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Flockaveli changed everything.
Is that really the case tho?
Trap sounds have just been absorbed into other styles of beat making to where its the dominant sound.
See: DJ Mustard. Jahlil Beats, DJ Dahi. A bunch of that shit Drake raps over.
The most recent template trap shit to blow up that I can think of would probably be Coco.
sheepishlord
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that feel when
This is your music? Mate this is fucking great stuff. Can i download it anywhere?
CountBlack
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Young Thug getting booed in Louisiana and Lil Wayne's tour bus getting shot at
birdman trynna clap his own son
birdman trynna clap his own son
No just a mix. I'll add the track list in a moment.
sheepishlord
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Oh ok, cheers. I'm going through another listen of it now, this is a dope mix mang.
EDIT: Track list is up, appreciate it
Rastafarian42
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LOL
CountBlack
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#Dualities
PhoenixDark
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Nah, not seeing an L here brehs...
You can't look at everything like first week sales of an album - ie if it doesn't sell x in a week it's a flop. Tidal has the money and backing to last quite awhile. Granted I definitely want to see how many of their 700k subs actually paid but let them breath. Isn't this the exact same argument republicans were using about Obamacare's signup numbers at the beginning? Now they don't have shit to say. Point being it's going to take quite awhile before we can determine whether this is a failure or not.
The streaming market is big enough for multiple players, and this isn't a game where only the top guy wins. I'm on the record as saying I think Tidal will be in a distant third, behind Spotify and whatever iTunes does with Beats. But even that won't be an L, just look at how the market is growing and will continue to grow...
You can't look at everything like first week sales of an album - ie if it doesn't sell x in a week it's a flop. Tidal has the money and backing to last quite awhile. Granted I definitely want to see how many of their 700k subs actually paid but let them breath. Isn't this the exact same argument republicans were using about Obamacare's signup numbers at the beginning? Now they don't have shit to say. Point being it's going to take quite awhile before we can determine whether this is a failure or not.
The streaming market is big enough for multiple players, and this isn't a game where only the top guy wins. I'm on the record as saying I think Tidal will be in a distant third, behind Spotify and whatever iTunes does with Beats. But even that won't be an L, just look at how the market is growing and will continue to grow...
That's not the L. There's room for others to eat. I mean mapquest still exists today.
The L is public reception to a product marketed for the sole purpose of benefiting the artist more than the consumer getting so (understandably) bad that Jay has to come and defend the shit and in the process not really solving any of the problems from the relaunch, all while firing subliminals. Pretty much the equivalent of you tripping while on a date.
going to bat for your product and contextualizing it is an L? what's he supposed to say? lol you guys are right, my service is shit?
A captain shall sink with his ship tbh and shut the fuck up about it lol
WanderingWind
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I mean, let's be real, Jay could lose 5 Tidals and still not really be holding any real life L's. Dude should just retire to an island and built a water park out of beer, staffed entirely by Norwegian women.
Nas could be the towel boy.
Nas could be the towel boy.
IrishNinja
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i mean even if jigga wasnt crazy rich...i can't call anything here an L. he's doing some ambitious shit and taking his #newrules hustle game to the next logical conclusion as a musician who's already been CEO & shit. using social media for a bit of PR too...like, we out here with Dame Dash crunchyroll and Azella no-Banks puttin on L clinics, this shit's not even in the running people
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
lol @ No-Banks. Good lord, I never made that connect
PhoenixDark
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There's no question that the marketing launch was a disaster, I just don't think that was a death blow. To me, the ultimate L is something you don't fully come back from. Dame Dash will never not be a loser, for instance. He's finished. Azalea Banks will never be popular, she's done. Carly Fiorina will always be a failure. Those people will never recover, breh. Whereas I see no evidence that Tidal won't ultimately find a place in an expanding/booming market. Long term it should be fine, and the marketing failure won't matter. Real talk: this was never going to beat Spotify anyway since it doesn't have a free option. But it doesn't have to beat Spotify or iTunes to do well.
Rastafarian42
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wow I just noticed the pic lmaoo
Jay's biggest mistake with tidal was making himself the lead visible figure on it. No matter the pricing tier/service, people were going to come at him sideways. Should have gotten Thom Yorke or some other white guy that people are actually ok with making money to do the talking.
Net_Wrecker
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So much on my mind that I can't recline/
Blastin' holes in the night til she bled sunshine/
Breathe in- inhale vapors from bright stars that shine/
Breathe out- weed smoke retrace the skyline/
Heard the bass ride out like an ancient mating call/
I can't take it y'all, I can feel the city breathing/
Chest heaving, against the flesh of the evening/
Sigh before we die like the last train leaving/
Heard this beat on the halftime show of Cavs/Celtics just now. Immediately played it like 5 times.
Happy Sunday.
