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[Raxel]

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[bitwise]

perhaps the biggest launch ever.

 

[novery]

Boy, that Peter Moore sure is an idiot!


from earlier thread: http://forums.gaming-age.com/showthread.php?p=597265#post597265

Microsoft attempts to dismiss Sony PSP, Moore makes a fool of himself again

He's a moron.

(I know they were referring to other things, but they still seem to think Moore is some kind of babbling fool.)

 

[dorio]

He's a rich moron.

Anyone want to bump any of those sales prediction threads. GTA-SA vs. Halo2.

 

[Razoric]

Do you think MS Xbox division might actually pull in a profit from this? They have to be getting close.

 

[snapty00]

To br fair, I think Peter Moore *is* a fool. I certainly don't credit him with any Halo 2 successes.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Wow, before you go patting yourself on the back, realize that the PS2 userbase has grown since the two years since Vice City was released and if GTA:SA had the exact same market penetration, it would of course *GASP!* sell more copies than Vice City in the same time period. Easy.

And I'm basing of the reaction of the gaming community. Where is the contant discussion of all the San Andreas in the community? It's absolutley nothing compared to when GTA III dropped. That game was a bonafied phenomenon. The buzz was everywhere. Now, it's all about Halo 2.

The same thing happened to Mario and Zelda. Yes the game sold well, but the excitement was gone from the gaming community as a whole. That's what I'm basing it on. Maybe you view things differently and if you do state it.

*gets flashbacks of VC's launch*

 

[GamerXL]

Do you think MS Xbox division might actually pull in a profit from this? They have to be getting close.

They may pull a small profit. But M$ thought long term. Now that they have a fistful of key franchises, they can go into the next generation with surefire sellers and hopefully, cheaper to produce hardware...if they've learned anything in this generation.

 

[kaching]

And I'm basing of the reaction of the gaming community. Where is the contant discussion of all the San Andreas in the community? It's absolutley nothing compared to when GTA III dropped. That game was a bonafied phenomenon. The buzz was everywhere. Now, it's all about Halo 2.

So what kind of correlation are you trying to establish between "buzz" and overall sales if your claim is that San Andreas buzz is "absolutely nothing" yet it is selling extremely well?

 

[dorio]

So what kind of correlation are you trying to establish between "buzz" and overall sales if your claim is that San Andreas buzz is "absolutely nothing" yet it is selling extremely well?

Your tag is hilarious.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

Add 1, my brother should be going to get his copy today. I'm not surprised at all, if you think about how well the original continued to sold after release.

Are there any early console sales numbers?

 

[GamerXL]

So what kind of correlation are you trying to establish between "buzz" and overall sales if your claim is that San Andreas buzz is "absolutely nothing" yet it is selling extremely well?

Wow, I will always be amazed at how personally some people take appeared criticisms of their system/game of choice.

I never said GTA:SA wasn't selling well and if I did, pleas point that out. I think I explicitly said that it selling to previous fans of the series (of which there are obviously millions) but will have a little difficulty pulling in new games the way Halo 2 will.

Forgive me if I didn't make that more clear.

 

[mumu]

You don't see much buzz about Pokemon games either, certainly not around here or anywhere else where i've been. Word of mouth might be huge among 12 year old boys though, i wouldn't know.

 

[mumu]

Wow, I will always be amazed at how personally some people take appeared criticisms of their system/game of choice.

Really you should stop saying that. It might backfire

 

[Musashi Wins!]

I disagree, I think PS2 sales will show a big spike with new hardware and a new GTA at the same time. It was a great correlation for them.

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

The the gym yesterday, there were a group of girls sitting in one of the lounge areas talking about Halo. That was interesting.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I never said GTA:SA wasn't selling well and if I did, pleas point that out. I think I explicitly said that it selling to previous fans of the series (of which there are obviously millions) but will have a little difficulty pulling in new games the way Halo 2 will.

Forgive me if I didn't make that more clear.

