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Guild Wars 2 Launch Date announced: August 28th, 2012
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finally something I can agree with
Teknopathetic
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"Frankly, after hearing the people in here stating that Mesmers are underpowered, I've reached a point where I am simply going to ignore all further overpowered/underpowered discussion. Because most of it is pretty ridiculous."
It's a relative phrase. Mesmers are actually fairly decent 1v1, but their core class mechanic is legitimately broken (in a "doesn't actually work" way), when it does work does subpar damage/conditions and most of their weapons have pretty underwhelming skills besides sword/pistol and staff. Factually weak.
It's a relative phrase. Mesmers are actually fairly decent 1v1, but their core class mechanic is legitimately broken (in a "doesn't actually work" way), when it does work does subpar damage/conditions and most of their weapons have pretty underwhelming skills besides sword/pistol and staff. Factually weak.
Yep, I did this last night.
Mesmer is mostly mechanics problems. Beyond shatter issues, mantras need to be changed as well, and the target dropping of clone creation is sort of a perilous thing to balance. If you allow target calling to totally negate it, then the deception factor is worthless. If you drop target calling on clone creation then that could become a new problem.
I didn't hear about it until a couple days ago.
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I used it because the code's about to expire.
I usually like to keep from using the word "broken" for an unreleased title. I would think "needs tweaking" would be more like it since, technically, it hasn't been released yet and "broken" implies it was working at some point to begin with.
I only say this because "broken" implies unplayable which the Mesmer is certainly not - tweaking it does need, however.
Hmm, well, this sucks. Apparently some of the alliances are not going to announce their server until after launch in order to ensure everyone gets in. I sure hope all of those alliances all choose low pop new servers (there has to be at least a few new ones for launch) since it would absolutely suck if we picked a server and then discover that some gigantic alliance is on there as well.
I honestly can't understand why any non-alliance member would want to play on a server like that. Apparently a lot do if they feel like they need to not disclose where they are going...
I honestly can't understand why any non-alliance member would want to play on a server like that. Apparently a lot do if they feel like they need to not disclose where they are going...
And clones overwriting phantasms is a huge DPS drop.
And phtantasms shattering for the same effect as clones, despite being longer CDs and greater sacrifices.
They got a month to fix these things. I would be surprised if they just tweaked numbers.
How does that philosophy make sense to them? If some alliance and another large community unknowingly pick the same server, then they both screwed each other over. It makes more sense to communicate beforehand so space can be accounted for.
Teknopathetic
Member
"I usually like to keep from using the word "broken" for an unreleased title. I would think "needs tweaking" would be more like it since, technically, it hasn't been released yet and "broken" implies it was working at some point to begin with.
I only say this because "broken" implies unplayable which the Mesmer is certainly not - tweaking it does need, however"
The class mechanic does not work well (if at all) a majority of the time. There is no other word for it. Whether they fix it in time for launch or not is irrelevant to discussion now, there's no point in sugar coating it.
I only say this because "broken" implies unplayable which the Mesmer is certainly not - tweaking it does need, however"
The class mechanic does not work well (if at all) a majority of the time. There is no other word for it. Whether they fix it in time for launch or not is irrelevant to discussion now, there's no point in sugar coating it.
my only conclusion is that the alliance heads are discussing where they are going with each other privately and will pick a freshly made server. I mean, why wouldnt they pick a freshly made server? They'd have a greater chance of getting all of their people in to WvW that way
Pretty sure, yeah. At the very least they're considered to be using dark arts, so I'm guessing most of the world sees them as evil.
I don't believe that. Even if you prioritize attunements, the others will be situationally useful or good for utility.
You constantly do attunement swapping as an ele. So I'm not sure what you mean...
It's not personal taste. It is efficiency. I can't think of one build that would benefit from zoning in on select elements. The four elemental lines all have a balance of utility, counters, and damage. It's the strength of the ele. Even if you go glass cannon fire, you will get rocked on the defensive / CD. You might think you are being efficient but that's probably just luck. Luck that your opponents are bad or that you found a broken build.
Post-balancing, the only good eles will effectively use all four elements.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Either way, at the very least, I hope the dialogue with NPCs (as a necro) will reflect this. If they are evil, I still may main it. Maybe.
You might consider playing as Asura Necromancer. I'm sure their take on Necromancy is much different than the other races and they probably view it as just another school of magic to be studied.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
That's actually the race I would play as regardless of which class I chose so thanks for that particular insight!
Also, I think Sylvari view it as a "life and death" cycle when they practice it. That's the one thing I do know.
Found this video in reddit, sorry if it was already posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGeU7xAqfUQ
Will be interesting to see how will ArenaNet implement an spectator mode, The guys in the video (GuildSource) do a nice job trying to shoutcast with the resources available. The other content is pretty nice too.
