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Halo 4 |OT| Spartans Never Die
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Acidote
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You guys mismanaged your equipment too bad. I just did that section last night solo without a single death, and I'm not a good player. I just tried to get the hogs back inside the mammoth when I was done with a zone (and even a ghost that was laying there sitting pretty in the zone before the one you're complaining). The laser warthog did the trick in that zone with the help of a fellow marine. I drived, he shot.
I had to save and quit after I was done with the mammoth, but found it easy if you took your time with the mission. Abusing the mounted rocket launchers too, by the end of the zone I just had one of them broken.
This is why you're a stupid face, Drew.
WonkyPanda
Member
Man, i don't know what it is, but I always go back to 'hologram' for my ability. It's just so versatile and I love using it as an offense and defensive measure.
Fix The Scientist
Member
Starting to really get my ass handed to me in multiplayer, shit is frustrating.
polyh3dron
Banned
Just finished the campaign, credits are rolling now and I played on Heroic for my first run. I must say, I enjoyed the campaign even if the story was a bit thinner than I would have expected. Will get into multiplayer this week since I'm off work.
TrueSkill catching up to you.
Tell me the good maps, Blaze.
Tell me.
At least for stickies, it will get better when (if?) they fix the grenade sprint glitch.
soxinthebox
Member
Any idea how many victories you need to reach Slayer Victory - Master?
Always wanted Gungnir in Reach but never reached it so I'm hoping this one will be easier to unlock (even though it looks heaps worse than the original).
Always wanted Gungnir in Reach but never reached it so I'm hoping this one will be easier to unlock (even though it looks heaps worse than the original).
Around 200 IIRC.
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Deleted member 1235
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this was indeed a thing, I don't know what was wrong with the netcode in firefight, but in reach I always had great multi connections, but firefight lagged ridiculously unplayably bad at least 80% of the time.
soxinthebox
Member
Sweet, cheers
This. If you're dumb enough to go into BTB without a plasma pistol/plasma grenade loadout you deserve everything you get.
Haven. Also, Haven.
YES it is. It usually happens when Im playing with my brother, who is definitely at a higher skill level.
Zealot and Powerhouse were strong slayer maps compared to Haven, and Zealot was still great for 2-flag and Assault.
I initially thought H4 had better launch maps than both games, but come to think of it, with how global ordnance works, and how poorly implemented vehicles and power weapons are in Ragnarok and Exile, I'm not so sure anymore. Halo 3 had a few decent ones, but lots of crap too. Reach was the same - their own share of good ones, but also some duds. Complex and Abandon are really the only true bad ones I've come across but I do enjoy Adrift, Haven, and Longbow.
Map quality in Halo has been pretty average for awhile now. There have been some good ones here and there, but for the most part a forgetful bunch. Gametypes for these said maps are also vital, so that's probably another big factor for their entertainment purposes.
Not a fan of the constant lifts and ramps. Really is a CQC type of map, thus you commonly see AR users, grenades, and melee more frequent ("Golden Triangle"). I mean, the gametypes that work for it aren't really high, either. It's not good for Flag (I doubt even 1-flag would save it), not Oddball, not King - nothing redeeming about it to me.
Monocle
Member
Spartan Ops Episode 2 really cemented my dislike of Prometheans. Chapters 1 and 5 seem specially designed to foreground the very worst qualities of all the new enemy types. Watchers are flying peckers that do everything they can to annoy you, and as soon as you try to pop them they toot off to cower behind the nearest scrap of cover so that when you turn to something else they can ruin your day all over again. I really hate them. A class of enemy that you absolutely must dispatch before all others contradicts Halo's design philosophy, making an utter mess of combat flow as a result. Watchers collapse Halo's sandbox gameplay into a linear exercise in tedium. Jesus, they are so bloody awful.
Knights are almost as aggravating as Watchers. They too retreat when they take fire. They either take potshots from a distance or charge you erratically, and there's not much you can do about it. I have a hard time telling how they're armed, which can result in frustrating encounters on higher difficulties.
Crawlers are pretty awful too. They're tough to headshot and they swarm you from all sides like Zerglings, yet they can also cling to walls and snipe you from across the map. I think they need a more narrowly defined role and a cleaner design.