That's just it though. Lets say SA sales just like VC. That'd mean for HALO 2 to even catch it the game would have to more than double HALO's sales. GTA's userbase is just gigantic compared to other console games.

 

[GamerXL]

You don't see much buzz about <a href="pokemon%20games" onmouseover="window.status='Pokemon games'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">Pokemon games</a> either, certainly not around here or anywhere else where i've been. Word of mouth might be huge among 12 year old boys though, i wouldn't know.

Is Pokemon pulling in new gamers to the Gameboy or is the series pretty much selling to it's previous audience?

Again, noone said GTA:SA or Pokemon don't sell well (where do you guys get that?), what I'm saying is that they're no longer the phenomenons they once were.

You know, other games are allowed to take the spotlight away from your cherished favorites, y'know? Happens all the time.

 

[dorio]

The the gym yesterday, there were a group of girls sitting in one of the lounge areas talking about Halo. That was interesting.

Where they cute?

 

[GamerXL]

That's just it though. Lets say SA sales just like VC. That'd mean for <a href="halo%202" onmouseover="window.status='HALO 2'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">HALO 2</a> to even catch it the game would have to more than double HALO's sales. GTA's userbase is just gigantic compared to other console games.

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

Yes, Halo 2 will have to eventually double the first games sales. And it looks like it's clearly on its way to doing that. Which I admit I don't understand that. If the first one sold 5 million copies world wide to date, how in the the HELL is Halo 2 going to easily sell 5 million worldwide THIS YEAR?

 

[MrparisSM]

If MS uses Chief in windows longhorn somehow (an icon or a stupid help message) then OMG!

LOL that would be funny as hell! Would be great for marketing aswell! :lol Yo I think Halo 2 will double Halo's sales. I Halo 2 at Midnight madness and I don't even own the first one! I'm sure a lot of other people did the same.

 

[mumu]

Does anyone else see the strange HTML code in the quote GamerXL just posted? I've seen it in another post today already.

I don't know if Pokemon still draws new fans, but i think it does. There wil certainly be no shortage of kids for a while Older kids might lose interest though, so it probably evens itself out.

 

[DopeyFish]

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

Yes, Halo 2 will have to eventually double the first games sales. And it looks like it's clearly on its way to doing that. Which I admit I don't understand that. If the first one sold 5 million copies world wide to date, how in the the HELL is Halo 2 going to easily sell 5 million worldwide THIS YEAR?

Because it sold 2.5 million in america and canada alone in one day?

 

[Midas]

Weird quotes. What are you doing?

 

[kaching]

Wow, I will always be amazed at how personally some people take appeared criticisms of their system/game of choice.

Why do you interpret my question as taking it personally? You put forth an argument and I'm challenging the particulars of that argument. This is what we do in discussion forums on the Internet. SolidSnakeX did the same, and yet you also jumped to conclusions there as well, about patting himself on the back. I think you're the only one taking this a little too personally.

Forgive me if I didn't make that more clear.

I had no problem understanding what you said, but you clearly had difficulty understanding what I said. Try again.

 

[mumu]

I think your browser might be hijacked GamerXL and highlights certain things, or you got some other weird ActiveX control installed.

 

[Barnimal]

not a chance in hell. the downside of the spectacular day 1 sales (and the whole marketing behind it) is that most people already got theirs now. i expect sales to drop dramatically over the news few weeks.

WTF??? :lol havent you learned anything from the original halo? and for those questioning how its gonna sell another 2.5 million copies....SYSTEM SELLER! HELLO! the way this whole thing is playing out is quite frikkin obvious. you guys are just in denial and its pretty pathetic.

 

[bitwise]

WTF??? :

nintendo fanboy. also already made the obligatory pokemon references.

 

[open_mouth_]

Microsoft now has the Halo franchie, the Fable franchise, the Mechwarrior franchise, the Perfect Dark franchise, the Conker franchise, and Banjo franchise and the Killer Instinct franchise to really build around for next-gen. All of these are potential million sellers if developed and marketed correctly (which they seem to be so far!).

