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33-Hit-Combo

Member
ashk said:
I don't know, but I'd guess no. I'm not an expert, what I know about those settings is what I read in the in-game manual and IIRC it says to lower the LSD values if you experience understeer.
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The manual doesn't specify for front/rear diffs, and the effects will not be the same.

If you lock a diff, then the wheels will spin at the same rate regardless of cornering. The whole point of a diff (not locked) is to allow them to rotate separately to allow for the outside wheel to rotate faster and therefore corner better. Think of it like a tank's tracks :)
 
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ashk

Member
33-Hit-Combo said:
The manual doesn't specify for front/rear diffs, and the effects will not be the same.

If you lock a diff, then the wheels will spin at the same rate regardless of cornering. The whole point of a diff (not locked) is to allow them to rotate separately to allow for the outside wheel to rotate faster and therefore corner better. Think of it like a tank's tracks :)
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Again, a disclaimer: I'm not an expert so this is just my understanding how it works.

If you lock the diff (higher values) both of the wheels spin at the same speed, and when you turn into a corner the inside wheel is turning as fast as the outside wheel which pushes the car straight and generates understeer.

So to use your tank tracks analogy, if both tracks are spinning at the same speed, the tank just goes forward (understeer). To turn, the inside track must spin slower (opening the diff - lowering values - oversteer).
 
W

weekend_warrior

Banned
I always keep my diff. settings stock as possible, the only time you'd want to increase the settings is if your going around a corner and the inside tire is burning up. It's definitely not an affective way to combat understeer. To do that you'd want to soften the front of the car via springs or shocks, add front camber, or add rear +toe to increase power oversteer.
 
3

33-Hit-Combo

Member
ashk said:
Again, a disclaimer: I'm not an expert so this is just my understanding how it works.

If you lock the diff (higher values) both of the wheels spin at the same speed, and when you turn into a corner the inside wheel is turning as fast as the outside wheel which pushes the car straight and generates understeer.

So to use your tank tracks analogy, if both tracks are spinning at the same speed, the tank just goes forward (understeer). To turn, the inside track must spin slower (opening the diff - lowering values - oversteer).
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Don't worry I'm just interested in discussing.

Your first paragraph is correct, when applied to front wheel drive vehicles. However if you apply that logic to a rear wheel drive vehicle, it will oversteer. The front wheels are steering while the rear wheels wish to plough on.
 
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ashk

Member
33-Hit-Combo said:
Don't worry I'm just interested in discussing.

Your first paragraph is correct, when applied to front wheel drive vehicles. However if you apply that logic to a rear wheel drive vehicle, it will oversteer. The front wheels are steering while the rear wheels wish to plough on.
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I think a major thing we're missing here is grip level. Your statement is true if the front has a lot more grip than the rear, the rear will then be the first to go and the car will swing around the front and be oversteery. If the rear has more grip the car won't go where the front is pointing and it will understeer.
 
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weekend_warrior

Banned
33-Hit-Combo said:
Don't worry I'm just interested in discussing.

Your first paragraph is correct, when applied to front wheel drive vehicles. However if you apply that logic to a rear wheel drive vehicle, it will oversteer. The front wheels are steering while the rear wheels wish to plough on.
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The only way a high diff setting will cause oversteer is if the car has enough power to literally drift around a corner. When you go around a corner with a high diff setting the wheels will not want to go different speeds, and the car will not want to turn, until the rear tires lose grip and power oversteers.
 
N

Niks

Member
^ added.



Please remember to post

TEAM - DRIVER - CAR

so I can update the list since I don't remember who is on what team :p
 
T

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
Fuji's not that bad, minus the back-to-back S's to the finish line. In SuperGT I couldn't get that section down, but with a wheel you can pretty much "roll" the car through the other corners with little to no issue.
 
T

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
From what Toxa told me, the goal is to stay in Second Gear. I feel going into the S's you want to cut the first turn at the apex to come out the other end wide to prepare to cut the second one. Last corner is a bit tricky, but with practice you can stop going wide I feel.

