sonycowboy said:Microsoft attempts to dismiss Sony PSP, Moore makes a fool of himself again
Mooreberg said:He's a moron.
GamerXL said:Wow, before you go patting yourself on the back, realize that the PS2 userbase has grown since the two years since Vice City was released and if GTA:SA had the exact same market penetration, it would of course *GASP!* sell more copies than Vice City in the same time period. Easy.
And I'm basing of the reaction of the gaming community. Where is the contant discussion of all the San Andreas in the community? It's absolutley nothing compared to when GTA III dropped. That game was a bonafied phenomenon. The buzz was everywhere. Now, it's all about Halo 2.
The same thing happened to Mario and Zelda. Yes the game sold well, but the excitement was gone from the gaming community as a whole. That's what I'm basing it on. Maybe you view things differently and if you do state it.
Razoric said:Do you think MS Xbox division might actually pull in a profit from this? They have to be getting close.
So what kind of correlation are you trying to establish between "buzz" and overall sales if your claim is that San Andreas buzz is "absolutely nothing" yet it is selling extremely well?GamerXL said:And I'm basing of the reaction of the gaming community. Where is the contant discussion of all the San Andreas in the community? It's absolutley nothing compared to when GTA III dropped. That game was a bonafied phenomenon. The buzz was everywhere. Now, it's all about Halo 2.
Your tag is hilarious.kaching said:So what kind of correlation are you trying to establish between "buzz" and overall sales if your claim is that San Andreas buzz is "absolutely nothing" yet it is selling extremely well?
kaching said:So what kind of correlation are you trying to establish between "buzz" and overall sales if your claim is that San Andreas buzz is "absolutely nothing" yet it is selling extremely well?
Really you should stop saying that. It might backfireGamerXL said:Wow, I will always be amazed at how personally some people take appeared criticisms of their system/game of choice.
GamerXL said:I never said GTA:SA wasn't selling well and if I did, pleas point that out. I think I explicitly said that it selling to previous fans of the series (of which there are obviously millions) but will have a little difficulty pulling in new games the way Halo 2 will.
Forgive me if I didn't make that more clear.
mumu said:You don't see much buzz about <a href="pokemon%20games" onmouseover="window.status='Pokemon games'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">Pokemon games</a> either, certainly not around here or anywhere else where i've been. Word of mouth might be huge among 12 year old boys though, i wouldn't know.
Where they cute?morbidaza said:The the gym yesterday, there were a group of girls sitting in one of the lounge areas talking about Halo. That was interesting.
SolidSnakex said:That's just it though. Lets say SA sales just like VC. That'd mean for <a href="halo%202" onmouseover="window.status='HALO 2'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">HALO 2</a> to even catch it the game would have to more than double HALO's sales. GTA's userbase is just gigantic compared to other console games.
Prine said:If MS uses Chief in windows longhorn somehow (an icon or a stupid help message) then OMG!
GamerXL said:DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!
Yes, Halo 2 will have to eventually double the first games sales. And it looks like it's clearly on its way to doing that. Which I admit I don't understand that. If the first one sold 5 million copies world wide to date, how in the the HELL is Halo 2 going to easily sell 5 million worldwide THIS YEAR?
Why do you interpret my question as taking it personally? You put forth an argument and I'm challenging the particulars of that argument. This is what we do in discussion forums on the Internet. SolidSnakeX did the same, and yet you also jumped to conclusions there as well, about patting himself on the back. I think you're the only one taking this a little too personally.GamerXL said:Wow, I will always be amazed at how personally some people take appeared criticisms of their system/game of choice.
I had no problem understanding what you said, but you clearly had difficulty understanding what I said. Try again.Forgive me if I didn't make that more clear.
mumu said:not a chance in hell. the downside of the spectacular day 1 sales (and the whole marketing behind it) is that most people already got theirs now. i expect sales to drop dramatically over the news few weeks.
Barnimal said:WTF??? :
dorio said:Where they cute?
your tag suits you. maybe you can help me out with the pokemon word of mouth on the streetbitwise said:nintendo fanboy. also already made the obligatory pokemon references.
morbidaza said:They were alright.
While we're on the topic, I guess I should also add in the hottest girl I know (and have probably ever met) is more excited about halo 2 than I am.
open_mouth said:Microsoft now has the Halo franchie, the Fable franchise, the Mechwarrior franchise, the Perfect Dark franchise, the Conker franchise, and Banjo franchise and the Killer Instinct franchise to really build around for next-gen. All of these are potential million sellers if developed and marketed correctly (which they seem to be so far!).
open_mouth_ said:Microsoft now has the Halo franchie, the Fable franchise, the Mechwarrior franchise, the Perfect Dark franchise, the Conker franchise, and Banjo franchise and the Killer Instinct franchise to really build around for next-gen.