Add to that the recognizable 3rd party franchises (DOA, Ninja Gaiden, Tom Clancy, Star Wars licensed, Bioware's games, Sega support, etc.) plus all the multiplatform stuff and you've got another round of quality gaming from Microsoft to ensure a high level of competition for Sony.

 

[GamerXL]

kaching(the one with the "Will Spin For Sony" tag): Uh, yeah..

mumu: Yeah, I notice that when I quote people it highlights some things and the weird text comes up. I'll have to scan my drives.

Dopeyfish: Exactly. It's sold 2.5 million ALREADY. That's amazing and goes along with my "pulling in new gamers" theory.

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

Where they cute?

They were alright.

While we're on the topic, I guess I should also add in the hottest girl I know (and have probably ever met) is more excited about halo 2 than I am.

 

[mumu]

nintendo fanboy. also already made the obligatory pokemon references.

your tag suits you. maybe you can help me out with the pokemon word of mouth on the street

bitwise, how many copies did halo sell on release date? how much hype was there? i'm not saying halo2 won't have veeery long legs, just not very big ones (compared to first day sales).

 

[GamerXL]

They were alright.

While we're on the topic, I guess I should also add in the hottest girl I know (and have probably ever met) is more excited about halo 2 than I am.

Along a similar vein: A friend-girl of mine was mad yesterday when I told her not to try to contact me (not even for "servicing") because I was gonna be playing Halo 2 all day. She's a HUGE Sci-fi and anime fan. But she emailed me today saying she didn't understand the appeal of videogames! I tried to school her a bit and actually talked her into watching me play a little Halo 2. I guaranteed she'll at least get into the story.

 

[Catchpenny]

Microsoft now has the Halo franchie, the Fable franchise, the Mechwarrior franchise, the Perfect Dark franchise, the Conker franchise, and Banjo franchise and the Killer Instinct franchise to really build around for next-gen. All of these are potential million sellers if developed and marketed correctly (which they seem to be so far!).

Easy there, son. We'll see how sustained Fable's success is...I'm betting the dropoff this month will be big. Conker sold terribly on the N64, and while some of that was due to bad timing and marketing, I don't see much evidence that this is a franchise able to push a million units. Banjo has been in decline since the first game, and Microsoft has shown absolutely zero ability to sell platformers. There may never be a Killer Instinct 3, and it's tough to say how it would sell now.

Microsoft has done well, and I think they'll continue to be successful and eat into Sony's marketshare. In terms of content they own, though, Halo is the only sure thing they've got. A properly-hyped Perfect Dark would be big as well.

 

[dorio]

You guys talk to girls? I'm jealous.

 

[GamerXL]

I'm thinking Conker will sell really well. The XBL aspect of it will ensure lots of notices. Especially if it gets decent reviews.

 

[Jagernaut]

Microsoft now has the Halo franchie, the Fable franchise, the Mechwarrior franchise, the Perfect Dark franchise, the Conker franchise, and Banjo franchise and the Killer Instinct franchise to really build around for next-gen.

Wait, Microsoft owns Fable?

 

[dorio]

Easy there, son. We'll see how sustained Fable's success is...I'm betting the dropoff this month will be big. Conker sold terribly on the N64, and while some of that was due to bad timing and marketing, I don't see much evidence that this is a franchise able to push a million units. Banjo has been in decline since the first game, and Microsoft has shown absolutely zero ability to sell platformers. There may never be a Killer Instinct 3, and it's tough to say how it would sell now.

Microsoft has done well, and I think they'll continue to be successful and eat into Sony's marketshare. In terms of content they own, though, Halo is the only sure thing they've got. A properly-hyped Perfect Dark would be big as well.

The biggest thing to come out of those numbers is that japanese publishers making american theme games will say maybe we can make alittle change by making this game for the xbox.

 

[sonycowboy]

Wow. This number is beyond staggering. I think it easily eclipses ANY other game launch, Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior included.

I'm now starting to believe this whole "Halo magic" thing.

