We shall not speak of the Kilo Five Trilogy.
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We shall not speak of the Kilo Five Trilogy.
Agreed. At least everything else out of the Halo franchise so far has been pretty enjoyable.
I still think it's worth reading (Ghosts of Onyx) to get a better idea about spartanIII's
Way before Halo 1.
Around one year after first contact with the Covenant.. it isnt even general knowledge there is a war going on yet.
SpaceDrake
Member
This is meant to be one of the events that blows the lid off everything, AFAIK. You can't really hide the fact that your training facility for the kids of the military's elite was blasted to atoms.
Basically, by the timeframe of the series humanity has spread pretty damn far interstellarly, and the war with the Covenant begins on the very fringes of human space, allowing the government to keep the conflict quiet while they, among other things, try to figure out wtf is going on (the Covenant practically shot first and didn't ask questions from first contact onward). Once the Covenant begin torching major outposts like Corbulo Academy, though, it's impossible to keep things quiet (and it also becomes clear the Covenant mean business) and the war is on for real.
Kitschkraft
Member
Thanks for the suggestion (To you and everyone), I'll have to read this sometime.
The Elite
BOSS
Huh? I love Kilo Five. Don't understand the hate. Books have been a lot of fun so far.
I think I'm the exact opposite of most fans when it comes to Halo expanded universe stuff. I like Kilo Five and the Fincher trailer yet I didn't like the ODST live action trailers at all.
FUD has been good though. Not exceptional but I know they are working within the limits of a tight budget.
Sorry, but how could you not like the ODST trailer? It's the epitome of trailers, IMHO. Even objectively speaking, it has all the ingredients of a great trailer. Great drama, great action, great music, great special effects, and it ties into the game. Unless you think the drama, action, music, and special effects are poor, then what's not to like about it?
Zeouterlimits
Member
I do think it tonally misrepresents the game the worst of all the Halo live action trailers I saw that ran on tv.
Looks like I´m not alone. Love those books, can´t wait for the next.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Then you must love the Halo canon being completely shitted upon.
JimmyRustler
Member
This, basically.
Glasslands was horrible. Though I've heard Thrusday War is better. That true?
I´ve heard this said before, but I don´t see the evidence.
Halsey seen critical by ONI? Thats something I can imagine in the powerplay just after the war. What else is there I´m not aware of?
The Elite
BOSS
The situation with Halsey made sense in Glasslands.
I'm not sure why people hate how she's treated. She deserved everything that was coming to her.
Do we really have to spoiler this?
I´m not saying she deserved it. But she clearly wasn´t playing by ONI rules for a long time, and opposed them often enough. That they decided to get a little payback is not surprising
The Elite
BOSS
I'm not sure whether to spoiler tag it or not. I'd love to discuss the books in the spoilers and speculation thread but that's filled with Halo 4 spoilers so I have nowhere to talk about them.
Silphonica
Banned
This should honestly be an on-going thing, like a tv show. Even people who don't play video games would find this amazing.
Just watched the first three, damn, this is awesome. I was completely burnt out on Halo after ODST/3/Reach, haven't looked at anything regarding Halo 4 because I simply no longer cared. But this series is fantastic, and now I'm hyped for the new game and I've never even seen anything on it. Damnit!
TacticalFox88
Banned
Said it in the other thread, the "backlash" to that book was totally unwarranted. Halsey behaves like a mad scientist bitch in every other piece of Halo fiction, and rightfully got what was coming to her in Glasslands.
The Elite
BOSS
I'mnotfuckingkidyou.jpg
Basically what Sir Fragula said. Tactically, from Paragnosky's (sp?) point of view, it also made complete sense. Keep one of the top human scientists, a loose canon, on a leash. Humanity still needs her even though what she did was morally wrong.
gollumsluvslave
Member
I read the short story Pariah from Evolutions about a week before Glasslands, and I think Glasslands get's it spot on.
Halsey IS a War Criminal, somethings really are just unconscionable and plain wrong, regardless of the outcome, and abducting kids at 6 to turn them into super-soldiers is one of them.
Throughoutt the expanded universe it's been made into a grey area depending on the point of view (echoes of Obi-Wan?).
I really enjoyed Glasslands, Halsey has been on a pedestal in the books for too long.
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
Wow. You need to take a look at the community thread, you will care once you see some game play.
TacticalFox88
Banned
You all must be forgetting this tiny little fact that if it WEREN"T FOR HALSEY HUMANITY WOULD BE EXTINCT!
Was what she did morally wrong? Sure, no one's questioning that. But to say what Halsey did wasn't necessary is ludicrous and completely and utterly asinine. You all know as well as I do, that if you were in her shoes you'd do the exact same fucking thing.
Glasslands tried to make an issue black and white, when it's still has several shades of grey in it.
So, do morally bankrupt things or preserve the human race in its entirety. You pick.
And let's not mention Parangosky's stupidity involving the Elites. This woman's stupidity is risking ANOTHER war with the Elites that Humanity couldn't hope to (Logically without Deus Ex Machina) to win.
soulassssns
Banned
I'm pretty sure those that had 1st contact all died.
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Actually I was a little burned out after Halo 3, but I got an old copy of Halo Wars over the summer and I got hooked again on the unique take on the vehicle combat aspect. I was anxious to see what if any new drivable stuff was added. So, they go and make a brand new vehicle!
STOMP DAT GHOST!