Bad show, 343. Don't replace the Covenant in future games until you've figured out how to make enemies that promote creative play. I don't understand why it wasn't obvious during playtesting that Prometheans violate most of the principles of good enemy design. This is the main area where you still have a great deal to learn from Bungie's example. Please, please, please don't mess this up in Halo 5.
With all that said, I was impressed with the Spartan Ops levels themselves. The reused environments were well utilized, which surprised me, and I thought the chapter in the Cauldron was particularly good. I especially liked the scale and variety of the encounters in this week's chapters. Here's hoping the next episodes mix things up even more.
Knights are almost as aggravating as Watchers. They too retreat when they take fire. They either take potshots from a distance or charge you erratically, and there's not much you can do about it. I have a hard time telling how they're armed, which can result in frustrating encounters on higher difficulties.
Crawlers are pretty awful too. They're tough to headshot and they swarm you from all sides like Zerglings, yet they can also cling to walls and snipe you from across the map. I think they need a more narrowly defined role and a cleaner design.
Bad show, 343. Don't replace the Covenant in future games until you've figured out how to make enemies that promote creative play. I don't understand why it wasn't obvious during playtesting that Prometheans violate most of the principles of good enemy design. This is the main area where you still have a great deal to learn from Bungie's example. Please, please, please don't mess this up in Halo 5.
With all that said, I was impressed with the Spartan Ops levels themselves. The reused environments were well utilized, which surprised me, and I thought the chapter in the Cauldron was particularly good. I especially liked the scale and variety of the encounters in this week's chapters. Here's hoping the next episodes mix things up even more.
Nice to see some hologram love. For me, it's the best AA if you know how to use it properly. In fact, it's the only AA I use.
RepairmanJack
Member
Spartan ops on solo Legendary is fucking hard. It's literally just a cycle of deaths as you kill one or two enemies at a time. Not really fun...
Monocle
Member
Also, the spawns are awesome. I love approaching a button, getting blasted from behind, and having to retread half the map just to find out what killed me.
Or respawing in the middle of a 4-5 Elites group. That's fun.
RepairmanJack
Member
Yeah, I did the whole first episode but missed the first mission on Legendary so I went back to do it again. It was probably the hardest one. I ended up spawning everytime up on the hill with a Wraith and two ghosts. I would jump in one and usually splatter an enemy then die and repeat. By time I was done with the three they usually respawned. It ends up being boring and tedius.
It's like they didn't scale the amount of enemies for more players and based it on difficulty alone. I put it down to normal to grab an achievement and when it ended I actually didn't think it was over yet. It was too easy.
Also, respawning inbetween 2 crawlers with binary rifles 3 times in a row.
In Legendary? The game says that Legendary is for Halo ninjas. You should have made those crawlers shoot each other like a ninja. You're not a ninja. A true ninja could've done that.
Most principles? The Prometheans are like a collective violation of everything good and enjoyable. They're like the worst aspects of Halo 2 brutes and general flood combined with flying, teleporting, and extreme agility not suited for analog aiming. Really disappointing.
The Real Napsta
Member
lol you are having trouble aiming at moving targets so you are disappointed? smh
RepairmanJack
Member
Crawlers actually seemed like the hardest thing to deal with in Spartan Ops. That mission where it's just an onslaught of Crawlers and Watchers was frustrating.
Yes, because that's the only thing I wrote in my post, and extreme agility means "moving targets."
"smh"
Monocle
Member
It's not just that they move though. They zip zap all over the place without rhyme or reason. It's dumb and annoying. Elites are agile, but they're not Spider-Man. Brute can do superjumps on demand, but they have a clear trajectory.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
Speaking of loadouts. Can I have more than 1 second to pick mine?
RepairmanJack
Member
When do you mean? Before the match or when you die? Before there seems to be a decent amount of time to pick, but during the match I think it's kind of quick right now because the kill cam isn't working that well. At least for me it hasn't been working, but the kill cam should be there when you die which I think would give you more time to pick.
IOnEI Falcon
Member
Anyone play the new episode yet? Gonna play in an hour or so and its fun to be excited about new content every week! I just hope we get some new locations.
IMHO crawlers are the hardest thing to deal with in the whole game.
knights are few and not very aggressive. 5 of them in one room: kill one, hide behind anything only a couple of meters from the next knight - AFTER he's seen you kill one of his buddies - and not a single fuck will be given.
even on legendary enemy numbers are the only thing really to worry about - the game offers so many powerweapons and semi-auto ammo that for chief's foes quantity >>> quality.
