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Borderlands' art style, while controversial, was in my view the right choice. Cel-shading ages gracefully, I can still play the first one, which is 16 years old, and enjoy some of the vistas it has to offer.
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Damn it, beat me to it. Just stumbled upon it on Twitter and came to post it. This is fucking ridiculous and retarded and of the highest level too!!!
SlimySnake
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depends on the settings. This game is letting users select a lot more settings than you typically see on UE5 games. If you want console settings, you can easily do 4k dlss quality.
The foliage setting alone literally doubles the draw distance compared to consoles. There are several different settings for volumetrics, reflections and geometry. You almost never see that in UE5 games which typically hide these settings behind generic UE5 presets. So if these settings are 2-3x more expensive compared to console settings then of course you wont be able to run at dlss quality AND improve all these settings on a 2.4-3x more powerful GPU like the 5080.
Point is that they are letting PC gamers push these settings in order to future proof the game like RDR2 did at launch, and are being crucified for it.
Lastly, Cyberpunk Path tracing was designed and implemented by nvidia which is why it scales gracefully on the 5080 and other nvidia cards and makes it perform 5x better than the ps5 and other cards of that era. Otherwise, the 5080 is roughly in line with AMD GPUs in ray tracing games like avatar, ac shadows, and outlaws.
SlimySnake
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Didnt RAGE come out at the same time? I liked its look more. cant find any non-bullshots for it so i will download and try it out today.Borderlands' art style, while controversial, was in my view the right choice. Cel-shading ages gracefully, I can still play the first one, which is 16 years old, and enjoy some of the vistas it has to offer.
RAGE was another game unfairly criticized at launch for its visuals even though it ran great for me.
saintjules
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Since you guys were talking about it earlier, and since DF hasn't bothered to do a video about it yet, the only source that's covered Hell is Us.
Foliage draw and density seems to be the biggest difference between console Quality and Performance mode.
But on the flip side, it's admirable that all console versions with Performance modes seem to be a flat 60.
This youtuber is inaccurate with their work. I'm sure you heard a mod discuss that some time ago. I will wait on DF.
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GymWolf
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Her face look decent i guess, the only positive i can find.
GooseMan69
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Pure speculation but my theory is that Sucker Punch got hung up making some GAAS bullshit, had to cancel, and pivoted fast and hard to Yotei. Have they even vaguely alluded to any tech improvements? Same assets, same animations, same everything. Even the other Sony sequels this gen were more ambitious than this.
metareferential
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The "it's all business" argument is the dumbest shit ever.
Games are just that, idiot. xD
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SlimySnake
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Spiderman 2 had a pretty decent uplift without using RTGI. HFW as well. This is just laziness just like GOW Ragnorak, Astrobot, and DS2.
Alan Wake 2, FF16, and Space Marine 2 dont use any ray tracing either. That is not a requirement to make games look next gen. You can push baked lighting as long as you mix it in with high quality assets, expensive volumetric effects, and foliage. These guys didnt even try.
Watch John from DF give it a 50 minute tribute like he did with TLOU1 and DS2 while twitter praises it for running at 1440p 60 fps and not improving graphics.
Minari
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Only graphically
She ugly as sin
metareferential
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That's art.
GymWolf
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I think she looks better than the real life actress, and the ingame face is just average, not ugly not beatiful.
Not every asian woman is a 10\10, and without heavy makeup that percentage crumble even more.
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Msamy
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Truly fuck them while game like phantom blade zero didn't use rtgi or nanite and it looks next gen compared to this shit
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analog_future
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Very impressed with Indiana Jones - Order of the Giants:
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Luipadre
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StunningVery impressed with Indiana Jones - Order of the Giants:
Is this running at 15 fps or do i already have braindmg from watching too much of this?
blastprocessor
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GymWolf
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Game can look stunning and ugly based on the room\location, the plague of this gen unless you are a 5 hours walking sim with crazy bitches screaming in your hears...Very impressed with Indiana Jones - Order of the Giants:
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Balducci30
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Huh… I have to imagine this will look better in person? It looks like crossgen ragnarok level rn which in 2025 is crazy
Minari
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She is barely a woman...
Arioco
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Jack Howitzer
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Yeah like these outdoor level terrain textures become a blurry mess 50 cm away,
path tracing but with water reflections still looks like nonexistent, next gen level stunning
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ChiefDada
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A far cry from the first trailer they showed and just all around shameful mark on Sony 1st party reputation.
They've been very busy lately celebrating assassination, please understand.
Can we keep this shit out of this thread, please?
Arioco
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Of course you can. I won't unless you're a mod here, but you definitely can a probably should.
Who is this clown? Dont tell me he is a dev or journalist. I swear to god these lazy asses want to drag everyone down to mediocrity, like those kids at school who act like trying hard is dumb and pretentious just because they feel like mediocrity should be the limit because that's all they could muster due to their mindset.
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analog_future
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Yeah like these outdoor level terrain textures become a blurry mess 50 cm away,
path tracing but with water reflections still looks like nonexistent, next gen level stunning
Yeah, bodies of water are terrible in this game.
It can be a mixed bag visually but when it shines, it really shines.
Sept Terrion Of Nothing
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Yeah like these outdoor level terrain textures become a blurry mess 50 cm away,
path tracing but with water reflections still looks like nonexistent, next gen level stunning
Even with these photos, they still look much more better and cohesive than Yotei. All AAA or first party games should use RT techniques to some degree. Or at least give solid bake lighting presentation.