Can it do 5 million in November? Sure
Can it beat GTA:SA for the year? Uh Huh
Can it sell 2 million+ Xbox's in November? I don't see why not.
Can it cause Europes' Xbox installed base to double? Nothing is impossible.


Who would've know that only Michael Pachter could have figured this all out.

Amazing. There just aren't words for this moment. Microsoft has just slain the dragon, nailed the prom queen, pulled the sword from the stone, and OWNED everyone in ONE DAY.

They've somehow managed to make Halo 2 the event of this generation eclipsing everything else, even before people could decide if Halo 2 was all that good anyway. Make no mistake, this was a PR victory. As incredible as you may think Halo 2 is, these sales aren't because of how good it is, it's about how Microsoft was able to convince EVERYONE that Halo 2 was the second coming. I don't think even the staunchest Xbot could have imagined that this many people would be convinced to go overnight or within the first hours to get this game.

My hat is off to them. Well played.

 

[Meier]

Is Pokemon pulling in new gamers to the Gameboy or is the series pretty much selling to it's previous audience?

Considering most of the original Pokémon audience are probably in (or closing in on) high school now (or college in some instances), it's clearly selling to a new generation of gamers primarily.

 

[soundwave05]

I think Conker will sell in line with Crimson Skies, but a million copies would really be pushing it.

I agree that MS has shown they're an able competitior, but I really get the feeling Kutaragi is going to go for a KO with Playstation 3 right out of the gates, just like they're being very aggressive with PSP.

If it's the most powerful system (probably will be) and has Blu-Ray on top of that ... I dunno, they are going to be very hard to beat.

But the sequel success is generally going to be like this. The original Halo sold slower out of the gates but built an audience over time. Now that audience wants Halo 2 right on day one.

It's not much different from the movies, where say the first Matrix did strong box office, but Matrix Reloaded had midnight openings and lineups around the theater for a monsterous opening weekend.

 

[GamerXL]

Considering most of the original Pokémon audience are probably in (or closing in on) high school now (or college in some instances), it's clearly selling to a new generation of gamers primarily.

I doubt it's selling like it was in its prime though. No series hold its audience forever. Every series fades. I believe Halo has one more huge seller in it and I feel that's because it's going to be on a new system(like Super Mario 64 did).

 

[joshschw]

If the first one sold 5 million copies world wide to date, how in the the HELL is Halo 2 going to easily sell 5 million worldwide THIS YEAR?

The first one sold 3 million over a period of three years, which included MANY copies being sold and resold which had on effect on sales numbers. Bottom line is much more than 5 million people played the first one.

 

[sonycowboy]

I disagree.

Unlike San Andreas, people are actually buying XBOXen to play Halo 2. Hell, when I picked mine up, I saw gamers actually trading in San Andreas to pay off their Halo 2 preorders!

The reasons I feel that Halo 2 will eventually outsell GTA:SA are the following:

1) The bloom is off the rose with the GTA series. GTA III was phenomenal and people really wanted to see what R* would do with the series in another setting and devoured GTA:VC. Now, I'm afraid the game only appeals to fans of the series now and will have trouble pulling in people who previously had no interest in the series(I call this the 'Nintendo Effect'). So GTA:SA's audience is only of previous GTA/PS2 owners.

2) Halo 2's multiplayer options puts the game in a whole other category of fun. People are jamming XBOXLive playing this game and from what I'm hearing(I haven't been online yet) it's the best XBL experience yet. And oh yeah, people who buy the game get 2 months of XBL for free. Nice.

3) The anticipation for Halo 2 easily dwarves the anticipation for GTA:SA. Like I said, pretty much only people who already had PS2's and played the previous versios were waiting for GTA. People who never even intended to buy an XBOX are buying one just to play Halo 2. People are actually talking non-stop about this game everywhere. The buzz around it is unlike any game I've seen, EVER. And again, the XBL aspect makes this game an gaming community "event". GTA:SA lacks that.

4) There's no controversy surronding this game. There isn't a widespread objection amongst parents to their kids playing this game.

