Buggy Loop
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That post captured the essence of DF perfectly
Im just speechless regarding the technical presentation of Crimson Desert, this game is absolutely beaitiful and a technical masterpiece, without a question the most beautiful Open World game in the market right now, and its hard to think that future games can exceed that. Especially with Ray Reconstruction it looks fantastic, almost like a movie. The lightning, the asset quality, everything looks superb, every material looks real.
Here some screenshots I made in 4K DLDSR Ultrawide, max settings, Ray Reconstruction and Reshade:
Here some screenshots I made in 4K DLDSR Ultrawide, max settings, Ray Reconstruction and Reshade:
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Not just pop-in. Draw distance. For the longest time, i was the only one pointing out just how bad the draw distance in Horizon FW could get. DF made no mention of how 99% of the map is blocked by fog.
Cyberpunk also has really bad pop-in especially when driving. Silence from DF.
They need to fix the pop-in up close in Crimson Desert, but at least they have a phenomenal draw distance for distant objects. I have no idea how you get that part right and completely fuck up whats right in front of you.
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omfgIm just speechless regarding the technical presentation of Crimson Desert, this game is absolutely beaitiful and a technical masterpiece, without a question the most beautiful Open World game in the market right now, and its hard to think that future games can exceed that. Especially with Ray Reconstruction it looks fantastic, almost like a movie. The lightning, the asset quality, everything looks superb, every material looks real.
Here some screenshots I made in 4K DLDSR Ultrawide, max settings, Ray Reconstruction and Reshade:
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Black Myth 2 maxed out on PC/PS6 shouldn't be too far off from this... imo
If they still go the linear route.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
its not hopium, nvidia told Digital Foundry and other journalists that they already have this running on a single 5090 in their labs.
I have no doubt they will be able to get this to run on a single GPU. they already said it scales with compute so other GPUs will simply scale down with resolution and settings.
The real problem is that the tech in its current state is guessing like you said. And its guessing because its poorly implemented. It's not done at the engine level. it does not have access to the zero LOD models. Concept art. It simply looks at whats on screen and hallucinates an image based on what its trained on. Hence, the massive completely different lighting and character models.
I would never play a game like this for the first time. Maybe i will for shits and giggles because i love me some photorealism, but this is a poor man's vision of the future. It is bastardization of what gaming and art is about. If Nvidia was serious, they wouldve released an AI model that takes regular games and applies path tracing to them even if GPUs cant afford to run them. But that would require integration into each game's engine and training on the path tracing model.
You have to wonder why they went with this AI model thats trained on photorealistic assets instead of path traced versions of games that exist today. It's because they are too busy smelling their own farts.
Bojji
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Crimson desert has pretty good NPC models for such massive open world game (and they all have Ai unlike many other recent games where they are just static objects). The worst thing about them are materials and polycounts on clothes.
MCs are much better:
Kliff looks badass here
Outside of that clipping on cape...
For random side characters, I'm impressed:
Sorry for awful too bright/too dark pictures. Capturing HDR screenshots is fucking pain on PC.
MCs are much better:
Kliff looks badass here
Outside of that clipping on cape...For random side characters, I'm impressed:
Sorry for awful too bright/too dark pictures. Capturing HDR screenshots is fucking pain on PC.
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Balducci30
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Not very impressed with crimson desert aside from the water and how everything like cloths and stuff move. Game kinda sucks as well, wish I didn't buy.
Bojji
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i think it looks amazing graphically (and I like it as well).
It looks 2x better on actual screen with HDR.
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Balducci30
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I'm playing on base ps5 idk if that makes a differencei think it looks amazing graphically (and I like it as well).
It looks 2x better on actual screen with HDR.
Bojji
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Base PS5 version has image quality problem in performance mode. Game can't really show you details under TAA blur with 1080p base resolution.
If you have 120Hz tv - try balanced mode.
I think they could have limit some graphical options and try to Force FSR3 1080->4K reconstruction on base console, even FSR3 would look much better than what they have used here...
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RainyNguyen
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I genuinely dont understand why so many ppls are amazed by and praising the graphic of Crimson Desert, even calling it "next-gen". Have they actually played other open world game? Compared to ACS, and especially RDR2, which has a fairly similar environment CD falls far behind, by a huge margin.