Just hard on a controller. :/
 
N

Niks

Member
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​
Length: 2.81mi/4526 m Longest Straight: 0.92mi/1475 m Elevation Change: 121.4ft/37,0 m Corners: 14​
Race lap preview video:
COMING SOON!

Race starts in:
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How to join:
Just post in this thread that you want to join the race and what car you'll be using so you can be added to the list. Priority will be given to members with the least races. Add the PS3 account "GT5NRL" to your friends list if you haven't done it yet, and on race day join the private lounge a couple of minutes before the race time.​

Substitute Drivers:
If you are not registered for this race, but would still like to race, you are free to join the server as long as it doesn't fill up, if for some reason a registered player isn't available you might fill in for him. But you MUST follow these guidelines while on the server.​
  • DO NOT enter the track unless asked to do so by the race organizer.
  • You will be given priority to replace someone from your own team.
  • No one guarantees you will actually race.
  • If the person you are replacing arrives during practice or qualifying you MUST leave the track for him to join.
  • If the server is full and a registered players are missing you will be asked to leave the server.

Player conduct while on the server:
  • When the race organizer wants to start the event, please keep chatter to a minimum.
  • Qualifying will start 10 minutes after race time. Use the time to warm up.
  • All members registered on the race must join the track. Substitute players will only join the track when asked to do so by the race organizer.
  • Before qualifying starts we will do a synch check, followed by a 1 lap race. (to reset times)
  • Qualifying will start immediately after the 1 lap race and the full race set to start after 10 minutes.
  • All the players that were in the previous 1 lap race must join the track right after it ends and start posting their times.
  • During qualifying DO NOT quit to the lounge.
  • Please be extra careful during the first corner, and the first lap in general.
  • You must do at least 1 mandatory pit stop during the race.

Players Participating in Round 4 (0/12):
  • Team Redline - UFRA - Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG '08
  • Team Redline -
  • Team Metal Gear Racing - Angst - BMW M3 Coupe '07
  • Team Metal Gear Racing - Gutterboy - Ferrari 512BB
  • Team FR4WD - Broseybrose - Lancer Evo TM '99
  • Team FR4WD -
  • Team FWTC - Kaze13 - Nissan Z34
  • Team FWTC - Mush - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X P.P '07
  • Raven Racing Int. -
  • Raven Racing Int. -
  • Deep Speed - Dibbz - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04
  • Deep Speed - SunhiLegend - Nissan Skyline GTR
 
A

Angst

Member
I need to get comfortable in BMW again. I'll be in the lounge from ~20.00 GMT for an unofficial practice session.

More people need to sign up for the race as well.
 
G

gutterboy44

Member
Got to talk to the misses about our weekend. 5pm is a better time for me on Saturdays. I might be able to swing this one. I miss driving my 512B
 
A

Angst

Member
Official practice session tomorrow 20.00 GMT - 23.00 GMT (that's the time I'll be there, you can keep going as long as you want :p)
 
A

ashk

Member
I'm not 100% sure that I'll be able to make it so I don't want to commit. Also I've been pretty busy this week so I haven't been able to put in any quality practice time and probably won't have a chance to until Friday. I'll try to join as a substitute if I manage to make it on time.


Just in case though, I want to clear something up about the race start time: Since daylight savings kicked in, does that mean that races will effectively start an hour later now? I'm asking because the race start is still listed as 21:00 GMT and there's been some confusion at the start of the last race.
 
Broseybrose

Broseybrose

Member
Put me up for saturday. FR4WD - Lancer Evo TM '99

Angst said:
Official practice session tomorrow 20.00 GMT - 23.00 GMT (that's the time I'll be there, you can keep going as long as you want :p)
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What is this in EST?
 
H

h3ro

Member
Not going to be free this weekend guys, sorry fellow Redliners. (actually, it might be better for the team if I don't race much :p )

Hope we get a big stash of points.
 
B

brentech

Member
I haven't really seen Vissione in GT5 since like round 3. Unfortunately someone went a little bonkers on him....and I get this feeling he isn't coming back.

Maybe he's just on hiatus, I really don't know, but seems we might have lost him. Hope I'm wrong.
 