Watchers could be the most annoying, but thankfully don't come in greater numbers - except for that Spartan Ops Chapter... solo legendary was ridiculous.
i'm still staring at letters forming the words "coming soon".
RepairmanJack
Member
I agree with you. Crawlers just seemed extra annoying in SPOPS because there just seemed to be so many.
Knights I actually thought were too easy. They didn't shoot near as much as Crawlers did, and they spent so much time to shoot the grenades they were easy to take out. Whenever they came up I kept a Plasma Pistol as back up and took their shields out. They were kind of a dissapointment. The only time I had trouble with them was the one or two that would rush you in an almost "shadow step" type movie. They didn't do that near enough though.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
I guess it's a credit to Bungie that the most satisfying enemies to play against are Covenant, and a credit to 343 that they included just the relevant Covenant species. Loved the game (I've said that before a few times) but I really didn't enjoy the encounters with Prometheans. Metroid and Halo do not mesh so well. Although they sort of reminded me of the grenadier strogg from Q2.
snoopeasystreet
Member
The Knights just aren't that much fun to fight. They're bullet sponges that don't really do anything interesting other than take a long time to take down. It doesn't make them fierce or challenging, it just takes a long time to kill them.
I'm not sure how you could make fighting them engaging. Maybe if you reduced the number of them by a lot, increased their health my a multiple of what it is now and then have them teleport in and out of battle to become this enemy that's this dangerous presence that appears every so often to thwart the player, sort of like the Big Sisters in Bioshock 2. Currently, they have no real identity. When I fight them I think "I wish I was fighting the covenant" be cause the battles are more spontaneous and interesting.
I'm not sure how you could make fighting them engaging. Maybe if you reduced the number of them by a lot, increased their health my a multiple of what it is now and then have them teleport in and out of battle to become this enemy that's this dangerous presence that appears every so often to thwart the player, sort of like the Big Sisters in Bioshock 2. Currently, they have no real identity. When I fight them I think "I wish I was fighting the covenant" be cause the battles are more spontaneous and interesting.
The Promethean Knights are really fun when you bait them and the phase or run right at you. Blast the Suppressor in their face and finish them off with the Scattershot. But in this lies the problem, they weapons are tailored to finish off specific enemies. Use the Light Rifle to finish Crawlers and Watchers and then get up close and personal with the Scattershot and Suppressor on the Knights. The same strategy works with the UNSC equivalent weapons. Any other strategies result in feeling like you are just useless.
The Covenant can be killed with any weapon, without them feeling like bullet sponges and it’s satisfying to engage them because of it. Which means that you can use the whole sandbox of weapons and you feel like you have more direct control. The Prometheans themselves are fascinating enemies, but they way to engage them is so rigid that you are not having fun because you are forced to use set strategies. If you do use the set strategies though, it feels hugely satisfying to kill them but as principle you should not be forced to do it that way.
The New UNSC weapons do follow the principle though, The Saw, Sticky Detonator and Railgun add depth to the sandbox. Which is all the more suprising that the Promethean weapons don't apply the same logic.
The Covenant can be killed with any weapon, without them feeling like bullet sponges and it’s satisfying to engage them because of it. Which means that you can use the whole sandbox of weapons and you feel like you have more direct control. The Prometheans themselves are fascinating enemies, but they way to engage them is so rigid that you are not having fun because you are forced to use set strategies. If you do use the set strategies though, it feels hugely satisfying to kill them but as principle you should not be forced to do it that way.
The New UNSC weapons do follow the principle though, The Saw, Sticky Detonator and Railgun add depth to the sandbox. Which is all the more suprising that the Promethean weapons don't apply the same logic.
IOnEI Falcon
Member
Dang, your right. Me too...
PeterVenkman
Member
so do we know when the first title update/what it will contain is being dropped? I'm starting to feel like this Halo will not hold a candle to reach/3/2 in terms of online replay and it's probably hinging on including a Classic playlist (and having it stay populated).
