That's interesting. So the result was basically something they didn't intend. I find the logic of not having a suitable and effective starting weapon at spawn so backwards. The power weapons are valuable enough to fight over and control, but nearly impossible to obtain without the means to get them (ie, a BR or CE Pistol start). Its the essence of what made CE so balanced in the first place and immediately accessible, without knowing weapon drop times and locations.
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That's interesting. So the result was basically something they didn't intend. I find the logic of not having a suitable and effective starting weapon at spawn so backwards. The power weapons are valuable enough to fight over and control, but nearly impossible to obtain without the means to get them (ie, a BR or CE Pistol start). Its the essence of what made CE so balanced in the first place and immediately accessible, without knowing weapon drop times and locations.
Fahzgoolin
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This right there is what I am most excited about from the Halo 5 footage. The AR seems pretty powerful (perhaps too much) and the magnum is a powerful secondary.
If Halo 5 has good starting weapons I can forgive some silly additions (like smart scope). I forgot how infuriating Halo is without proper settings.
I know people are quick to rag on Reach, but I think it had an excellent balanced sandbox of weapons as well. It straight had the best pistol in the series behind CE's M6D, grenades were for the most part balanced in terms of AoE and throw distance, and some of the weapons were simply damn fun to use (Plasma Launcher, Needle Rifle, Focus Rifle, Grenade Launcher aka Pro Pipe)
TU Reach without reticle bloom and Armor Lock is acutally pretty damn fun.
If you think non-balance design, the logic behind the BR's design in Halo 3 was so the AR was the main weapon of focus and thus the game becomes super accessible to casuals. In otherwords, it becomes a very accessible pick up and play shooter.
They didn't want the game to be competitive out of the box, nor did they want the BR to be the default starting weapon. Over time though, the general population of Halo 3 saw through the bs, which is why we got the BR start games in the veto rotation.
In all honesty, if they just made the utility weapon the starting weapon of the game by default...casuals would eventually learn and get the hang of it.
Slightly Live
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Brown-nosing lick-spittle. Any self respecting adult should be ashamed of themselves for acting like him.
ElzarTheBam
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Had a game for the first time in a while.
Scrubs, scrubs everywhere.
Scrubs, scrubs everywhere.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Yes. This is emphatically true.
I believe the mentality of the game designers have ruined Halo for the most part over the years. I understand that from a business perspective that attracting casuals makes more money. And that's exactly the problem. The art and design of good games is thrown out the window because they are worried about their game scaring off people who don't care enough about it to get good in the first place.
Just another sad case of lazy, flippant, and unskilled people ruining a good thing for the rest of us.
I love, love, love SWAT.
BR SWAT is too easy though. I think it should always be limited to single shot weapons.
TriStateTryHard
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Yup. And to clarify, semi automatic weapons with a fairly slow rate of fire. Spamming carbine shots every tenth of a second is not ideal either in SWAT.
Exactly. Casuals become good at a weapon through repetition and extended use, which comes through starting with said weapon. They aren't camping weapon spawns for a rocket or sword; most of their play time is with that starting piece. So inherently they'd become better with it through this, as you said.
This is all as obvious to a developer as it is to us so you would think options would be given instead of prying like we did with Halo 3 BR starts.
Munch Poke
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Totally disagree. I understand why everyone has issues with perks and some of the armor abilities but thruster felt like it belonged in Halo. And had they had a good social/rank split like everyone has always asked for I think a lot of the zany antics would have been more accepted. If everyone has their ranked Legendary settings (with thruster for everyone) for 4v4 and big team right when the game came out alot more players would have been satisfied. All the weird survivor perks and such could have easily been in social settings.
Well now we have HCE on Xbox Live...something I wouldn't have dreamed would ever happen. And there's always Quake Live for that true arena FPS experience
That's why I love Blizzard's approach to game design, specifically with Starcraft II. The game you play is the same damn game everyone plays, regardless of skill level, am or pro. You're all starting with the same settings, same mode, maps, etc.