The biggest thing to come out of those numbers is that japanese publishers making american theme games will say maybe we can make alittle change by making this game for the xbox.Catchpenny said:Easy there, son. We'll see how sustained Fable's success is...I'm betting the dropoff this month will be big. Conker sold terribly on the N64, and while some of that was due to bad timing and marketing, I don't see much evidence that this is a franchise able to push a million units. Banjo has been in decline since the first game, and Microsoft has shown absolutely zero ability to sell platformers. There may never be a Killer Instinct 3, and it's tough to say how it would sell now.
Microsoft has done well, and I think they'll continue to be successful and eat into Sony's marketshare. In terms of content they own, though, Halo is the only sure thing they've got. A properly-hyped Perfect Dark would be big as well.
GamerXL said:Is Pokemon pulling in new gamers to the Gameboy or is the series pretty much selling to it's previous audience?
Meier said:Considering most of the original Pokémon audience are probably in (or closing in on) high school now (or college in some instances), it's clearly selling to a new generation of gamers primarily.
GamerXL said:If the first one sold 5 million copies world wide to date, how in the the HELL is Halo 2 going to easily sell 5 million worldwide THIS YEAR?
GamerXL said:I disagree.
Unlike San Andreas, people are actually buying XBOXen to play Halo 2. Hell, when I picked mine up, I saw gamers actually trading in San Andreas to pay off their Halo 2 preorders!
The reasons I feel that Halo 2 will eventually outsell GTA:SA are the following:
1) The bloom is off the rose with the GTA series. GTA III was phenomenal and people really wanted to see what R* would do with the series in another setting and devoured GTA:VC. Now, I'm afraid the game only appeals to fans of the series now and will have trouble pulling in people who previously had no interest in the series(I call this the 'Nintendo Effect'). So GTA:SA's audience is only of previous GTA/PS2 owners.
2) Halo 2's multiplayer options puts the game in a whole other category of fun. People are jamming XBOXLive playing this game and from what I'm hearing(I haven't been online yet) it's the best XBL experience yet. And oh yeah, people who buy the game get 2 months of XBL for free. Nice.
3) The anticipation for Halo 2 easily dwarves the anticipation for GTA:SA. Like I said, pretty much only people who already had PS2's and played the previous versios were waiting for GTA. People who never even intended to buy an XBOX are buying one just to play Halo 2. People are actually talking non-stop about this game everywhere. The buzz around it is unlike any game I've seen, EVER. And again, the XBL aspect makes this game an gaming community "event". GTA:SA lacks that.
4) There's no controversy surronding this game. There isn't a widespread objection amongst parents to their kids playing this game.
5) I have to give a fifth reason? I'm not sayin Halo 2 will outsell GTA:SA. What I'm saying is that GTA:SA will sell LESS than GTA:VC and that Halo 2 will sell around the same amount and possibly more. I wouldn't be surprised if Halo 2 sold 4 million before New Years and another 3 million + next year. It'll be pretty much like the first Halo, live in the XBOX top 10 from here on out only selling well over 100,000 every month.
GamerXL said:I doubt it's selling like it was in its prime though. No series hold its audience forever. Every series fades. I believe Halo has one more huge seller in it and I feel that's because it's going to be on a new system(like Super Mario 64 did).
You're giving Microsoft's pr department much too much credit. The game is not selling because of movie trailers and midnight specials, it's selling because of Halo1 and the fact that it's been a 3 year wait.sonycowboy said:Wow. This number is beyond staggering. I think it easily eclipses ANY other game launch, Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior included.
I'm now starting to believe this whole "Halo magic" thing.
Can it do 5 million in November? Sure
Can it beat GTA:SA for the year? Uh Huh
Can it sell 2 million+ Xbox's in November? I don't see why not.
Can it cause Europes' Xbox installed base to double? Nothing is impossible.
Who would've know that only Michael Pachter could have figured this all out.
Amazing. There just aren't words for this moment. Microsoft has just slain the dragon, nailed the prom queen, pulled the sword from the stone, and OWNED everyone in ONE DAY.
They've somehow managed to make Halo 2 the event of this generation eclipsing everything else, even before people could decide if Halo 2 was all that good anyway. Make no mistake, this was a PR victory. As incredible as you may think Halo 2 is, these sales aren't because of how good it is, it's about how Microsoft was able to convince EVERYONE that Halo 2 was the second coming. I don't think even the staunchest Xbot could have imagined that this many people would be convinced to go overnight or within the first hours to get this game.
My hat is off to them. Well played.
Yes, this is undoubtedly the greatest game launch of all time.sonycowboy said:Wow. This number is beyond staggering. I think it easily eclipses ANY other game launch, Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior included.
Allow me to question thatTeddman said:Let there be no question: Halo 2 is now the fastest selling game in history by quite a margin.