Halo 5 Guardians: #huntthetruth

Halo has always been fairly heavy on the references and symbolism, but literary allusions have really become the hot thing in pop culture since Ozymandias was used as the name for an episode of Breaking Bad. The Chief/Locke trailers with the statue and the destruction definitely bear a resemblance to that poem. Then in this episode of HtT we have the term "break bad" popping up. Now you're telling me that Petrosky is the name of a poet, who wikipedia says
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FERO leader of an intergalactic drug cartel confirmed.
 
Halo has always been fairly heavy on the references and symbolism, but literary allusions have really become the hot thing in pop culture since Ozymandias was used as the name for an episode of Breaking Bad. The Chief/Locke trailers with the statue and the destruction definitely bear a resemblance to that poem. Then in this episode of HtT we have the term "break bad" popping up. Now you're telling me that Petrosky is the name of a poet, who wikipedia says

FERO leader of an intergalactic drug cartel confirmed.

Halo ODST being Dante's inferno halo has been crazy with the allusions and references.
 
Why did you guys have to mention that Key does Ben's voice? Now the picture I once had in my head is replaced by this

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Why did you guys have to mention that Key does Ben's voice? Now the picture I once had in my head is replaced by this

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That makes it more impressive for me. I've known him since Mad TV and now in Key and Peele, but the level of seriousness he can pull off in this, and the emotion he can put in, seriously impressive from what I thought of as a pure comedy actor.

I hope he does some more serious VA in the future, he's really good!
 
That makes it more impressive for me. I've known him since Mad TV and now in Key and Peele, but the level of seriousness he can pull off in this, and the emotion he can put in, seriously impressive from what I thought of as a pure comedy actor.

I hope he does some more serious VA in the future, he's really good!

I agree with you that the quality of his voice acting in this drama is made more impressive given his comedic background, but now I'm half-expecting him to break out into a Coach Hines routine =]

This week's episode was terrific. I'm looking forward to these more than Game of Thrones or weekly manga chapters.
 
I agree with you that the quality of his voice acting in this drama is made more impressive given his comedic background, but now I'm half-expecting him to break out into a Coach Hines routine =]

This week's episode was terrific. I'm looking forward to these more than Game of Thrones or weekly manga chapters.

Said the same earlier today, and meant every word of it.
 
Just finished the episode. Holy shit was that chilling. These are honestly some of the best audio dramas I have ever heard, even better than some of the ones I have paid for. Out of all the stuff I watch on Sunday; RedVsBlue, Game of Thrones, Anime, this is honestly what I look forward to the most every week. I honestly feel like I should be paying to listen to these. 343i better find some way to make more after Hunt the Truth is done.
 
Just finished the episode. Holy shit was that chilling. These are honestly some of the best audio dramas I have ever heard, even better than some of the ones I have paid for. I honestly feel like I should be paying to listen to these. 343i better find some way to make more after Hunt the Truth is done.

Consider for a moment if anywhere near this kind of quality somehow finds its way into the Spielberg Halo television series, and it manages to be as consistently strong as these have been.
 
Consider for a moment if anywhere near this kind of quality somehow finds its way into the Spielberg Halo television series, and it manages to be as consistently strong as these have been.

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Halo has always been fairly heavy on the references and symbolism, but literary allusions have really become the hot thing in pop culture since Ozymandias was used as the name for an episode of Breaking Bad.

Um, Lost would like a word with you. The literary/philosopher allusions were its bread and butter. And way WAY before Breaking Bad. Ryn has my back.
 
Like others, I've begun to look forward to #HuntTheTruth on Sundays more than anything else. I haven't been this riveted by something in a long time, but I guess it doesn't hurt that I adore Halo's lore. Also, anyone interested in playing some Master Chief Collection sometime? Inbox me your Gamertag, cause I want to get back into Halo multiplayer!
 
Halo ODST being Dante's inferno halo has been crazy with the allusions and references.
Definitely a good (read: actual) example. Always found it funny that ODST did the themes of the Divine Comedy more faithfully and with more nuance than the Dante's Inferno game (the existence of which will never not be somewhat bizarre to me).

Um, Lost would like a word with you. The literary/philosopher allusions were its bread and butter. And way WAY before Breaking Bad. Ryn has my back.
That was mostly a set-up for the multiple (potential) Breaking Bad references I noticed, not serious commentary.
 
I've played all of the mainline Halo games, though have not really delved into the wider lore in the Halo' creative universe. Will I be able to follow and enjoy these despite this?
 
We don't really know whether Ben's bomb went through after the feed cutting off, it was FERO's show and there is no 3rd man to confirm that, it could still be an ONI setup.
 
I think it's fairly clear now that the setting for H5 is going to include
a civil war between humans.

If so, I think Chief will be on the side of the Rebellion and that Locke has been sent to take down the Chief who is their symbolic leader. Think Katniss from the Hunger Games.
 
We don't really know whether Ben's bomb went through after the feed cutting off, it was FERO's show and there is no 3rd man to confirm that, it could still be an ONI setup.
At this point, I'd say there are probably ulturior motives at play, but ONI isn't running this show. Between whathisname's messages to Giraux and the shutdown of communications this feels like a legit shock to them.