#eSports
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGeU7xAqfUQ
Will be interesting to see how will ArenaNet implement an spectator mode, The guys in the video (GuildSource) do a nice job trying to shoutcast with the resources available. The other content is pretty nice too.
#eSports
As I said, I'm not going to argue about it any further. My personal experiences with the class revealed no such weakness in it, so if they get a straight buff? That's awesome. Bring it. If ANET, however, buffs up Shatter and nerfs other abilities for the sake of balancing out the class though... That would be shit. Because right now it has a huge amount of utility and versatility. If all you're using the clones for is Shatter, then you're not playing them right.
And calling the Greatsword underwhelming is insane.
well, yes. One of the greatest strengths of the Elementalist is that you can switch your attunement when your abilities are on cooldown. You'll want to utilize every attunement to get the most out of your profession, some just might have a stronger/more useful skill selection than others.
the water attunement in particular seems to not be very desirable at the moment though, unless you play support/stack healing power.
I was listening to a podcast today on B&C that was with some high level sPVP guild called Super Squad, and all three of them being interviewed picked the Mesmer as the least powerful class in the game right now. All of them had similar qualms as well; that it was a relatively good 1v1 class but did not bring to team fights the kind of power the other classes do.
Along the same topic, they also all mentioned Ranger as being on the other end of the spectrum due to some kind of "spirit" builds that were apparently pretty ridiculous.
haha, this one is just too adorable
Could you link me to the podcast?
agreed, male and female Asura have pretty much the same hairstyles (same models too, which is why armor looks identical on both I guess). Same thing with the Sylvari.
Weltall Zero
Member
That is simply not true, as is saying that the only good mages in WoW are those using all spells. If your build has half of its traits in the fire line, you will simply be more effective when attuned to fire; more so with traits that become more powerful the longer you're attuned to that particular element (there's one for each element). Obviously you may (or may not) be forced to change to other elements when circumstances force you to, but you'll perform suboptimally, if for no other reason than the obvious one that half or more of your traits are doing exactly nothing.
You can make a build focusing on one or two elements, focusing on three, or changing between all four; that's precisely the beauty of the trait system. What you are saying, that there is only one way to play the elementalist, runs counter to everything you've always said about freedom and choice.
Water is great for conditions, snares, and getting your regen to kick up faster. I can't decide on the "weakest" element overall. Only situationally could I say that certain elements are not useful. Even the idea that you can chain snares between earth/water make them extremely good to fight CD issues. And that's just a basic example not including sequencing conditions and damage.
This isn't WoW. And elements feed off each other towards efficiency. You'll have to show an example if you believe that you builds are more effective with few elements. And I'm pretty sure your example will be situational.
But you're not taking cooldowns into account. If your CDs are all used on your 2 major lines, there's no reason NOT to switch. Ele practically gets 4 weapon swapping which is a huge, and to not take advantage that is silly even if you didn't trait into some of them. Also I'm pretty sure Anet is balancing them around the fact that they do have 4 different sets of skills, and expect you to actively use them all to play the class at it's best.
Thank you muchly.
What are your results?
I don't have them up now, let me see if I can find where it saved to.
But none of the hops were higher than like 45ms, and both routes hit the network wall before 10 hops.
Mine hit the wall before even leaving my network I think, 0-1 hops. Though I ran tracert myself and got a 171 ping to what I assume is somewhere in or near Germany from California.
http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/325740823
This video starting at 20:00 shows a really REALLY cool Thief build with a guy who knows exactly what he is doing. Seriously, watch him play the tournament match, he plays 3v5 and then 2v5 and manages to never die and get tons of kills/contests. It's AWESOME.
This video starting at 20:00 shows a really REALLY cool Thief build with a guy who knows exactly what he is doing. Seriously, watch him play the tournament match, he plays 3v5 and then 2v5 and manages to never die and get tons of kills/contests. It's AWESOME.
Yeah, when I run my own traceroute to the servers they specify in the diagnostic output, I get the full trace. Looks like around 90ms to the TX datacenter, which is alright since I'm out on the edge of the West Coast.
Twilight Princess
Member
no way to beta now? 
its a full month away!
its a full month away!no way to beta now?
I keep reading this thread hoping for a surprise beta.
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of course he is good he works for anet lol
LumpOfCole
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I think the Mesmer is definitely going to be an investment class - might not work the way it should at first, but once I level one up and once the eventual fixes get applied, I'll have experience and a lot of levels with a truly wonderful class.
Even with its problems, I had a blast with my Asura Mesmer in BWE3. I put all my points and gear into +Power and got myself a Greatsword, and I felt quite powerful.