5) I have to give a fifth reason? I'm not sayin Halo 2 will outsell GTA:SA. What I'm saying is that GTA:SA will sell LESS than GTA:VC and that Halo 2 will sell around the same amount and possibly more. I wouldn't be surprised if Halo 2 sold 4 million before New Years and another 3 million + next year. It'll be pretty much like the first Halo, live in the XBOX top 10 from here on out only selling well over 100,000 every month.

Who is this retard whose posting constantly in this thread? Absolutely every comment you've made except that Halo 2 is huge (duh, that's the point of this thread), shows the absolute poorest understanding of this industry of ANYONE I've ever seen. And that is saying a hell of alot.

GTA:SA is clearly outpacing all of it's previous versions by huge amounts. It's 100% up in Europe and 70% up in the US versus vice city, and it appears clear that it will take down Vice City from everything we've seen. Which means that the audience is growing. GTA has absolutely no problem.

Halo 2 is simply kicking it's ass, just like it's kicking every other games ass out there. It's not because the other guys are weak or because "the bloom is off the rose", it's because it's putting absolutely insane numbers out there.

And you're comment about people trading in GTA:SA is pathetic. I don't doubt it happened somewhere across this country, but you portray it as a vote that GTA is out and Halo 2 is in.

Congratulations to being the dumbest stump we've ever seen. You can be happy about Halo 2 all you want and Halo 2's numbers are beyond staggering, but please spare us your inane analysis.

 

[Deg]

YOu know GTA could be beaten for the month.

 

[Meier]

I doubt it's selling like it was in its prime though. No series hold its audience forever. Every series fades. I believe Halo has one more huge seller in it and I feel that's because it's going to be on a new system(like Super Mario 64 did).

It's not selling like it used to, but Ruby/Sapphire have moved over 15 million units worldwide and made over $130 million for Nintendo in America alone (a figure higher than Halo here in only half the time).

 

[dorio]

Wow. This number is beyond staggering. I think it easily eclipses ANY other game launch, Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior included.

I'm now starting to believe this whole "Halo magic" thing.

Can it do 5 million in November? Sure
Can it beat GTA:SA for the year? Uh Huh
Can it sell 2 million+ Xbox's in November? I don't see why not.
Can it cause Europes' Xbox installed base to double? Nothing is impossible.


Who would've know that only Michael Pachter could have figured this all out.

Amazing. There just aren't words for this moment. Microsoft has just slain the dragon, nailed the prom queen, pulled the sword from the stone, and OWNED everyone in ONE DAY.

They've somehow managed to make Halo 2 the event of this generation eclipsing everything else, even before people could decide if Halo 2 was all that good anyway. Make no mistake, this was a PR victory. As incredible as you may think Halo 2 is, these sales aren't because of how good it is, it's about how Microsoft was able to convince EVERYONE that Halo 2 was the second coming. I don't think even the staunchest Xbot could have imagined that this many people would be convinced to go overnight or within the first hours to get this game.

My hat is off to them. Well played.

You're giving Microsoft's pr department much too much credit. The game is not selling because of movie trailers and midnight specials, it's selling because of Halo1 and the fact that it's been a 3 year wait.

 

[_Angelus_]

Two and a half mllion in one day,haha that is really nice to read.

Because I'm playing the game and so fucking love it. Hats off to Bungie and to Microsoft for creating and promoting such a great new franchise.

I bet Bungie must be really fucking happy to see so many enjoying what they've been hamering away at for the last 3 years.

 

[Teddman]

Wow. This number is beyond staggering. I think it easily eclipses ANY other game launch, Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior included.

Yes, this is undoubtedly the greatest game launch of all time.

Let there be no question: Halo 2 is now the fastest selling game in history by quite a margin.

 

[mumu]

Let there be no question: Halo 2 is now the fastest selling game in history by quite a margin.

Allow me to question that I wouldn't be surprised but i don't believe it yet (especially the margin thing). Are you thinking US only or any country/territory?