Either FERO is pushing for civil war, (which H5's baddies will take advantage of), or she's a hostile AI.
 
At this point, I'd say there are probably ulturior motives at play, but ONI isn't running this show. Between whathisname's messages to Giraux and the shutdown of communications this feels like a legit shock to them.

Either FERO is pushing for civil war, (which H5's baddies will take advantage of), or she's a hostile AI.

Or both, and the Assembly is making a comeback.
 
I finally blitzed through the episodes today and they're absolutely brilliant, exhilarating and tense pieces of work. Well done 343!

As a fan of the the Kilo-5 books and the way Traviss portrayed Halsey, these episodes have really expanded on the angle she played and hopefully has opened the eyes of her detractors. I haven't read through this thread, but surely nobody can still complain about Halsey being viewed as a monster after listening to some of these episodes?
 
I finally blitzed through the episodes today and they're absolutely brilliant, exhilarating and tense pieces of work. Well done 343!

As a fan of the the Kilo-5 books and the way Traviss portrayed Halsey, these episodes have really expanded on the angle she played and hopefully has opened the eyes of her detractors. I haven't read through this thread, but surely nobody can still complain about Halsey being viewed as a monster after listening to some of these episodes?

The problem with Traviss' depiction of Halsey isn't that Halsey isn't a monster and Traviss says she is; make no mistake, the shit Halsey got up to is horrific, and there's nothing wrong with calling that out. The problem is twofold: 1) Halsey isn't just a monster, and 2) every character was basically in lockstep in their opinion and condemnation of her. It makes them feel like mouthpieces rather than people.
 
The problem with Traviss' depiction of Halsey isn't that Halsey isn't a monster and Traviss says she is; make no mistake, the shit Halsey got up to is horrific, and there's nothing wrong with calling that out. The problem is twofold: 1) Halsey isn't just a monster, and 2) every character was basically in lockstep in their opinion and condemnation of her. It makes them feel like mouthpieces rather than people.

My problem with that is that it's the Characters within the book calling her a monster - characters don't have perfect point of views. It could show how many people are taking the ONI spin on it for instance, rather than deliberately trying to crap on Halsey.

In fact I feel pretty sure of that, since they even went down that route in Escalation. Everyone hated Halsey, but they gave her a moment to confuse Palmer by saying she obviously couldn't have done what she did without ONI backing. I think she's going to go on a redemption arc and help take down ONI.

Anyone notice she had better reaction times than a SIV there? Halsey tested the SII drugs on herself first, confirmed :P
 
My problem with that is that it's the Characters within the book calling her a monster - characters don't have perfect point of views. It could show how many people are taking the ONI spin on it for instance, rather than deliberately trying to crap on Halsey.

In fact I feel pretty sure of that, since they even went down that route in Escalation. Everyone hated Halsey, but they gave her a moment to confuse Palmer by saying she obviously couldn't have done what she did without ONI backing. I think she's going to go on a redemption arc and help take down ONI.

Right, yes, but that happened in escalation. Not Kilo-Five. And it's partly because they're (supposedly) characters that the unity of opinion is so grating. I can't even order pizza without an argument breaking out, you expect me to believe that every single person Halsey comes across buys 100% into the ONI version of things? C'mon, son.

Plus, that doesn't address the "Halsey isn't just a monster" bit, which while prevalent in other post-Nylund/H3 works, does not show up in the Kilo 5 books, where she's pretty much Mengele with boobs and not much else.
 
So it sounds like
whatever M'Shak wanted to say, FERO didn't want Ben to know. She's the one who cut him off the first time and I bet that's why he didn't want to try again over comms. I'm still trying to make out the last thing he said before he was cut off, but it starts with "There's a false____________that I need to talk to you about".
 
Right, yes, but that happened in escalation. Not Kilo-Five. And it's partly because they're (supposedly) characters that the unity of opinion is so grating. I can't even order pizza without an argument breaking out, you expect me to believe that every single person Halsey comes across buys 100% into the ONI version of things? C'mon, son.

Plus, that doesn't address the "Halsey isn't just a monster" bit, which while prevalent in other post-Nylund/H3 works, does not show up in the Kilo 5 books, where she's pretty much Mengele with boobs and not much else.

Right, but do you think these things are written by the seat of the pants? 343 Industries gives all these authors places to go. I think the idea was to poop on her in Kilo 5, to set up a redemption later on.
 
Right, but do you think these things are written by the seat of the pants? 343 Industries gives all these authors places to go. I think the idea was to poop on her in Kilo 5, to set up a redemption later on.

I'd buy that, but Kilo 5 fits into the existing Traviss Effect pattern too well for me to believe it was editorially mandated. I think that they did want to move away from Nylund's depiction of her, but not that they wanted to go as far as Traviss ended up going.
 
So it sounds like
whatever M'Shak wanted to say, FERO didn't want Ben to know. She's the one who cut him off the first time and I bet that's why he didn't want to try again over comms. I'm still trying to make out the last thing he said before he was cut off, but it starts with "There's a false____________that I need to talk to you about".

