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GTA V has gone gold.

ArchedThunder said:
No. No it wasn't.
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Ok?

You didn't think the physics engine or vehicle deformation was at all impressive?
Can you name a better open-world game than GTA IV, at the time it released?
And it was a necessary stepping stone. It was the second game to use the RAGE graphics engine, and the first to use the Euphoria physics engine. Things like a cover system, not extremely common in 2008, made an appearance.
 
Fezzan said:
That would be a terrible metacritic score for a main GTA.



I think that since R* is saying they are different games, they should be reviewed separately.
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They're not really saying they're separate games, but that GTA Online is going to become it's own entity, that it's not going to be tied to GTAV. But, right now, they're the same package -- because you are getting access to GTA Online with GTA V.
 
I'm thinking the opening to GTA V will start with something big, like a parachute jump. In contrast to GTA IV where the start was boring.


This is pure speculation and I've read no spoilers.
 
Acquiescence said:
I wonder how many people said that about GTA IV prior to its release.
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I don´t know and it doesn´t really matter because everything we have seen from GTA V so far absolutely destroys GTA IV. Be it the graphics, the size of the world, the game mechanics, the characters, the location, the stuff you can do in the game outside of the missions and many more.
 
I'm very curious to see if any of the reviews mention the overblown hullabaloo that was the smattering of 10s that GTA IV received. That incident has become a notorious talking point when it comes to the quality of gaming journalism, so I'm hoping at least some reviewers acknowledge it and try to explain why their outlets are more trustworthy with the V review.
 
MetalGuardian said:
I'm very curious to see if any of the reviews mention the overblown hullabaloo that was the smattering of 10s that GTA IV received. That incident has become a notorious talking point when it comes to the quality of gaming journalism, so I'm hoping at least some reviewers acknowledge it and try to explain why their outlets are more trustworthy with the V review.
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I don't get it; at the time GTA IV was the most ambitious open world title by far. It introduced a ton of new things that STILL has people playing it. The story was damn solid to me; maybe not oscar type stuff but it was damn good. I think some need to just accept that it wasn't overblown and people did actually think highly of GTA IV.
 
Marleyman said:
I don't get it; at the time GTA IV was the most ambitious open world title by far. It introduced a ton of new things that STILL has people playing it. The story was damn solid to me; maybe not oscar type stuff but it was damn good. I think some need to just accept that it wasn't overblown and people did actually think highly of GTA IV.
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There are a ton of faults in GTAIV. Even if it is your favorite game of this generation I hope you are not blind to that.
 
MetalGuardian said:
I'm very curious to see if any of the reviews mention the overblown hullabaloo that was the smattering of 10s that GTA IV received. That incident has become a notorious talking point when it comes to the quality of gaming journalism, so I'm hoping at least some reviewers acknowledge it and try to explain why their outlets are more trustworthy with the V review.
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IGN did a video about their top most overrated games and they discussed giving GTA IV a 10
 
MMaRsu said:
There are a ton of faults in GTAIV. Even if it is your favorite game of this generation I hope you are not blind to that.
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Not blind to any faults in any games; never said there weren't any. I just don't think there were any that knock it down to an 8, for instance.
 
I can think of faults that would knock it down to a 5 (if we're using the full 10 point scale). Fortunately GTAV looks better in every single possible way I can think of. I'm pumped!
 
Marleyman said:
I don't get it; at the time GTA IV was the most ambitious open world title by far. It introduced a ton of new things that STILL has people playing it. The story was damn solid to me; maybe not oscar type stuff but it was damn good. I think some need to just accept that it wasn't overblown and people did actually think highly of GTA IV.
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Oh sure. I love GTA IV. It was my first GTA game, as well as my first crime game. I think the hate is as overblown as the hyperbole in some of the reviews. Hindsight combined with better, more recent open world games (hi, Sleeping Dogs!) have undoubtedly played a part, but that doesn't let all of those original reviewers off the hook for selling the falsehood that GTA IV is some untouchable, superlative lesson in flawless game design.

SpookyFries said:
IGN did a video about their top most overrated games and they discussed giving GTA IV a 10
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Interesting, I haven't seen this. Do you happen to have a link?
 
MetalGuardian said:
I'm very curious to see if any of the reviews mention the overblown hullabaloo that was the smattering of 10s that GTA IV received. That incident has become a notorious talking point when it comes to the quality of gaming journalism, so I'm hoping at least some reviewers acknowledge it and try to explain why their outlets are more trustworthy with the V review.
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Waste of time really. A review is one person's opinion, nothing more. People should probably move on, it's been five years.

Like that "Oscar-worthy" quote from IGN that GAF so desperately clings to. The guy who wrote that doesn't even work in the media anymore.
 
Fjordson said:
Waste of time really. A review is one person's opinion, nothing more. People should probably move on, it's been five years.

Like that "Oscar-worthy" quote from IGN that GAF so desperately clings to. The guy who wrote that doesn't even work in the media anymore.
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Even when reading the review for GTA IV the night before launch, I told myself "there is no way this game is this good. Just no way." Then I read the "oscar worthy" line.