Apparently "5 years gap, DLC looking and feeling first party game" classification doesn't fit in this group.
Your obsessed hate campaign against this game has been truly entertaining!
Toots
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RAGE was Carmack pet project, and the game supposed to usher the era of megatextures if i rmember correctly.
It was really beautiful when it came out and pushed a lot of new features, but then again it was carmack project through and through so of course the tech was mindblowing.
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Tbh i never finished the game but it wasn't bad. Shooting felt good as with any ID-tech game.
Gfx were good at the time but the texture pop-in when turning the camera fast was horrendous. Also from afar it looked great but the closer you got the more obvious the low res textures became.
Played Wolfenstein Old Blood (same engine) a while ago and had to google how to fix the texture pop-in.
Turned out you have to create a certain folder in the game directory so the engine creates a texture cache or something, that mostly fixed it.
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I played the first 20 minutes of RAGE, and it still looks impressive as long as you don't get too close to anything. Up close the illusion breaks, the textures are simply terrible by modern standards. And it plays like hot garbage, the controls are extremely floaty.
SlimySnake
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the level of detail in this game (and in doom) is really last gen. and im not talking about the water. jus thte ground level detail and overall detail in levels. Of course path tracing brings out the detail on some of these objects, but clearly not everywhere. this is why i was really pissed at them giving it graphics goty over hellblade 2.Yeah like these outdoor level terrain textures become a blurry mess 50 cm away,
path tracing but with water reflections still looks like nonexistent, next gen level stunning
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
And necessary. We bitch about black leads in games set in Japan, ugly female leads, woke trans idealogies, poor performance in UE5 games, ray tracing artifacts, PSSR artifacts, it's time we get obsessed over lazy devs making last gen games then selling them for $70 after already charging us $550 for a console with the worst first party lineup in playstation history.
i wish more people were obsessed over garbage like this.
Msamy
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My hate for it's Graphics comes from expectations for developers who was one of my favorite developers last gen, then they give you this bullshit after more than 5 years of development and can't even reach the graphics quality of some cross gen titles like hfw or even that E3 2018 tsushima trailer
SlimySnake
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I think people were just too spoiled back then with a lot more choices. You had an amazing Bioshock game. Half Life 2 Orange box in 2007. Halo 3 and Reach had Bungie firing on all cylinders. CoD and Battlefield were putting out bangers year after year. PS gamers had Resistance, KZ2. Far Cry 3 was amazing. You had original shit like Bulletstorm and Borderlands. Next to them, Rage might have felt like a mid game. I thought the graphics were incredible and the main reason why i still remember the game. shooting was competent, but i enjoyed bulletstorm, far cry 3, borderlands, and other shooters a whole lot more.
If it came out today in an era where Halo is dead, CoD is trash, Sony shooters are MIA, Avatar and Doom turned out to be mid, and borderlands still doing the same shit it was doing in 2009 then maybe it would stand out a bit more.
I wonder if we will ever go back to that ps360 era where devs were not afraid of taking risks. everything feels so samey nowadays.
GymWolf
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The actual shooting was as good or better than fc3, borderlands or bulletstorm tbh and unless my memory is fucked, graphically i don't think it was inferior to 3\4 of your list but i could be wrong, i played the game at launch so it has been a while.
It was basic ass shooting compared to bulletstorm or bioshock or fc3 that had way more tools and variety but it felt great hitting people, i clearly remember people still posting the hit reaction gifs of rage sometimes here on gaf.
Btw, yotei must be the first sony open world where i'm not even interested in watching the trailers, i don't even know why i preordered this thing other than getting rid of ds2 and get a discount on something...
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GymWolf
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Maybe now it would feel floaty but at the times i didn't noticed that much, hitting enemies was satysfying and it was enough to me.
I played the console version at 30 fps so maybe that was partially the reason why i didn't noticed the floatiness that much, the framerate was probably chugging a lot in the most intense scenes.
GooseMan69
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That nighttime lighting is so bad. Compare this to the TLOU II forest sequence and it's actually a joke. I hate when games are lit like this. It's like they just slap that nasty blue filter on and call it a day. Make it actually fucking dark.
Rage was a nearly perfect 60 fps on PS360. Technological marvel.
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GymWolf
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Well my memory is shit then
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Maybe it feels better on a controller? I need to give it a try on my Steam Deck.
God this looks so dated, wtf have they been doing for the past 5 years ?
Looks like the worst looking Sony current gen game
GymWolf
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Looks much worse than horizon that is crossgen.
I'm not even sure it looks overall better than ragnarock...
GooseMan69
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I'd argue Ragnarok was a bigger jump.
GymWolf
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The fact that we are even arguing speak volume.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
i thought ragnorak looked virtually identical like ghosts.
they even said that they didnt bother utilizing the ps5 to improve graphics because they didnt want the ps4 gamers feeling left out. the game ended up selling like 90% of its copies on the ps5 anyway. a bunch of fucking idiots.
ChiefDada
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I tried. I really, really tried. Perhaps I could've forgiven the graphics. After all, we've yet to see this game running on PS5 Pro. But wtf is with the brain dead AI contextual animation? Look at the damn wolf! WTF!? And this isn't a one-off otherwise I wouldn't be so bothered... You see this sort of NPC behavior rampant in all of these promo videos Sony is releasing.
We are approaching Life of Black Tiger levels of development retardation here.
Sorry guys but I'm just so frustrated on what could/should have been.
We are approaching Life of Black Tiger levels of development retardation here.
Sorry guys but I'm just so frustrated on what could/should have been.
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