I'm wondering if he figured out who FERO is.
 
I'd buy that, but Kilo 5 fits into the existing Traviss Effect pattern too well for me to believe it was editorially mandated. I think that they did want to move away from Nylund's depiction of her, but not that they wanted to go as far as Traviss ended up going.
Travis's makes the characters she writes a mouthpiece for HER viewpoint on the characters she writes.

The k5 books were not well received.
 
That makes it more impressive for me. I've known him since Mad TV and now in Key and Peele, but the level of seriousness he can pull off in this, and the emotion he can put in, seriously impressive from what I thought of as a pure comedy actor.

I hope he does some more serious VA in the future, he's really good!

Well, it has been said that comedians can be some of the best dramatic actors. I patiently await these Hunt The Truth episodes every week. Much better then Halo Nightfall, if only they had put the kind of effort in that they do with these weekly episodes it could have been something special (not downplaying Nightfall, just a bit disappointed in it as a whole, but that is a bit OT).
 
Exactly. She did it with the Jedi in Star Wars, she did it with COG in the Gears book, and she did it with Halsey.

Was she responsible for the Locusts becoming a 100 year old race birthed by the Sires? That made no fucking sense, no way they could be what they were in 100 years with any amount of breeding.

The COGs not being angels I'm fine with. The 100 year old Locust species completely fucked with my head-canon.
 
yet another reason to look down upon the way 343 is handling the core story of halo.

I think the biggest problem I have with the story in Glasslands, is Parangosky's hypocrisy . She's says Halsey is a monster for the things she did, but she was the leader of ONI at that time. She gave the the green light and should have known everything concerning the Spartan II program.

I get why the other characters hate Halsey. She created the program and everything, which is obviously a despicable thing. I think Hunt the Truth really drives this point home. Halsey just ins't the only one at blame here, and certainly isn't the worst of the people involved.
 
I think the biggest problem I have with the story in Glasslands, is Parangosky's hypocrisy . She's says Halsey is a monster for the things she did, but she was the leader of ONI at that time. She gave the the green light and should have known everything concerning the Spartan II program.

I get why the other characters hate Halsey. She created the program and everything, which is obviously a despicable thing. I think Hunt the Truth really drives this point home. Halsey just ins't the only one at blame here, and certainly isn't the worst of the people involved.

Parangosky also gave the order to go ahead with the SIII program, arguably a worse program than the SII, given they were basically bred for suicide missions.
 
yet another reason to look down upon the way 343 is handling the core story of halo.

Totall.. wait, what?

I loved Halo 1-3 + ODST (Reach.. ehhh), and the books, and everything. It was good. But by the end of Halo 3 the main "Man vs Aliens" story line had run its course for the most part. I have been absolutely thrilled with what 343i has been able to do since then, and they show no signs of letting up. The attention to the fiction & lore side has been amazing (especially compared to the Bungie days).

I suppose I should ask though, what does the "core story of halo" mean to you? As it likely is different for every fan (to some degree).

I think the biggest problem I have with the story in Glasslands, is Parangosky's hypocrisy . She's says Halsey is a monster for the things she did, but she was the leader of ONI at that time. She gave the the green light and should have known everything concerning the Spartan II program.

I get why the other characters hate Halsey. She created the program and everything, which is obviously a despicable thing. I think Hunt the Truth really drives this point home. Halsey just ins't the only one at blame here, and certainly isn't the worst of the people involved.

But naturally Parangonsky isn't going to hate herself, and even if she DID have her own demons about the whole thing (unlikely), I'd see that as MORE of a reason to shovel blame onto Halsey.

All the great bad things have faces attached to them, that doesn't mean they're the only ones in the wrong, but for better or worse that's how we seem to process things.

I was a #TeamHalsey kind of person for the longest time, but the K5 trilogy didn't bother me. I could tell it was coming from characters on the other side of the equation. I do feel (as a reader) that they could have given more consideration into the fact that the SII's helped save humanity, etc, but that's they're living in a post-Covenant War universe, where they now have the luxury to look back at things and judge them.

The HTT episodes dealing with the kidnappings etc have also really shown a light on the whole process, making it far more real and terrible. Though that, and Staffan in K5 there has been a lot more time and lore devoted to the other side of the equation. So what, Master Chief, Spartan John-117 saved the human race, at what cost? What cost was he created/molded/etc? From a fixed, logical point of view, I suppose the cost was 1 human (cloned) life. From an abstract view? The whole project likely cast a dim light on all of humanity to certain people.

I've enjoyed that the fiction post-Halo 3 hasn't been all about naval battles and evil Covenant baddies (though I am happy to see them still a part of it all). 50+ years of galactic war has bound to produce some consequences, and I am enjoying seeing those played out.
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Really we don't have enough concrete info to answer that, and probably wont until the E3 reveal I bet. They could even keep the mystery going until the release of the game if they feel so inclined.

The story is really interesting. I'm afraid about the execution in the game.
 
Can you guys imagine for a moment if they give us that Chief peace conference infiltration as the first ever campaign footage, and it ends up looking as chaotic and intense in game as it sounded through the huntthetruth episode? :)
 
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