After playing for around 25 hours (not huge by any means) completing legendary solo campaign and playing lots of multiplayer I can't help but feel frustrated with the following:
•ordinance is a shoddy replacement for set weapon spawns on map
-------can't be customized so you can, for example, be stuck with a vehicle dominating and all you get is a shield boost, needler and, god forbid,
-------Map knowledge and knowing when weapons respawn is a fun part of combat and is one feature from older arena shooters that I love
•staying in scoped even when hit is a HUGE problem
--------first person who lands a shot at a distance is more likely to win
--------snipers can just stay scoped and two shot you; you have to run instead of firing back to mess up their accuracy
•no red x on the HUD when teammates die
•Flag in CTF cannot be returned by anything but time
•(this one is very subjective) I dislike the flag carrier being able to use a pistol. This doesn't just make the flag a good option at close range - it practically makes it a power weapon. What other one hit melee weapon allows you to SHOOT?
•grenade area of effect area is garbage
•one hit melee kill in swat is unfortunate
••I thought this next one was a plus but it's coming back to bite me in the ass: Join while in progress. What this meant to me early on was that locals could play any playlist (a huge positive coming off of locked lists in reach) and, in theory, a hopeless game where everyone on my team quit could be balanced. What this meant in practice is that I rarely get full matches. So many people quit out during voting that the game always starts unbalanced, which results in more people quitting - the cycle continues. Last night I played for an hour and the only full sessions I got were games I joined in progress. Fuck. That.
••Finally the instant respawn. This is killing me. With the inclusion of Sprint as a base trait (and when paired with small maps and a motion sensor radar), games become a clusterfuck and I find myself playing a minigame of minimizing the red dots on my radar. As an example: In previous games when you made a multi kill in Slayer you knew an important fact - if you saw another opponent you knew your chances of being teamed up on was reduced . But with the instant respawn it all means shit. They could respawn immediately and run right up to finish you off (worst case scenario) or to back up that enemy you just saw. There is no chance to push - enemies are always on screen.
I'm more than anything just bummed that I dropped the money to renew my LIVE subscription because this just isn't holding my interest like previous Halo games could online. These changes are small but they add up to create a game I find less enjoyable. I'm still giving this game time as I know some things may grow on me once they become second nature. But certain features (aka instant respawn, no auto unscope) are hugely detrimental to the gameplay I came to like .
After playing for around 25 hours (not huge by any means) completing legendary solo campaign and playing lots of multiplayer I can't help but feel frustrated with the following:
•ordinance is a shoddy replacement for set weapon spawns on map
-------can't be customized so you can, for example, be stuck with a vehicle dominating and all you get is a shield boost, needler and, god forbid,
pulse grenades
•staying in scoped even when hit is a HUGE problem
--------first person who lands a shot at a distance is more likely to win
--------snipers can just stay scoped and two shot you; you have to run instead of firing back to mess up their accuracy
•no red x on the HUD when teammates die
•Flag in CTF cannot be returned by anything but time
•(this one is very subjective) I dislike the flag carrier being able to use a pistol. This doesn't just make the flag a good option at close range - it practically makes it a power weapon. What other one hit melee weapon allows you to SHOOT?
•grenade area of effect area is garbage
•one hit melee kill in swat is unfortunate
••I thought this next one was a plus but it's coming back to bite me in the ass: Join while in progress. What this meant to me early on was that locals could play any playlist (a huge positive coming off of locked lists in reach) and, in theory, a hopeless game where everyone on my team quit could be balanced. What this meant in practice is that I rarely get full matches. So many people quit out during voting that the game always starts unbalanced, which results in more people quitting - the cycle continues. Last night I played for an hour and the only full sessions I got were games I joined in progress. Fuck. That.
••Finally the instant respawn. This is killing me. With the inclusion of Sprint as a base trait (and when paired with small maps and a motion sensor radar), games become a clusterfuck and I find myself playing a minigame of minimizing the red dots on my radar. As an example: In previous games when you made a multi kill in Slayer you knew an important fact - if you saw another opponent you knew your chances of being teamed up on was reduced . But with the instant respawn it all means shit. They could respawn immediately and run right up to finish you off (worst case scenario) or to back up that enemy you just saw. There is no chance to push - enemies are always on screen.
I'm more than anything just bummed that I dropped the money to renew my LIVE subscription because this just isn't holding my interest like previous Halo games could online. These changes are small but they add up to create a game I find less enjoyable. I'm still giving this game time as I know some things may grow on me once they become second nature. But certain features (aka instant respawn, no auto unscope) are hugely detrimental to the gameplay I came to like .