The Elite
BOSS
She carried out the Spartan II program before the Covenant were on the map. She didn't do it to save humanity, only to squash insurgent forces. Her timing was uncanny because they did aid in stopping the Covenant. Also, kidnapping children is morally wrong. FULL STOP. She needed to answer for that. I think she even accepted that.
If that wasn't enough, she kidnaps a Spartan who is detrimental to the war effort, and whisks them off to Onyx. An extra Spartan could have saved hundreds of lives.
Halsey did what she did prior to the discovery of the Covenant, however. Surely you aren't arguing that humanity would be extinct as a result of the insurgency?
EDIT: FFFFF. Time lords.
NekoFever
Member
The funny thing is she tries to use that argument in the book, and they point out that the Spartan II project was set up during the insurrection, years before the Covenant even showed up. It worked out in the end, but it was hardly necessary to kidnap children and indoctrinate and experiment on them until they're soldiers to fight some terrorists.
But yeah, it would be a war crime any way you look at it.
TacticalFox88
Banned
That is true, and I'm not denying that, but for ONI to sit there and call her out for all of her so called morally bankrupt projects that THEY FUNDED and the fact they've inarguably done shit far more fucked up than she did, reeks of hypocrisy of the highest level.
To me, it seemed like Halsey was scapegoated for ALL of ONI's morally unsound practices, when in reality, they are far more despicable than Halsey could ever be.
To me, it seemed like Halsey was scapegoated for ALL of ONI's morally unsound practices, when in reality, they are far more despicable than Halsey could ever be.
Yup, I'm such a sucker. But when the quality is this good, I don't care.
The Elite
BOSS
I'm sure ONI has done a lot of shitty things but it worked out for Parangosky. Halsey was a loose canon and capturing her on these charges allowed Parangosky to keep her under control.
There's definitely a level of hypocrisy at play but I don't think that makes the book bad at all. Everything that transpired made sense within the fiction and Halsey really did have what was coming to her.
minasodaboy
Member
that's the point.
scapegoat halsey > look good to the public > distract everyone from your less than savory nature > continue to have halsey work for you without repercussions/restrictions
The Elite
BOSS
They did Halsey one better too. They let the world think she was dead instead of revealing what she had done. Worked out for Parangosky and Halsey. Halsey gets to work on the most advanced ship in the fleet and Parangosky gets her lapdog. Everybody wins!
vasametropolis
Member
sorry if already mentioned, but did anyone else notice Frankie in the most recent episode of FUD? I'm 99% sure it was him, but I haven't gone back to check.
Awesome.
Awesome.
The Elite
BOSS
He was in Episode 2. I must have missed him in 3.
gollumsluvslave
Member
I disagree, Glaslands doesn't make it totally black & white where Halsey is concerned, because Parangosky freely admits that she herself knows it was wrong but and she would 'go to hell', but would admit to what she did.
However she did tear into Halsey for the replacement of the children with flash clones; with Halsey coming to the realisation that she replaced the children with clones to absolve her own conscience even though someone in her position should have known the clones would die.
I think it's portrayed as still quite a grey area, but if anything both Halsey & Mendez come across to me as more human and fleshed out characters - the sheer weight of what they have done over the years would take it's toll on anyone.
I see it as more believable, as always YMMV.
TheVoidDragon
Member
Why is there a lack of any vehicles other than the standard ones seen in the main trilogy (Like the stuff in Halo wars) in most things? i thought the explanation for them hardly been seen was that all the places manufacturing them were destroyed by the covenant, that's why we don't see them in the main games.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Its during first(ish) contact with the Covenant, except for the Cortana scenes which are post Halo 3.
Honestly, we probably don't see them in FUD due to budget reasons. I really hope FUD opens the gateways to get Halo more live action options, and if it does I really hope they embrace the expanded fiction.
Major Williams
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If anything, Halo has done a great job of making Halsey one of the most complete grey areas of the franchise. In one book you can agree with her, and then starting with Glasslands, you kind of see how you were given into some sort of Stockholm syndrome. When I read through her journal that came with a limited edition of reach, I began to see that even she felt guilt. You could see the effect that her actual crimes were having on her.
If anything, these books have shown the complexity of the bureaucracy that ONI has created for themselves. I think it's a fantastic job by the writers, and a great step for the franchise.
Cuban Legend
Member
god damn it guys. compelling arguments from both sides.
Does the end justify Halsey's means? Kill a few to save many?
shit like this needs its own OT thread in community, this is more heated than poligaf jaja
Does the end justify Halsey's means? Kill a few to save many?
shit like this needs its own OT thread in community, this is more heated than poligaf jaja
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Vague, non specific Glasslands Spoilers:
My biggest issue is Halsey's flaws can be spread all over ONI, yet Glasslands is biased towards painting her to be the worst of em. She clearly is a war criminal; but so is ONI. I don't like how Mendez is somehow better than her even though he was hands on with kidnapping kids to mass produce and send them on suicide runs at the age of 12. Basically, Traviss was way too biased with her writing and there were way too many inconsistencies.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Can we relegate the new book spoilers to another thread? Getting hard to follow this thread while avoiding spoilers.
But that's mentioned in Glasslands, where they argue about it and he acknowledges his role in it. Also, even Mendez is being used by ONI, in that he's considered nothing more than a Spartan trainer consultant, rather than a genuine soldier. Perhaps they're keeping him locked down to keep him from talking?