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This makes NWTS era Drake even more laughable. I specifically remember him saying it would be him at his best, rap wise, and how he was studying Nas. Whoops.
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This makes NWTS era Drake even more laughable. I specifically remember him saying it would be him at his best, rap wise, and how he was studying Nas. Whoops.
Damn Peter that's foul lol.
lmfao. Harsh, but true.
yo damn
Ye is a producer though, that makes it different. Ye out here telling 5 different people 6 different rappers he thinks are the best right now. Ye has also been relatively open book about this for a long time, saying he'd rather help cultivate something or help artists reach plateaus.
Drake giving dudes a cheesesteak and some liner note space and rerecording over others for his biggest hits over the past 2 years.The Slaughterhouse guys said it, dude is just no longer in certain hip-hop conversations because of this debacle. Which wouldn't be a problem if dude hasn't been gunning for those exact accolades. And we all know how bad he wanted to, too.
Net_Wrecker
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GOAT Hip-Hop artists
1. Dr. Dre
2. Kanye West
3. Puff Diddy
4. Drake
5. Eazy E
1. Dr. Dre
2. Kanye West
3. Puff Diddy
4. Drake
5. Eazy E
He frequently appears next to Cole and Kendrick on people's favourite modern rapper and lyricist lists, propped up by his quotable game, variety and longevity (as opposed to say, technical ability or tackling broader social isses that you'd side with Kendrick over).
PhoenixDark
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Honestly I expected Kanye fans to have the knives out for Drake, simply because he has virtually made Kanye irrelevant and might knock Swish into 2016. A Drake fall from grace can only help Kanye - at least, in the minds of Kanye stans.
He's on a list of rappers with quotable songs with good beats, he's an entertaining artist but that's about it. J. Cole should be vouched for (in a less relevant category) Kendrick without hesitation but I never really though anyone took drake seriously in the grand scheme of best rappers. His only accolades are his sales and popularity. That's why I don't really care about this situation. I'm surprised most of you are.
How out of touch can you be? Especially with the two fanbases that probably overlap more than any other two you can name? That also want to do a duet album with each other? With an artist that Kanye also had a big part in helping come up and has given the highest praise?
Kanye is not gonna reach as many people again because, like he said, the generation can't relate to him like they can Drake or whoever comes next. He's into executive production, mentoring and experimental production; that throws out most casual rap fans off the jump.
Storm Chamber
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Can't eat so much
I got a feeling something's gonna go down this weekend
Loosen up your belt breh
Do you have a review of the album?
Daym. Wow. He did it.
Damn, I didn't know this. Impressive.
Haven't there been rumors about Nas having ghostwriters, too?
Ye generally isn't really considered to be a GOAT rapper like Jay, Nas, etc. anyway, is he? He was at his best around Late Registration and the Freshmen tapes and at that time he was one of the dopest rappers flow-wise, imo. The way he stretched and twisted words was fresh as hell. Now most of it was probably ghostwritten by Cons and Rhymefest, but he made up for that through his unique flow, but in the end I was a fan of him as a producer and beat-maker as a whole. He's getting worse, though, and it sounds to me like the reason is that he mostly writes on his own since Yeezus.
In the end I don't care for lyricism in rap anymore like I used to and even less about technique (GTFOH with your rappidy-rap, lyrical-miracle-spiritual-individual like Slaughterhouse, etc.). It's all about the flow, swag, ear for melody, song building, etc. now. Drake is one of the bests in that regard, even if it's true that it's more than just homies bouncing around ideas and references in the stu. Drake has his trademark sound since 2009, that's him. Now the words might not be. Who knows. Anyway, the most relevant stuff always was his personal songs and I doubt that those were ghostwritten. I mean, he's not Dre.
Let's not be naive, there were rumors about Nas or Jay having ghostwriters, too, over the last decade. What about those?
While we're at it: let's do a quick Top 5 GOAT. I have to think about it some more, though. Will post later.
Ye generally isn't really considered to be a GOAT rapper like Jay, Nas, etc. anyway, is he? He was at his best around Late Registration and the Freshmen tapes and at that time he was one of the dopest rappers flow-wise, imo. The way he stretched and twisted words was fresh as hell. Now most of it was probably ghostwritten by Cons and Rhymefest, but he made up for that through his unique flow, but in the end I was a fan of him as a producer and beat-maker as a whole. He's getting worse, though, and it sounds to me like the reason is that he mostly writes on his own since Yeezus.