My feedback of the graphics after more than a dozen hours of playing at 4K, max settings (without RR):
- The AA is extremely poor. I haven't tried native resolution yet, but I've tested all DLSS modes and none of them fix the aliasing. For a game with this much vegetation, it becomes even more of a disaster. Why is no one talking about this?
- Pop-in and pixelated everywhere, all the time.
- The water physics looks next-gen, but the water surface textures are blurry af, waterfalls also look very bad.
- The weather effects are underwhelming. Rain, in particular, is honestly terrible, like something from a PS3 game. At first I thought it was a bug, but after watching a few clips on youTube, it looks just as bad there.
-The lighting uses advanced RT, but it still falls far short of the baked lighting in RDR2. Moonlight, light rays filtering through forest canopies, sunrise, sunset, storms, lightning in RDR2 are truly stunning, but here, they feel extremely lackluster.
- Why is the contrast so fking high? Even during the day, shadows are pitch black like its the blackhole. The green of grass and foliage looks artificial, almost like plastic with LED lights inside.
- Torch and fire lighting at night is overly red, almost as if it's trying to burn your eyes.
The only thing truly worth praising is its top tier optimization.
Previously, there was another game praised as "next-gen" and "CGI-level" that I couldn't understand either: FF 16.
My feedback of the graphics after more than a dozen hours of playing at 4K, max settings (without RR):
- The AA is extremely poor. I haven't tried native resolution yet, but I've tested all DLSS modes and none of them fix the aliasing. For a game with this much vegetation, it becomes even more of a disaster. Why is no one talking about this?
- Pop-in and pixelated everywhere, all the time.
- The water physics looks next-gen, but the water surface textures are blurry af, waterfalls also look very bad.
- The weather effects are underwhelming. Rain, in particular, is honestly terrible, like something from a PS3 game. At first I thought it was a bug, but after watching a few clips on youTube, it looks just as bad there.
-The lighting uses advanced RT, but it still falls far short of the baked lighting in RDR2. Moonlight, light rays filtering through forest canopies, sunrise, sunset, storms, lightning in RDR2 are truly stunning, but here, they feel extremely lackluster.
- Why is the contrast so fking high? Even during the day, shadows are pitch black like its the blackhole. The green of grass and foliage looks artificial, almost like plastic with LED lights inside.
- Torch and fire lighting at night is overly red, almost as if it's trying to burn your eyes.
The only thing truly worth praising is its top tier optimization.
Previously, there was another game praised as "next-gen" and "CGI-level" that I couldn't understand either: FF 16.
Codeblew
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Probably because this isn't the thread for reviews?
Bojji
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RDR2 looked like PS4 game when it launched and it still looks like PS4 game (just with high resolution and frame rate on pc).
I don't get why people are so obsessed about visuals of 2018 title. It's not in the same league as crimson desert (or AC shadows).
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SlimySnake
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Man, this game is such a disappointment graphically. Not because it doesnt look excellent, it does! But its image quality and shadow flickering just ruins the immersion for me. It just feels like a very unstable image and i hate it. the lighting, the foliage, the art design, the NPCs, the materials on the NPCs, ray tracing, all are top notch but i saw these weird squiggly line artifacts when i went to the abyss and moving from performance to quality didnt exactly fix anything.
the open world trees and foliage doesnt resolve that well either with dlss performance. interiors are just amazing looking and feel path traced. this is way better interior lighting than anything ive seen from avatar and ac shadows. there is so much to like here. i love how detailed the world feels. i love the NPC routines. this feels like a rockstar game with just how much NPCs do in towns, villages and around the open world.
but not having rt sun shadows is causing a very unstable image that dlss performance just cant fix. i went down to 30 fps and dlss quality and its still not clean enough. its not bad, but just not clean like other games ive played this gen on consoles including UE5 and snowdrop games. for a game thats supposed to be super optimized, i am disappointed in just how poor it runs even at dlss performance and looks far worse (image clarity wise) than mafia did at 720p internal resolution.
the open world trees and foliage doesnt resolve that well either with dlss performance. interiors are just amazing looking and feel path traced. this is way better interior lighting than anything ive seen from avatar and ac shadows. there is so much to like here. i love how detailed the world feels. i love the NPC routines. this feels like a rockstar game with just how much NPCs do in towns, villages and around the open world.
but not having rt sun shadows is causing a very unstable image that dlss performance just cant fix. i went down to 30 fps and dlss quality and its still not clean enough. its not bad, but just not clean like other games ive played this gen on consoles including UE5 and snowdrop games. for a game thats supposed to be super optimized, i am disappointed in just how poor it runs even at dlss performance and looks far worse (image clarity wise) than mafia did at 720p internal resolution.