I get the hype was built beyond normal expectations (just how this one is also), but the "oscar worthy" quote deserved to be poked and prodded.
 
Frankenstein said:
I don´t know and it doesn´t really matter because everything we have seen from GTA V so far absolutely destroys GTA IV. Be it the graphics, the size of the world, the game mechanics, the characters, the location, the stuff you can do in the game outside of the missions and many more.
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Yeah, again, this just smacks to me of history repeating itself. I remember the pre-release buzz of GTA IV, and it was absurd compared to the final product that came out in the end. There were a multitude of people saying the same thing you're saying now - "Look at the graphics, the range of missions, look at all the social things you can do, look at the cellphone capabilities, look at the Oscar-worthy story, look at how improved the gunplay is, the return to Liberty City!"... and so on and so forth. Fast forward 6 years and it's an easy contender for most overrated game of the generation. It's a game full to the brim with flaws . You look at polls and read threads about the GTA series in general and it's easy to see more fans favour Vice City and San Andreas than they do IV.

Be excited for GTA V by all means, hell I am. But this time I'm not going to be suckered in by rave reviews and "overblown hullabaloo" as MetalGuardian puts it (which is a nice way of putting it). There's still going to be a ton of shit the game does wrong in the end, but that won't stop 90+ "journalists" giving it a perfect score.

Fjordson said:
I did. Was for a while until a few games came out (Fallout: New Vegas and Red Dead Redemption).
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That's what I'm saying. I did too. A lot of people did - the buzz was insane at the time.
 
nemss said:
Even when reading the review for GTA IV the night before launch, I told myself "there is no way this game is this good. Just no way." Then I read the "oscar worthy" line.

I get the hype was built beyond normal expectations (just how this one is also), but the "oscar worthy" quote deserved to be poked and prodded.
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That's fine. My only point is that people should probably stop worrying so much about reviews. I could spend weeks compiling a list of games I think are overrated by the media, but I don't. Because who gives a shit? I've loved plenty of games that did not get stellar reviews, and disliked others that did.
 
Acquiescence said:
Yeah, again, this just smacks to me of history repeating itself. I remember the pre-release buzz of GTA IV, and it was absurd compared to the final product that came out in the end. There were a multitude of people saying the same thing you're saying now - "Look at the graphics, the range of missions, look at all the social things you can do, look at the cellphone capabilities, look at the Oscar-worthy story, look at how improved the gunplay is, the return to Liberty City!"... and so on and so forth. Fast forward 6 years and it's an easy contender for most overrated game of the generation. It's a game full to the brim with flaws . You look at polls and read threads about the GTA series in general and it's easy to see more fans favour Vice City and San Andreas than they do IV.

Be excited for GTA V by all means, hell I am. But this time I'm not going to be suckered in by rave reviews and "overblown hullabaloo" as MetalGuardian puts it (which is a nice way of putting it). There's still going to be a ton of shit the game does wrong in the end, but that won't stop 90+ "journalists" giving it a perfect score.
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The difference between GTA V and IV is that we already have seen how Rockstar improved over the course of this generation. First the DLC which was already much better than the main game and then Red Dead Redemption a few years later.

R is one of the if not the best developer out there and i don´t see any reason to be pessimistic just because they have released a single disappointing game 5 years ago.
 
Fjordson said:
That's fine. My only point is that people should probably stop worrying so much about reviews. I could spend weeks compiling a list of games I think are overrated by the media, but I don't. Because who gives a shit? I've loved plenty of games that did not get stellar reviews, and disliked others that did.
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I think, as a whole, game journalists took a step back after the fallout of GTA IV, and started reviewing games on a little better footing. Granted, some games still get hyped beyond belief, but I do think reviews have improved since the debacle of GTA IV. Just made their "journalistic integrity (not sure what else to call it)", look a little off.

Not to take away GTA IV, its one of my favorite games of all time, and personally, its my favorite GTA, but I agree with what you're saying. Reviews should only be looked upon as one man/woman's opinion, and nothing more.
 
The review process for IV was pretty messed up and I do believe contributed to at least some of the high scores and hyperbolic statements.

In the weeks prior to GTA IV’s release, Rockstar made promises that print and online publications would receive early review code so that they might fully ingest and digest Liberty City in order to deliver mature and balanced opinions on its day of launch.

In reality, this was not the case, with precious few publications getting to spend prolonged time with the game ahead of release. The first review of the game came from the UK’s Official Xbox magazine bearing the worrying caveat “based on unfinished code”.

Eurogamer, wise to the fact promises of AAA title retail code ‘a week before release’ are rarely upheld, arranged to play through the game over a period of days in Rockstar’s offices instead (along with a couple of other UK publications). From speaking to other editors (some of high profile titles) this was not an opportunity offered to all and, when review code failed to turn up the week before release, many were left panicking about how they were going to serve their readers in a timely manner with any integrity.

The reason for the withholding of review code was, according to Rockstar, a result to the game’s leaking onto the internet seven days before its release. Speaking to the company at the time it was claimed that this leak came from an unscrupulous journalist.