AltogetherAndrews
Member
I just think the biggest problem for the new enemies is that the old enemies are still in the game. 5 games deep and I'm still not tired of sticking a grunt and see him run in panic into his friends. Elites are the most organic game enemies there are, and the elite actually feels like it's something that's on your level. Not unbeatable, but agile and aggressive. Add pesky Jackals and walking dual tanks and you have a really damned good set of enemies, making for organic combat that has been unique to Halo since CE.
And then they plop Metroid and Ratchet enemies into that, and while that works there... it just doesn't here. Certainly not when they exist in the same hostile world as the covenant. Hell, I though the flood made more sense than this.
lol - If you're playing BTB (or even REGULAR slayer) on Ragnarok, and you're in a position to count every single bullet I fire from my sniper... you're doing it wrong.
What if I only had 8 bullets, but a new sniper spawns just before you pop up to take me at long range? You'll STILL get sniped in the head, but it won't be because I had an extra 4 bullets.
What if I don't have awareness, but my teammate says 'crouching guy right outside your door, left side.' You'll still die, but it won't be because of my loadout.
I suppose this could happen. I haven't seen it yet, but it could happen.
What if you throw a nade at me, but you don't have explosives... but one of your teammates puts a single DMR round into me just as I jump? I'll die, but not because of your loadout.
Yeah... I guess this section shows (once again - I guess I knew this before) that you and I like different Halos.
Yours sounds really boring to me.RepairmanJack
Member
I agree with most everything you say except the flag carrier using a pistol. I think it's great and adds a little bit to the game. Where before the flag carrier was pretty screwed if the team didn't help, now he at least has a chance. The short clip and rapid fire of the pistol makes the damage buff almost unnoticable. The flag carrier usually burns through they clip pretty fast and end up dying anyways.
Aside from me agree with you, I most certainly don't agree with you on the replay value. In under two weeks I already have more play time than I ever did in Reach. Even with it's flaws this is the most fun I've had with Halo MP in a long while.
The more I play the less concerned I am about the "random" weapon drops. They really don't seem random anymore, and will probably be more predictable as time goes on. Look at Ragnorok. Lazer always starts on top hill and snipers in the base. Snipers keep spawning in the base, but lazer switches between about three locations but all close to the middle. The maps seem to go through a cycle of weapon location, I can only see this becoming more predictable as time goes on.
Starting to encounter some strange bugs:
1) On Ragnarok duplicate vehicles spawned. Yup, two of everything. Pretty fun!
2) During the match everyone switched load outs. Very strange.
3) Saved load outs reset frequently.
4) Randomly do not have the ability to sprint.
5) Randomly spawn without primary weapon.
1) On Ragnarok duplicate vehicles spawned. Yup, two of everything. Pretty fun!
2) During the match everyone switched load outs. Very strange.
3) Saved load outs reset frequently.
4) Randomly do not have the ability to sprint.
5) Randomly spawn without primary weapon.
PeterVenkman
Member
I know people will love the flag carrier option, which is why i figured it would be so subjective. My lack of replayablility may also be stemming in part from my friends slowly picking this game up. But the weapons randomly dropping is not helping the cause for me. Yes, like you say, starting weapon drops are set. But the random drops during gameplay is a change that I dislike after playing it so much. I enjoyed the tension of realizing during a close match that I hadn't checked the rocket spawn in awhile, only to then get slapped by a rocket in the face. Now I think to check weapon spawn only to be greeted by a grenade drop.
In addition since it's pretty much only power weapons dropping I find myself using my starter weapon all the time. It's inevitable that I'll use my precision weapon of choice over pretty much anything else. This just sucks the variety out of the game for me - running around and picking up an SMG or a Plasma Rifle was fun for me as I enjoyed mixing up my approaches to throw off an attacker. Now this is strictly limited to loadouts.
Ragnarok has actually been holding up pretty well for me - on game types without instant respawn things almost feel right again. But with my previous concerns I just can't shake the feeling that this won't hold my interest.
what are your feelings on the join in progress feature? has it helped/hurt your experience?
yep. I have the feeling there is always a new mantis seconds after destroying the old one.