Guardian source: "“They now have specific concrete... evidence of collusion"

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Even if the was collusion I have little faith that anything will actually be done about it. Trump will continue to be president and repubs will continue destroying the country.
 
Autoignition said:
At the rate things are going, we might all be dead from nuclear winter before the FBI actually acts on this anyway, so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hyperbole aside, I'm starting to get a really bad, sinking feeling about this. Trump really, really strikes me as the kind of petty coward who would start a civil war if the FBI ever came for him, regardless of the kind of evidence they had.
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That would be one lopsided civil war, with his approval rating at what, 30%? The man lies so much, even 100% partisan hacks are sick of it and question his credibility.

And I doubt Trump has the time or freedom needed to pull anything big when it officially hits the fan. When the hammer falls, it's going to land hard. I'm just curious how many of the inept get caught up with Team Trump in the ensuing mess.
 
KernelPanic said:
Not sure how legit this guy is.

https://twitter.com/truefactsstated/status/852609433502920706

Jester saying it too:

https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/852629451447914498
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If true, it sounds like Comey's out to nail every one of these traitors' asses to the wall.

I wonder if they'll all actually get convicted of treason. Would we really execute all of these high-profile guys in this day and age?

Would we execute our president?

Jesus.

gurudyne said:
That would be one lopsided civil war, with his approval rating at what, 30%? The man lies so much, even 100% partisan hacks are sick of it and question his credibility.

And I doubt Trump has the time or freedom needed to pull anything big when it officially hits the fan. When the hammer falls, it's going to land hard. I'm just curious how many of the inept get caught up with Team Trump in the ensuing mess.
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30% approval among the citizenry means nothing when he as the entire force of the US military behind him, most of whom do still support him.
 
Here is a question. If Trump and friends are 100% guilty of colllusion with proof could the Republicans still just ignore it and carry on? Do the FBI need permission to walk in and arrest them?
 
Autoignition said:
If true, it sounds like Comey's out to nail every one of these traitors' asses to the wall.

I wonder if they'll all actually get convicted of treason. Would we really execute all of these high-visibility guys in this day and age?
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I think a nice round executions fr "the higher ups" would send an extremely positive message. Probably applauded by the general public at large I'd say.
 
Autoignition said:
Hyperbole aside, I'm starting to get a really bad, sinking feeling about this. Trump really, really strikes me as the kind of petty coward who would start a civil war if the FBI ever came for him, regardless of the kind of evidence they had.
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You'd need more than a few Generals to collude with this, there won't be a Civil War over Trump
 
Herr Schwarz said:
I think a nice round executions fr "the higher ups" would send an extremely positive message. Probably applauded by the general public at large I'd say.
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Seems barbaric. I'd rather watch them slowly waste away in prison. Most of them are in the last two or so decades of their lives anyway just due to their age, so it's not like it's going to be all that long of a sentence.
 
Autoignition said:
If true, it sounds like Comey's out to nail every one of these traitors' asses to the wall.

I wonder if they'll all actually get convicted of treason. Would we really execute all of these high-visibility guys in this day and age?
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Would be one strong message to not do it again that's for sure. Wouldn't like execution but jail for life in a proper jail, yes please. The worst thing they could do is just remove them from government and let them walk.
 
jelly said:
Here is a question. If Trump and friends are 100% guilty of colllusion with proof could the Republicans still just ignore it and carry on? Do the FBI need permission to walk in and arrest them?
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I think Republicans would have to flip. Many of them are probably already itching to get him out because of all the Syria/NK shenanigans. They just want to be sure that his base won't turn on them. If the FBI has solid evidence, they are going to turn on him.
 
I still say we should hold off on getting excited about Trump going down from this. They could put Manafort, Page, Flynn, Stone, and whoever else in jail and that still might not really do anything meaningful to Trump.

Trumps ties to those people make Trump very suspect by association, but other than that, the only thing we really know publically tieing Trump to the whole thing is the pee tape dossier, which I would argue is not enough to get excited about.
 
I'll believe it when I see it.
Bam Bam Baklava said:
What if Trump's 180 flip flop on everything he campaigned on is really just him being blackmailed to do so by the powers that be with this evidence.
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I doubt it. While it shouldn't be ruled out completely, there are more plausible explanations than blackmail.
jrh2 said:
every single day since the election there has been enough evidence to convict this guy and his whole administration of crimes, and yet here we are with our planet and economy getting fucked over more and more every single day
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No there hasn't. It's been speculation of evidence, and people conflating crimes with "stuff they don't like". If there were such overwhelming evidence, coupled with his extreme disapproval, what could possibly be still keeping him in office?
 
thepotatoman said:
I still say we should hold off on getting excited about Trump going down from this. They could put Manafort, Page, Flynn, Stone, and whoever else in jail and that still might not really do anything meaningful to Trump.

Trumps ties to those people make Trump very suspect by association, but other than that, the only thing we really know publically tieing Trump to the whole thing is the pee tape dossier, which I would argue is not enough to get excited about.
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If those people were able to corroborate situations were Trump was in on it, that would sink him. Now, is Trump that wise to be off hands so he doesn't know the details, we will just have to wait and see.
 