As a result, there was a lock down on all review code: everybody would get their copy just one day before the game’s release, and, despite the wonky logic (after all the game had already leaked to those with the capability to play it so why punish the many for the indiscretion of the few) there were to be “no exceptions, no arguments”.

At best then, by the time the game had been played, copy written and subbed ready for the Tuesday morning, most journalists (both in the UK and the US) had played for only a few hours, experiencing just a fraction of the game’s content, a situation testified to by various admissions in professional reviews.
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http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=18761

I don't really care too much about these reviews one way or another, I'm getting this game no matter what, but I think it benefits everyone to give reviewers plenty of time to play through big games like this and formulate their reviews in a thoughtful manner.
 
Acquiescence said:
Yeah, again, this just smacks to me of history repeating itself. I remember the pre-release buzz of GTA IV, and it was absurd compared to the final product that came out in the end. There were a multitude of people saying the same thing you're saying now - "Look at the graphics, the range of missions, look at all the social things you can do, look at the cellphone capabilities, look at the Oscar-worthy story, look at how improved the gunplay is, the return to Liberty City!"... and so on and so forth. Fast forward 6 years and it's an easy contender for most overrated game of the generation.
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Acquiescence said:
It's a game full to the brim with flaws . You look at polls and read threads about the GTA series in general and it's easy to see more fans favour Vice City and San Andreas than they do IV.
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How do you explain myself and many others around here who think it is the best GTA? For me and others those polls mean dick; that is what some just don't get.
 
I wonder how far in advance review sites will get GTA V?

Never heard the story listed above regarding IV and the leaks. Rockstar is probably a little leery, especially with the leaks done on the preload in the UK.
 
Marleyman said:
A 5..really? I am listening :)
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I did not like Niko as a character; I did not like the story; there were a few good characters (Little Jacob, Brucie) but many more uninteresting or unlikeable ones; lack of mid-mission checkpoints was unforgiveable; too many missions devolved into shooting hordes of dudes (a complaint I have with many games); chase sequences were overly scripted so you couldn't actually catch people until the game let you; Liberty City was uninteresting and not much fun to explore; bottom line is I did not enjoy playing the game after the first few hours and that's a major problem for me. That said I can see why people might have liked it, that's all subjective after all. And I don't need every game to be Saints Row crazy either, there's a happier middle ground somewhere.
 
Marleyman said:
How do you explain myself and many others around here who think it is the best GTA? For me and others those polls mean dick; that is what some just don't get.
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You guys are generally in the minority, around here and around the wider internet. I still think GTAIV was a good game, but I do think it's up there for most over-rated. Not *the* most over-rated game, but in my top 5 for over-rated games of this generation.

I've been replaying it over the last couple of months waiting for V to come out... and I thought that it would help me appreciate it more, but I've just come to think less and less of it since replacing it.

Bare in mind, I'm just replaying it on 360. I don't have a PC capable of playing it. I think on PC the experience could be improved and I'd have a higher opinion. Although, the mission variety would still be lacking.
 
I'm curious for those that feel that GTA IV was a bad game and they believe it is widely disliked, why is it always one of the most played XBL games?
 
MMaRsu said:
There are a ton of faults in GTAIV. Even if it is your favorite game of this generation I hope you are not blind to that.
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It wouldn't be a GTA thread if there wasn't a shit fight about GTA IV. I'm always game.

A lot of the things that some say are "huge faults," I personally don't give a damn about. I acknowledge that GTA IV lacks mission variety. I acknowledge that a lot of the missions are overly scripted, especially the car chase missions where the enemy car apparently has a force field around it and gets unlimited magical speed boosts every time you come withing 20 feet of their rear bumper. I acknowledge that the driving controls and physics were touchy and came with a steep learning curve.

But none of that bothers me, because in the final analysis, I got a LOT of pleasure from learning how to drive in GTA IV, and mastering long drawn out car chases that never would have happened if I'd just blown up their car 5 seconds after starting the chase. I enjoyed going from regularly failing chase missions in the beginning, to being able to stick to them like glue for the duration.

It doesn't bother me that GTA IV is lacking missions variety, because I enjoyed the missions as they were. It didn't bother me that lots of San Andreas' bells & whistles didn't carry over to GTA IV, because a lot of those bells & whistles were wasted on me anyway.
 
GTA IV was by no means a bad game but the amount 10s it got made it the most overrated game of all time, it just didn't deserve all those perfect scores.

Seeing it still sitting on #1 at metacritic is a joke. I'd be very surprised even if GTAV is better that it can kick IV from the throne.
 
Horns said:
I'm curious for those that feel that GTA IV was a bad game and they believe it is widely disliked, why is it always one of the most played XBL games?
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I think it's because people forget that it sold 25 million. More really when you consider all of the Steam sales over the past few years. There's not a single poll or forum out there that represents a majority of the GTA audience.

Honestly, a number of people I know who buy GTA wouldn't even know what NeoGAF or IGN is. I think it attracts a lot of, for lack of a better term, casual gamers. People who buy 1-2 games a year at most. Like Call of Duty or Madden.
 
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