In the end I don't care for lyricism in rap anymore like I used to and even less about technique (GTFOH with your rappidy-rap, lyrical-miracle-spiritual-individual like Slaughterhouse, etc.). It's all about the flow, swag, ear for melody, song building, etc. now. Drake is one of the bests in that regard, even if it's true that it's more than just homies bouncing around ideas and references in the stu. Drake has his trademark sound since 2009, that's him. Now the words might not be. Who knows. Anyway, the most relevant stuff always was his personal songs and I doubt that those were ghostwritten. I mean, he's not Dre.
Let's not be naive, there were rumors about Nas or Jay having ghostwriters, too, over the last decade. What about those?
While we're at it: let's do a quick Top 5 GOAT. I have to think about it some more, though. Will post later.
Storm Chamber
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I'd say it's more along the lines of having roots in genres where lyrics aren't necessarily as important as everything else.
And that's about the nicest way I can put that
This is pretty nuts. Dude just did his thing, didn't stir shit up and delivered good music. Good for him, told my friends about DS2 and they like it as well
Future in the big league
Huh, just heard the rumor about Lupe writing for The Black Album for the first time.
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Ebro:
"For instance..
2Pac = Rapper
BIG = Lyricist & Rapper
Wordplay = Lyricism
Words that Rhyme = Rapping
Jay Z = Lyricist & Rapper
Nas = Rapper"
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Ebro:
"For instance..
2Pac = Rapper
BIG = Lyricist & Rapper
Wordplay = Lyricism
Words that Rhyme = Rapping
Jay Z = Lyricist & Rapper
Nas = Rapper"
Ghostface
Kool G Rap
Andre 3000
Slick Rick
Snoop (feels weird to say it these days, but whatever)
More just my favourites as opposed to the objective GOAT, though.
A couple weeks ago these snippets leaked off KTT but ofc probably doesnt mean much. Remember the early versions of Runaway?
PhoenixDark
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He's writing another acoustic smash hit, this time about Catelyn Jenner.
Storm Chamber
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New marvel hip hop variant covers are out
oof
Lmao.
Actually plugged my headphones into my work laptop for Esch's link.
It's always situational. If you find out that artist uses one occasionally on a single, then that's fine really. If you find out that artist uses ghostwriters for the bulk of their work, then yeah that's disappointing. And that's what seems to be happening with Drake. It decreases your worth as a musician in this genre. It's rap after all.
https://twitter.com/OGMaco/status/624664444316987392
OG Maco (QM's friend): "Yall can tweet me this all day.
All I'm seeing is a nigga I once respected playing himself.
Period. "(referring to QM stating he is not and never will ghostwrite for drake)
People thinking its not a big deal...idk. Are you hip hop fans? Like "the game" that all these rappers talk about and fans are observing, taking bets on, is the competition of theiir rapping skills...thats the whole culture...hell its 50% of drake's lyrics..."I can tell you not a rapper." which is invalidated if you have other people writing entire verses for you. He's now just a vocalist. I get it more than other people too. Songwriting predates hip hop. When rappers made it to the bigger level they were introduced to writing teams for commercial music production, and it fused from there. But still. Yo. If it was really the whole RICO verse...
OG Maco (QM's friend): "Yall can tweet me this all day.
All I'm seeing is a nigga I once respected playing himself.
Period. "(referring to QM stating he is not and never will ghostwrite for drake)
People thinking its not a big deal...idk. Are you hip hop fans? Like "the game" that all these rappers talk about and fans are observing, taking bets on, is the competition of theiir rapping skills...thats the whole culture...hell its 50% of drake's lyrics..."I can tell you not a rapper." which is invalidated if you have other people writing entire verses for you. He's now just a vocalist. I get it more than other people too. Songwriting predates hip hop. When rappers made it to the bigger level they were introduced to writing teams for commercial music production, and it fused from there. But still. Yo. If it was really the whole RICO verse...
Storm Chamber
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For a genre that prides itself on competition between it's contemporaries, it should be a big deal. The thing is though, with a rapper like Drake...is anyone really surprised?
WanderingWind said this pages ago but dude practically bought himself into the game. Don't be surprised if he's buying verses too.
WanderingWind said this pages ago but dude practically bought himself into the game. Don't be surprised if he's buying verses too.
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PhoenixDark
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You're only a fan of chaos, tatted girls, jerk chicken, and tucking your shirt in your pants bruh.
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