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Halo:CE Anniversary Announced (MS Conf, Nov 15th 2011, $40)
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Zeouterlimits
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*nods* Not that I don't think there's room for contextual understanding. I just believe consumer and fan respect is more important than that.Zabka said:
I think the point is this remake has been anticipated for years. People have wanted C.E. MP & Live since Halo 2.
It's a hokey comparison but I said before "If I planned on buying a replica of the Mona Lisa I'd be upset/shit on it if the smile was wrong/missing."
It's a lose lose situation either way. *shrugs* As long as Frankie and co are honest I'll be open to the idea.
The differences in the regional price drops make me unhappy, but I do wonder how much 343 can publicly say about that.
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That's why I'm buying itTashi0106 said:Can I buy it for both reasons?
I was speculating more toward the inclusion of multi being missed resulting in a loss of sales. Most will likely discard the remake and will just get mom and dad to fork out for the maps. The rest of us will soak in the rays of the glorious campaign, playing co-op over Live and w00ting at the sky. =p
Congratulations to you for picking the "correct" Halo to like. You lucked out! I was just hoping a Halo: CE remake would be, you know, Halo: CE. My own faultTashi0106 said:
This is quite a landslide victory for the people who already day one all the Reach map packs, I guess.
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OuterWorldVoice said:
I just want you to know, you're my favourite Franchise Development Director in the (known) world.
Now spill!
Wait until they detail the tweaks to the Classic playlist before being disappointed. I wouldn't be surprised if they captured as much of the CE feel as possible with updates to the base gameplay. 343 reps here on GAF have said all the right things about their support for Reach going forward, just extend a little more faith.thatbox said:Congratulations to you for picking the "correct" Halo to like. You lucked out! I was just hoping a Halo: CE remake would be, you know, Halo: CE. My own fault
This is quite a landslide victory for the people who already day one all the Reach map packs, I guess.
You really don't know the answer to that? After this many pages and replies?JdFoX187 said:
It's compromised because there's a ton of content from the original multiplayer missing. Beyond that it's questionable whether the engine behind it is capable of reproducing something like the original Halo CE.....or whether 343 even wants those qualities reproduced. Just from Frankie's comments on Waypoint you can see they aren't really fond of the original pistol, so regardless of whether or not Reach can do that I am uncertain if they even will.
It's unclear to what extent they can or will add CE rules to Reach's engine, but after the shocker announcement and subsequent silence I don't think it's unfair to be a little skeptical.
Perfect Dark is poor, out-dated and antiquated in dozens of ways that Halo CE isn't, nor does the franchise have anywhere near the following of Halo. For that game it really was a case of nostalgia goggles -- a game design that couldn't hold up today beyond its original novelty. If it had shoddy multiplayer then that was the nail in the coffin, but I don't think that was the thing that killed it. Halo CE has endured time much better, so I don't think the comparison works all that well.
thatbox said:Congratulations to you for picking the "correct" Halo to like. You lucked out! I was just hoping a Halo: CE remake would be, you know, Halo: CE. My own fault
This is quite a landslide victory for the people who already day one all the Reach map packs, I guess.
No I completely understand that point of view. There are a lot of old school Halo players that just didn't like 2, 3 and Reach. It sucks that this one glimmer of hope to play Halo CE online in the 10 year anniversary remake has been crushed. But hey, that's the way it is sometimes. :/
Zeouterlimits
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Wait and see doesn't make for great debates in the mean time, but you're right in that people shouldn't assume the worst is true.Havok said:
HOWEVER, to say that they'll be able to change individual playlists to the extent it would take to closer replicate Halo C.E. MP is a tad unbelieve right now. Guessing (yes, just surmising from the little we know) that it'd require a large amount of refactoring to make a lot of that possible, which I honestly doubt will happen due to the resource investment required (which is one of the reasons we're not getting C.E. MP on Live).
I'd be happy to be wrong about this, but I don't believe I am.
Actually Frankie, could you breakdown the amount of people on Anniversary (from 343 and Saber seperately please) and the amount of people on H4? I realise that's likely considered prying/internal data only, but I really just ask because I'm interested from an understanding perspective.
He probably is, which makes me far more excited for that game. He needs to make another console MP shooter though, he's the best at it. Too bad no one bought Shadowrun or he would probably be making another great shooter right now. Hopefully Prototype 2 is awesome and does well, he is definitely my favorite developer, the main reason why two of my favorite games are so amazing.Syracuse022 said:
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Just realized something: will the beginning of PoA look exactly like
Reach's remastering of the scene?
border said:
This is an oft-repeated misconception. I LOVED the Halo CE pistol. Between that, Rockets and Snipes, I basically didn't use anything else. Does it change the balance of the game dramatically? Of course it does. If it didn't, nobody would care about it.
No, they're demonstrably unwilling to make most of the key changes necessary. Every new Halo they try a new melee system to attempt to "hide" latency, and so far Reach's is the furthest away from the original's. They've said a million times they hate the Halo: CE pistol. I don't see any framework in place for a Halo: CE style health system. All of these are core CE tenets that they've consistently either moved away from or straight out said they won't implement, and I doubt they're even easily doable anyway.Zeouterlimits said:
I don't even pay attention to this stuff anymore, but what's Reach's FOV? CE was 90, Halo 2's was something asinine like 60.
