.

It’sa shame how poorly these amazing studios were managed. Bp made the best looking game at launch and bend made arguably the best looking ue4 game last Gen. Their reward? One director Fired 3 days after launch. Other 6 months later.

Sonys mismanagement of these graphics powerhouses is a big part of the reason why this Gen has been so underwhelming. Literally the cream of the crop was forced to slave away on gaas and last Gen games.

I think we've reached the point where it's going to be pretty safe to assume that the PS5 is going to be the worst console generation in Playstation history.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

DOOM: The Dark Ages uses ray tracing to enhance gameplay, not just visuals

DOOM: The Dark Ages is on track to become one the best-looking games of 2025 thanks to DLSS 4 and Path Tracing. It's also using RT to enhance gameplay.

www.tweaktown.com

 

[SlimySnake]

DOOM: The Dark Ages uses ray tracing to enhance gameplay, not just visuals

DOOM: The Dark Ages is on track to become one the best-looking games of 2025 thanks to DLSS 4 and Path Tracing. It's also using RT to enhance gameplay.

www.tweaktown.com

"We also took the idea of ray tracing, not only to use it for visuals but also gameplay," Director of Engine Technology at id Software, Billy Khan, explains. "We can leverage it for things we haven't been able to do in the past, which is giving accurate hit detection. [In DOOM: The Dark Ages], we have complex materials, shaders, and surfaces."

"So when you fire your weapon, the heat detection would be able to tell if you're hitting a pixel that is leather sitting next to a pixel that is metal," Billy continues. "Before ray tracing, we couldn't distinguish between two pixels very easily, and we would pick one or the other because the materials were too complex. Ray tracing can do this on a per-pixel basis and showcase if you're hitting metal or even something that's fur. It makes the game more immersive, and you get that direct feedback as the player."

lol come on. this is just PR. you will never notice per pixel hit detection.

 

[SlimySnake]

I think we've reached the point where it's going to be pretty safe to assume that the PS5 is going to be the worst console generation in Playstation history.

i was kinda bullish on them ending the gen strong thinking both Bend and Bluepoint would have their games ready by the end of the gen.

But now?

2025 - Death stranding 2 and ghost of tsushima 2
2026 - Wolverine
2027 - Intergellactic
2028 - Horizon 3

i have zero faith in other studios to turn up now. who knows what they had Housemarque and SSM doing. Cory has been working on his game since 2018. if you cant show anything in 6 years then its likely getting canceled too.

DS2 is basically a third party game now that sony doesnt even own the IP. so thats 4 games in 4 years. they used to release 4 games in one year back in the ps3 and several ps4 years.

IN terms of graphics though, intergallactic was a disappointment. wolverine looks last gen in the leaks. ghosts looks underwhelming like spiderman 2 so it will just be GG who we can all look forward to blowing us away again.

 

[Gonzito]

Bend and Bluepoint were both making live service games for the last four years, both of which were just canceled lmao

Sony is now working with both studios to determine what they will do next. Bend ihasnt made a game since 2019. Blue point since 2020. They will be a now show until 2030-2032.

It’sa shame how poorly these amazing studios were managed. Bp made the best looking game at launch and bend made arguably the best looking ue4 game last Gen. Their reward? One director Fired 3 days after launch. Other 6 months later.

Sonys mismanagement of these graphics powerhouses is a big part of the reason why this Gen has been so underwhelming. Literally the cream of the crop was forced to slave away on gaas and last Gen games.

Man I just woke up to this news, this is just pathetic. How has Sony sunk so low, goddammit...