I don't understand why people think this looks good. I'm legit shocked that people in this thread think this looks next gen..i think it looks amazing graphically (and I like it as well).
It looks 2x better on actual screen with HDR.
Jesb
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I mean anywhere really. But you're right that this is a thread for eye candy.
SlimySnake
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RainyNguyen
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So let me remind you what RDR2 actually looks like.
These are images I took from a thread on ...Era, captured on November 6, 2019 just a day after the PC version launched. So these are definitely from the base game, with no additional graphics mods ( or possibly with a simple ReShade preset )
Now compare them to the CD images above, doesn't CD look rather ordinary? Keep in mind, these are still shots. During actual gameplay, CD reveals quite a few shortcomings (pixelated, pop-in, underwhelming weather systems/ lighting, cheap-looking color grading). A longer draw distance or sharper textures doesn't automatically make a game look better.
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geary
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Uh oh, some players have discovered that Crimson Desert may have been using some AI-generated art here…
Time to get extremely worked-up & pretend it's the end of the world.
What proof is there that they are AI geneated. We have similar pictures in World of Warcraft Vanilla in 2004
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When it comes to pure visual fidelity. I think this game and Hellblade 2 will duke it out for tops this gen.
China is going to cook next gen. I think it will be the most interesting and refreshing gen of our adult lives because of them finally getting into the AAA space.
We have a whole other region to ancitipate games from now, and they will develop their own style. Seems to be they care about visuals on a whole. The West can be hit or miss, Japan as a whole doesnt give a shit about graphics. South Korea and China seem to place them at high level of importance.
Cant wait to see what these new age devs cook up on next gen hardware.
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GymWolf
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Yeah i'm liking the game but i'm mostly unimpressed by the graphic.
Best i can say is that it feels almost like a rockstar game in terms of npcs and animations variety, the cities feel alive.
Btw 4k native look even better than dlaa so in the end i went with that.
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Xtib81
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I'd rather have poor draw distance than crazy pop in tbh because there are more ways to hide bad draw distance. But I hate when these journalists say 'the game looks phenomenal' and there's pop in everywhere.
They won't be able to fix it in CD, it's inherent to the engine I guess. I hear it's even much worse in their MMO.
GymWolf
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Now this is some actual impressing graphic
When it comes to pure visual fidelity. I think this game and Hellblade 2 will duke it out for tops this gen.
China is going to cook next gen. I think it will be the most interesting and refreshing gen of our adult lives because of them finally getting into the AAA space.
We have a whole other region to ancitipate games from now, and they will develop their own style. Seems to be they care about visuals on a whole. The West can be hit or miss, Japan as a whole doesnt give a shit about graphics. South Korea and China seem to place them at high level of importance.
Cant wait to see what these new age devs cook up on next gen hardware.
Sept Terrion Of Nothing
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Uh oh, some players have discovered that Crimson Desert may have been using some AI-generated art here…
Time to get extremely worked-up & pretend it's the end of the world.
Oh my!!! What will we do??!!??
Seems these idiots are the new viruses after the DEI/woke virus shit. Instead of enjoying a game they waste their time on this.
GymWolf
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SlimySnake
did you even tried native or dlaa to check the resolution bug?Even with rr and dlss quality the textures get muddy at anything different than native res.
If i have time i'm gonna post a comparison rr vs native res.
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BlownUpRich
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So let me remind you what RDR2 actually looks like.
These are images I took from a thread on ...Era, captured on November 6, 2019 just a day after the PC version launched. So these are definitely from the base game, with no additional graphics mods ( or possibly with a simple ReShade preset )
Now compare them to the CD images above, doesn't CD look rather ordinary? Keep in mind, these are still shots. During actual gameplay, CD reveals quite a few shortcomings (pixelated, pop-in, underwhelming weather systems/ lighting, cheap-looking color grading). A longer draw distance or sharper textures doesn't automatically make a game look better.
Better art style but technologically, Crimson Desert beats in handily in just about everything. RTGI & geometry alone puts it far ahead of RDR2.
Myuni
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I've been fucking around with this DLSS 5 meme AI filter to approximate what the RE9 DLSS 5 implementation might look like.