Blastin' holes in the night til she bled sunshine/
Breathe in- inhale vapors from bright stars that shine/
Breathe out- weed smoke retrace the skyline/
Heard the bass ride out like an ancient mating call/
I can't take it y'all, I can feel the city breathing/
Chest heaving, against the flesh of the evening/
Sigh before we die like the last train leaving/
Heard this beat on the halftime show of Cavs/Celtics just now. Immediately played it like 5 times.
Happy Sunday.
You guys are bending the definition of taking a L; now you need to get to a state that you can't recover from to fit the L definition?
I think you are thinking too much in terms of 'L of the year' instead of regular Ls, and that stream-of-consciousness Twitter feed is a L; not a L that will affect his life in any way but a L nonetheless. He still can't explain why any music fan should care for Tidal besides supporting certain artists, it's just hilarious to watch.
I think you are thinking too much in terms of 'L of the year' instead of regular Ls, and that stream-of-consciousness Twitter feed is a L; not a L that will affect his life in any way but a L nonetheless. He still can't explain why any music fan should care for Tidal besides supporting certain artists, it's just hilarious to watch.
MuddyDonut
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#Positivity2k15 guise
PhoenixDark
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Nah. The problem was getting 15 of the biggest, richest people in music to get on stage and ask for more money. If Jay got up there with a mixture of indie artists, new artists, established artists, etc there wouldn't be nearly as much backlash. The other problem was framing the entire thing as some revolution that would change the world forever. That out of touch arrogance and hubris turned it into a laughing stock that's still going on in social media, and allowed potshots from idiots ("how come Jay isn't talking about #BlackLivesMatter").
I can imagine Tidal's people looking at Beats' marketing and saying "let's do that, but bigger." IE get a bunch of celebrities in a room to pimp the product. But Beats didn't come out the gate with celeb ads. The initial push was about you the consumer looking cool with these hip headphones designed by Dre. "He creates music for Eminem with these on? Cool!" And then Kaepernick, LeBron, etc started doing ads.
You have to demonstrate why people should want your product IMO, and Jay didn't do that.
Yeah, exactly. It was so easy to dismiss the "artist first" mantra of Tidal when the artists on stage were so big, and so rich. Announcing your product that way was always going to be not ideal, but it was a disaster because of that specific focus.
Thats because there isnt really a reason why youd want Tidal instead of Spotify unless all the big artists/labels pull their shit from Spotify and stick it on Tidal.
Folks dont give a fuck about how much money an artist makes from one service over another. Or lossless audio.
They just want to be able to hear the shit.
Folks dont give a fuck about how much money an artist makes from one service over another. Or lossless audio.
They just want to be able to hear the shit.
jakefromstatefarm
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all time favorite reprise in a rap song, top 3 track all time. Beat is so soulful, the elegiac opening line in Spanish, Mos and Common at their best, even Kweli gets a few nice bars in
before reverting back to full cornball
PhoenixDark
Banned
And the funny thing is that Jay was the only person on stage with the power to pull his music from other streaming/music products. But he hasn't done so because there really isn't a financial incentive. In short this goes back to the problem with the entire argument behind Tidal. Whether it's 70 or 75% royalties, labels are going to eat that up, not artists. A true music revolution would be to cut labels out of the process, sign distribution deals, and cake. But artists prefer the comfort of a major label, be it marketing/promotion or hotel bookings.
If I was an artist I'd be looking at Chance The Rapper and gunning for that type of set up. Buy a publicist, good management, and cake off tours while releasing projects (free or not).
IrishNinja
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jesus christ, in no era is publicly airing your dirty laundry a good look
PhoenixDark
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attempt to publicly humiliate and attack the mother of your children brehs
Storm Chamber
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It's only fitting that you Chatty Pattys would do this on a Sunday of all days. Might as well have a little get together in your amen corner because you wouldn't last a second on one in Harlem.
It was all good just a week ago.
Tokubetsu
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It's only fitting that you Chatty Pattys would do this on a Sunday of all days. Might as well have a little get together in your amen corner because you wouldn't last a second on one in Harlem.
https://youtu.be/HxqHoKCYtzc
PhoenixDark
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I'm surprised Dame hasn't said anything about Tidal. Seems like such a perfect opportunity to wax some bullshit.
"You know, I remember being in a meeting and talking to Steve Jobs about online distribution. We were going to put all of Jay's albums online, through a service we were gonna call RocEar. We had the dough, we were putting our asses on the line pause. I didn't know who Steve was. I asked him to get me some coffee, nahmean? Anyway a few months later I hear about something called iTunes. I do some research and find out Steve Jobs took our idea. This is what I'm talking about with respect to Culture Vultures. What type of man take's another man's idea?"
"You know, I remember being in a meeting and talking to Steve Jobs about online distribution. We were going to put all of Jay's albums online, through a service we were gonna call RocEar. We had the dough, we were putting our asses on the line pause. I didn't know who Steve was. I asked him to get me some coffee, nahmean? Anyway a few months later I hear about something called iTunes. I do some research and find out Steve Jobs took our idea. This is what I'm talking about with respect to Culture Vultures. What type of man take's another man's idea?"
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