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Well I assume no.Zee-V70 said:
It'll be as it was in C.E. from that different angle and shots, with Reach quality assets.
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They as in Bungie? Perhaps.thatbox said:
Reach's FOV = 78 iirc.
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Zee-V70 said:
It'll look like the Halo 4 teaser, but I hope you're right.
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urk said:
Damn right.It's half two, I should sleep. On my desk in the morning Stinkles.
OuterWorldVoice said:
Speaking of pistols, in the video released last week about the anniversary addition you say "3 shots to the head from anywhere on the map will kill anything". Are you referring to Halo 1 mp or the campaign? because right after it shows a three shot kill and that NEVER happens at all in the original single player.
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My original Halo disc was played so much that the sticker got worn down to the point where it stopped working.thatbox said:Your avatar reminds me of how pissed I was that my copy of CE, which I bought an Xbox for, got exchanged with somebody's GotY version at a LAN at some point
I guess I missed this.....not sure how promising it is:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-halo-anniversary/715783
2:22 minutes into the video
"We're going to have seven classic multiplayer maps....we've been approaching it philosophically the same way we've been in campaign. Take a classic space that people know and love and just make it look spectacular. What we're doing a little bit different on the multiplayer side is we're running that on the Reach Engine. So that's gonna give us a few options.....what it lets us do is play these old maps with some of the Reach-style gameplay. For example, you can fly around Damnation on a jetpack, things like that. Um, it does make some changes to it so what we're also going to do is let you play those classic maps without those new additions. So it's exactly as you remembered from the first time."
I guess it's still kinda vague, but it's nice to see him being a little more emphatic about multiplayer than 343 has been in other places ("it's exactly as you remembered"). Oh what I wouldn't have given to be on the other side of that microphone and ask for a little more specificity
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-halo-anniversary/715783
2:22 minutes into the video
"We're going to have seven classic multiplayer maps....we've been approaching it philosophically the same way we've been in campaign. Take a classic space that people know and love and just make it look spectacular. What we're doing a little bit different on the multiplayer side is we're running that on the Reach Engine. So that's gonna give us a few options.....what it lets us do is play these old maps with some of the Reach-style gameplay. For example, you can fly around Damnation on a jetpack, things like that. Um, it does make some changes to it so what we're also going to do is let you play those classic maps without those new additions. So it's exactly as you remembered from the first time."
I guess it's still kinda vague, but it's nice to see him being a little more emphatic about multiplayer than 343 has been in other places ("it's exactly as you remembered"). Oh what I wouldn't have given to be on the other side of that microphone and ask for a little more specificity
I didn't and don't work on the games. Disaster averted.Izayoi said:
I just remember a big brew up over Gearbox "changing" the FOV for the PC version. Pretty sure at the time they claimed CE was native 70.
And bam: http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?p=29932
He was talking about the Reach-style Classic playlist guys, new additions is stuff like armor lock, the feel of running underwater, choosing loadouts at spawn, jetpacks, etc. Crosshair bloom won't be removed and they won't be balancing rate of fire and weapon damage, stop setting yourselves up for more disappointment.
edit- Dammit, quoted already and I wasn't done editing the paragraph!!
Unrelated, aimed in general at some of the posts in the past 6 pages:
(ok, special mention to that one dude who wanted Halo 4 delayed.. wtf brah?)
edit- Dammit, quoted already and I wasn't done editing the paragraph!!
Unrelated, aimed in general at some of the posts in the past 6 pages:
(ok, special mention to that one dude who wanted Halo 4 delayed.. wtf brah?)
Aussies can now pre-order Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary for the low, low price of $108 at EB Games :lol
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They did a pretty good job of explaining on the Sparkcast why Halo:CE isn't coming with multiplayer.
Not only would it potentially take population away from Reach, but even if 343 had tried their damnedest to recreate Halo:CE perfectly, it wouldn't have been how we remembered it.
But then, I've enjoyed the multiplayer in every Halo game more than the last. So I'm loving that Reach is getting 'new' maps.
My worry is that 'faithfully' remaking maps from an old Halo sandbox in a new Halo sandbox rarely works out well.
Tombstone felt off. Blackout was universally panned. Etc.
The best 'remakes' are usually re-imaginings that take the spirit and general layout of the old map, but update it to work with the new weapon range/damage/usage stats.
Not only would it potentially take population away from Reach, but even if 343 had tried their damnedest to recreate Halo:CE perfectly, it wouldn't have been how we remembered it.
But then, I've enjoyed the multiplayer in every Halo game more than the last. So I'm loving that Reach is getting 'new' maps.
My worry is that 'faithfully' remaking maps from an old Halo sandbox in a new Halo sandbox rarely works out well.
Tombstone felt off. Blackout was universally panned. Etc.
The best 'remakes' are usually re-imaginings that take the spirit and general layout of the old map, but update it to work with the new weapon range/damage/usage stats.
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border said:
You jump much much higher in 2 and 3 than you do in CE.
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Heeeere we go.
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GhaleonEB said:
Agreed, I wouldn't mind minor tweaks like those. Assassinations are another thing that would be nice. Sure, if the reach animations were used it may look a little out of place, but in theory, it would be nice. Im sure it also has something to do with time and resources.. But if not, maybe there is still hope.
That said, even with some minor let downs, I am very hyped for this game.