K

Kaze13

Member
brentech said:
I haven't really seen Vissione in GT5 since like round 3. Unfortunately someone went a little bonkers on him....and I get this feeling he isn't coming back.

Maybe he's just on hiatus, I really don't know, but seems we might have lost him. Hope I'm wrong.
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Vissione is the guy that hosted live streams right? Last I saw of him, he was in the Trial Mountain lobby practicing after he complained about cheaters and guys going just for lap times. He seemed like he was genuinely practicing though.
 
N

Niks

Member
Entry list updated



Players Participating in Round 4:
  • Team Redline - UFRA - Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG '08
  • Team Redline -
  • Team Metal Gear Racing - Angst - BMW M3 Coupe '07
  • Team Metal Gear Racing - Gutterboy - Ferrari 512BB
  • Team FR4WD - Broseybrose - Lancer Evo TM '99
  • Team FR4WD -
  • Team FWTC - Kaze13 - Nissan Z34
  • Team FWTC - Mush - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X P.P '07
  • Raven Racing Int. -
  • Raven Racing Int. -
  • Deep Speed - Dibbz - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04
  • Deep Speed - SunhiLegend - Nissan Skyline GTR
 
A

ashk

Member
Since my question from last night hasn't been answered, I'll rephrase it into a very simple yes/no question:



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Will this Saturday's event be starting when this countdown reaches zero?
 
T

Toxa

Junior Member
ashk said:
Since my question from last night hasn't been answered, I'll rephrase it into a very simple yes/no question:



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Will this Saturday's event be starting when this countdown reaches zero?
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I think when the countdown reaches 0 the lobby is supposed to be open.

if anyone wants to organized a DTM league count me in ;)
 
U

UFRA

Member
ashk said:
Since my question from last night hasn't been answered, I'll rephrase it into a very simple yes/no question:



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Will this Saturday's event be starting when this countdown reaches zero?
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Sorry about that. Some of us were kinda confused as well thanks to this whole GMT-not-on-DST-yet-but-everyone-else-is thing..lol

MM always says that the counter is correct. So if all else fails and the wrong times are showing in the schedule, trust the counter.
 
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ashk

Member
UFRA said:
Sorry about that. Some of us were kinda confused as well thanks to this whole GMT-not-on-DST-yet-but-everyone-else-is thing..lol

MM always says that the counter is correct. So if all else fails and the wrong times are showing in the schedule, trust the counter.
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GMT never goes on DST, it's the same throughout the year. That's why I was asking, most of us have switched an hour ahead and as a result the races should now be an hour later than they were pre-DST since GMT remains the same. For me the races will start at 23:00 instead of the usual 22:00, the clock is counting down to 23:00. And I got the impression here that people assumed that GMT changed as well and that the races will be starting as usual. I just want to completely clear this up so that I don't join the race an hour late.
 
U

UFRA

Member
ashk said:
GMT never goes on DST, it's the same throughout the year. That's why I was asking, most of us have switched an hour ahead and as a result the races should now be an hour later than they were pre-DST since GMT remains the same. For me the races will start at 23:00 instead of the usual 22:00, the clock is counting down to 23:00. And I got the impression here that people assumed that GMT changed as well and that the races will be starting as usual. I just want to completely clear this up so that I don't join the race an hour late.
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Ah, well it looks like the clock WAS wrong this time, but it's corrected now with Angst's post. Damn confusing time zone stuff.
 
A

Angst

Member
damn my router/ISP :( got disconnected on the final straight on lap 4. Good practice session today. There was still a lot of people in the lounge when I left / disconnected.
 
M

Mush

6.0
I'm really psyched for this weekend after that practice. Car felt good and I was on the pace. I'll upload some videos in a tick including the next exciting episode of the ongoing UFRA vs. Mush saga. ;)
 
U

UFRA

Member
Mush said:
I'm really psyched for this weekend after that practice. Car felt good and I was on the pace. I'll upload some videos in a tick including the next exciting episode of the ongoing UFRA vs. Mush saga. ;)
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:D Yeah you and I have been getting into some great races lately.
 
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