First of all, this filter has a hard time interpreting zombies:
But I like the extra details added. Properly done, this will be a game changer IMO, also for shadows, since even path tracing is struggling here (or isn't applied to the zombies' hair at all):
Already highly detailed models don't benefit that much. In addition, the environmental lighting has been completely changed in this example:
Consistency does not seem to be an issue. The reimagined singer is pretty much the same person in each shot. It fits the path-traced template reasonably well, though she's been transformed into a human again:
I'm excited to see what Capcom is going to do with this.
For low-fi side characters, this tech will be revolutionary. The only question is how long it will take to implement it correctly into games.
First of all, this filter has a hard time interpreting zombies:
But I like the extra details added. Properly done, this will be a game changer IMO, also for shadows, since even path tracing is struggling here (or isn't applied to the zombies' hair at all):
Already highly detailed models don't benefit that much. In addition, the environmental lighting has been completely changed in this example:
Consistency does not seem to be an issue. The reimagined singer is pretty much the same person in each shot. It fits the path-traced template reasonably well, though she's been transformed into a human again:
I'm excited to see what Capcom is going to do with this.
For low-fi side characters, this tech will be revolutionary. The only question is how long it will take to implement it correctly into games.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I did but the frame rate was like 20 so it was impossible to get a sense of the image quality with how laggy it was.
Even with rr and dlss quality the textures get muddy at anything different than native res.
If i have time i'm gonna post a comparison rr vs native res.
GymWolf
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Nah dude you have to disable rr for the comparison.
Even if rr introduce "better settings", it is no use when everything get blurrier.
Try dlss 4.5 dlaa or even better native and everything else maxed out except rr, your pc should be able to handle it, at worse go from lighting from max to cinematic.
I can't go back from native, no matter how much the ao is better with rr.
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GymWolf
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Btw i started noticing the pop in, i was looking for distant things but it mostly happen with the ground clatter under your feet while walking, very distracting when you finally notice it.
They need to squash all these weird stuff if they want the game to shine, the resolution one is fucking terrible because if make all dlss except dlaa worthless in term of iq.
They need to squash all these weird stuff if they want the game to shine, the resolution one is fucking terrible because if make all dlss except dlaa worthless in term of iq.
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Gonzito
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Set foliage to medium. It fixes the problem
GymWolf
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I guess you are talking about the pop in problem.
mrMUR_96
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I meant that it could access the game pipeline data instead of just motion vectors. Nvidia don't talk about that at all.
Gonzito
Gold Member
Yes. The clutter and grass popping
BlownUpRich
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I imagine they went this road with DLSS 5 (for now) because they want to gain a competitive advantage over AMD & have broad support for any given engine out there. But I don't think they expected this kind of backlash, a backlash which I don't agree with, I agree with some criticisms, but still, we'll see what its final form will be.
At this point, I don't think we can rule out a DLSS 5 delay to 2027, maybe they'll work real hard for it & release it around the 60-series cards.
Zorah CES 2025 demo used Nvidia's Neural Rendering solutions& they were baked right into the engine (it's UE5), not like DLSS 5 now, but that will take time until other developers get up to speed.
Buggy Loop
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Your memories of RDR 2 are rose tinted
Huge sun flare or dramatic overcast is not an argument. Congrats, you spent more time setting up for a screenshot than he did randomly looking at NPCs in Crimson Desert
Having played it recently on PC, Crimson desert wipes the floor with it.
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BlackKamenRider
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UE5 in tears
coachmcguirk91
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It is not all about graphic fidelity when it comes to how good a game looks. RDR2 has S tier animations, world reactivity, and art design. In motion, few games this generation look better than RDR2
My biggest problem with Crimson Desert is the art design. It is too cartoony while trying to be realistic in certain areas. It doesn't feel distinct at all. Very bland. The contrast is a bit jarring
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Buggy Loop
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Crimson desert has pretty good NPC models for such massive open world game (and they all have Ai unlike many other recent games where they are just static objects). The worst thing about them are materials and polycounts on clothes.
MCs are much better:
Kliff looks badass here
For random side characters, I'm impressed:
Sorry for awful too bright/too dark pictures. Capturing HDR screenshots is fucking pain on PC.
Boji, where the fuck are the photo mode screenshots on PC? I thought I would find them in steam screenshot folder as usual but they're not there?