Seventy70 said:
I think Republicans would have to flip. Many of them are probably already itching to get him out because of all the foreign shenanigans. They just want to be sure that his base won't turn on them. If the FBI has solid evidence, they are going to turn.
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It's going to be a sight to be hold. Once Republicans see the inevitable, they are going to turn on this administration so fast and try and act like they were always against Trump and all that he did. They will somehow try and make Democrats look bad like usual, but I'm not seeing the angle. Never doubt Mitch's ability to find one though.
 
Rentahamster said:
I'll believe it when I see it.

I doubt it. While it shouldn't be ruled out completely, there are more plausible explanations than blackmail.

No there hasn't. It's been speculation of evidence, and people conflating crimes with "stuff they don't like". If there were such overwhelming evidence, coupled with his extreme disapproval, what could possibly be still keeping him in office?
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Republicans. Impeachment doesn't require a criminal offense. His business ties alone should be enough to remove him from office.
 
Darkgran said:
Yeah. Nothing is going to happen. We are stuck with Trump for 4 years...
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Honestly? So be it then. The next 3+ years will be rough but if we can get a Democrat in there, they will undo a lot of what Trump has done before it even has time to start having an effect on Americans.
 
Nafai1123 said:
Republicans. Impeachment doesn't require a criminal offense. His business ties alone should be enough to remove him from office.
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A majority of Republicans can only protect him for so long if the evidence is so overwhelming, as some think it is. The people wouldn't stand for it. Unless you think they're getting duped too.
 
Betty said:
Hopefully "people on the Trump campaign" includes Trump or he'll weasel out of this by feigning ignorance.
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I take great comfort in how petty and vindictive fuckers like Giuliani and Flynn actually are. They'll sell out Trump in a heartbeat just out of spite, just because they can. Even if Trump is actually innocent, they'll all try to sell him down the river.
 
hendersonhank said:
...but at the same time, Trump is practically starting wars on a daily basis. If they have good reason to believe there is truth to this story, I think it needs to be publicly voiced so impeachment proceedings can begin. It seems crazy to let a Russian puppet continue to make decisions with huge consequences for the world, daily, just for the sake of making a tighter criminal case.
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Trump NEEDS to start these wars and as quickly as possible. It's the only thing he can do to distract attention away from these investigations before they uncover enough evidence to start impeachment proceedings. And that is only a matter of time now.
 
Autoignition said:
Seems barbaric. I'd rather watch them slowly waste away in prison. Most of them are in the last two or so decades of their lives anyway just due to their age, so it's not like it's going to be all that long of a sentence.
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What, playing tennis in some liberal loving no security prison? Nah come on son, you know they wouldn't want that for themselves if they were on the other end of the rhetoric.

If it's actual treason and that's an executable offence, I say line those heads up on the guillotine.
 
But you don't understand! He flipped on a couple of economic and foreign policy issues, so now he's doing exactly what Clinton would do. Truly a moderate, not a sign of laziness or cowardice at all!
 
Intelligence agencies and insider "sources" need to stop cock teasing the world. Either drop some knowledge or STFU.

How am I going to go to Easter dinner with my Trump supporting in-laws with this shit?
 
Autoignition said:
wat.
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By that I mean they're not going to get sent to some kind of Miami supermax to do hard time, have to fight for who gets top bunk, then having to go rounds with everyone in their shared cell to see if they've got heart.

Or like something from the show Oz.

If it would be like any of the above then, sure, send them to prison. Otherwise bring on the guillotine!
 
Capital level offenses don't necessarily equate to a capital sentence.

More likely is a plea deal.

For trump it will be here's all the dirt, congress impeaches and convicts, Pence or ryan pardons him so we can all "move on."
 
jelly said:
Here is a question. If Trump and friends are 100% guilty of colllusion with proof could the Republicans still just ignore it and carry on? Do the FBI need permission to walk in and arrest them?
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They could... but 2018 and 2020 would likely be an electoral disaster.
 
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/852931622076907520
@BraddJaffy
Trump reverses Obama's policy of voluntarily disclosing who is visiting the WH — citing “grave national security risks and privacy concerns”
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Not really doing much to dispel these notions anyway.
Also because there's always a Trump tweet for the situation:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/210423753388208128
@realDonaldTrump
Why is @BarackObama spending millions to try and hide his records? He is the least transparent President--ever--and he ran on transparency.
10:31 AM - 6 Jun 2012
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Sulik2 said:
The key is they need to get Trump and not just his campaign.
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Even if they don't, he'll still be questioned for the rest of his term about it. He'll also lose all legitimacy. What I continue to find odd is how, while campaigning, he openly asked Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's emails and that hasn't been used against him yet.
 
I can't keep taking these teases like this is a movie or video game. War's brewing; we need actual results.
 
jelly said:
Here is a question. If Trump and friends are 100% guilty of colllusion with proof could the Republicans still just ignore it and carry on? Do the FBI need permission to walk in and arrest them?
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They would need jeff sessions to sign off on it, and it can only be done after impeachment.

I believe Only the sergeant at arms of the house of reps has the authority to arrest the president. (Might be the senate)
 
I can't wait to see Mitch McConnell chuckle condescendingly some more once all of this comes to a head and he's asked if he's going to do anything about it.
 
Sulik2 said:
The key is they need to get Trump and not just his campaign.
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I think that's what's taking so long. They probably have a lot of the principals dead to rights but they haven't landed the big fish yet. Ivanka and Jared and Eric and Jr. are all probably in their sights too. If Trump knew, it's unreasonable to think that his inner circle didn't know.
 
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