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Deg said:
Of course. Thats why MKDD sold so bad. :)

MKDD is one game, and a great one. But GC was very promising in 2002, more so than Xbox. But in 2003 and 2004 it has declined. It's the awful true :(
 
Deg said:
The n64 puts a wrench in your argument because it satisfied almost no one. I think they have the capability to make better decisions this time round so we'll see. GC is making a good amount of profit showing that they do know what they are doing in the business running focused side of things at the very least.

I think MS are the ones who to worry the most. Their management hasnt been up to snuff. Their losses are huge to boot.

N64 had problems satisfying consumers true but IMO it was better than GC. The N64 at least had those blockbuster exclusives like Mario 64. It had a significant hardware edge that the GC does not. There were reasons to drag the N64 out of the closet because every once in a while a game would come out that would be both fantastic and beyond the abilities of the PSX. Goldeneye, Mario, Waverace, Pilotwings, OoT, Majora, Banjo, Conker; heck even some third party stuff like SF Rush. Gamecube has none of this. Pretty much everything on GC can be found elsewhere, usually in superior form.
 
Shompola said:
MKDD is one game, and a great one. But GC was very promising in 2002, more so than Xbox. But in 2003 and 2004 it has declined. It's the awful true :(


I am sorry but promising doesnt cut it. 2002 has happened and 2003 and 2004 so far have been better. More software of course is a big reason for that.
 
Nintendo's problem is that its games suck nowadays. It's a hard fact to swallow since Nintendo was the freaking leader of videogame quality until GameCube, but it's the truth. 80% of Nintendo's GameCube games just aren't fun, and it has few third-party games to back them up. It's like the PS One without the good third-party games.
 
Xellos said:
N64 had problems satisfying consumers true but IMO it was better than GC.

I am sure N64 greatly enhanced Nintendo's reputation. That 30+ million were all satisfied users and PSx sold less than that...

Pretty much everything on GC can be found elsewhere, usually in superior form.

That must explain all the major GC games like MKDD and Metroid on PS2 then ;)
 
There is no doubt that the GC is a disappointment, but I don't think people see the big picture that well. Especially when they resort to comparisons to Sega. When you have to prematurely kill a succesful system because you fucked up the business so much, you did something horribly wrong. Nintendo runs such a tight ship that something like the GC can survive even though it has failed on numerous projections. Combine that with a solid userbase and the strongest first party development of the three competitiors, they still have something that can translated into greater success.

IMO, the only problem Nintendo really needs to concentrate on is reversing the trend of declining marketshare. There's nothing wrong with carving out a niche for oneself, which is why I think it's foolish to think that Nintendo should just bow out of hardware because they aren't stomping out the competition or are not interested in pursuing the same goals. That makes the industry look even more narrow minded and self-absorbed in trying to "up the ante" as opposed to putting out solid products.
 
Deg said:
I am sure N64 greatly enhanced Nintendo's reputation. That 30+ million were all satisfied users and PSx sold less than that...

You know, you just quoted me as saying that N64 had problems satisfying consumers. I'm just saying it did a better job than GC is currently doing.


That must explain games like MKDD and Metroid on PS2 then ;)

I said "pretty much everything" and "usually in superior form" which means that yes IMO GC does have four or five games that are better than their PS2/Xbox counterparts. It's not quite the same gap that Mario 64 and the rest had over their PSX imitators, though. That's like comparing the grand canyon to a crack in the sidewalk.
 
snapty00 said:
Nintendo's problem is that its games suck nowadays. It's a hard fact to swallow since Nintendo was the freaking leader of videogame quality until GameCube, but it's the truth. 80% of Nintendo's GameCube games just aren't fun, and it has few third-party games to back them up. It's like the PS One without the good third-party games.

Pikmin 2, Paper Mario 2, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, WarioWare, and Metroid Prime want to have a word with you...
 
Xellos said:
You know, you just quoted me as saying that N64 had problems satisfying consumers. I'm just saying it did a better job than GC is currently doing.

So the N64 had games? Thats news to me ;) i guess all those constant no games out, we have to wait etc. were just afew minor complaints from afew people...




I said "pretty much everything" and "usually in superior form" which means that yes IMO GC does have four or five games that are better than their PS2/Xbox counterparts. It's not quite the same gap that Mario 64 and the rest had over their PSX imitators, though. That's like comparing the grand canyon to a crack in the sidewalk.

So having fewer better games is a victory now? ;)
 
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