I wish Halo would do that, but it starts with having a proper utility weapon.
This was covered briefly yesterday...
aka Halo CE lol
Poker Face
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lmao, you guys can shit on destiny all you want but the vault of glass and crota's end are both fun as hell
Hurr hurr!!! Cheers to you good Sir!!
My fav quote recently: "There's one camp that doesn't think sprint belongs in Halo, so how do we balance that?"
We're already screwed.So I recently found out that one of my good friends killed herself this past Monday...
If anyone on here is ever having issues with anything; life gets hard, you go through a break up, etc, I want you to come talk to me. things get so much better. I've been down before and I know things get hard but seriously, life goes on.
If you have a hard time talking to someone you know about it, please call a suicide lifeline. the US line is 1 (800) 273-8255.
Thanks for reading, carry on with Halo.
If anyone on here is ever having issues with anything; life gets hard, you go through a break up, etc, I want you to come talk to me. things get so much better. I've been down before and I know things get hard but seriously, life goes on.
If you have a hard time talking to someone you know about it, please call a suicide lifeline. the US line is 1 (800) 273-8255.
Thanks for reading, carry on with Halo.
buddha0991
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Pretty sure this was already known, because I know for sure that I read/heard it somewhere but for those that don't know Halo 5 beta will include early spectator mode.
Poodlestrike
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TriStateTryHard
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Any update on when those dedicated servers are getting turned on?
I wonder how this is going to work. Are we going to be able to choose a random person on our friends list and watch them? Is there going to be a server browser so we can choose any game we want to watch?
Welfare
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Oh yeah, things will come from this beta, just things that would've come from a beta closer to launch. Weapon balance, SA balance, general glitches and feedback on ranks.
343 will never offer a NS gametype, and we will have absolutely no idea if the rest of Matchmaking will have equal starts. There is a reason why 343 are only showing us "Arena" gameplay.
343's been quiet. i hope its because they're working hard and another patch is on the way.
i'm seriously trying to stay optimistic. it feels like the game is on the brink of being fixed.
There was a podcast who talked with Josh Holmes a while ago and he said you can go to watch whoever is on your friend's list.
edit: This one.
I still think you're being unfair to 343 here. They're releasing a beta almost a year before the game launches. Almost no AAA devs ever do that. They've listened to the feedback on 4, why are you assuming they won't with the beta?
On another point. Would it be so bad if other aspects of the game didn't have equal starts? The classic arena style game modes are where equal starts really matter. And they've given us that.
Munch Poke
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Welfare
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I have not seen anywhere that tells me 343 are willing to change aspects of their game incase fans don't like it. If pros are coming and saying 343 are already adamant on keeping things the same before this beta is out, that speaks volumes to me that they will treat as just a "regular" beta that all other AAA developers use.
Sure, they will change the balance of the sandbox and fix obvious glitches, but that's it. 343 have yet to say otherwise.
I would rather have my experience be relatively the same across the game. Equal starts and all.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Buy a new copy of Tekken Tag 2, online pass rejected. Retailer won't exchange.
Thanks 343!
Thanks 343!
http://www.twitch.tv/unknownixi/c/5652657
FUNKNOWN didn't self promote link his gameplay so I will do it for him. Great game on Halo CE Hang Em High. Cycling powerups and powerweapons the whole game, good plays all game, and really clutch at the end.
FUNKNOWN didn't self promote link his gameplay so I will do it for him. Great game on Halo CE Hang Em High. Cycling powerups and powerweapons the whole game, good plays all game, and really clutch at the end.
RowdyReverb
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I wish all the players pooping on me in H2A would play each other instead of me. I have yet to win a match in H2A. It's kind of sad. My rank is still 2 somehow
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Why do I know this name? I feel like we used to be friends somewhere or at least used to communicate..
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hahah thanks man, I've been saving a ton of clips and trying to be conscious of saving vids from now on for the reason of helping people. My friends have been asking what the secret is to only dying in the single digits but consistently placing high stats, so I decided to record that.
Game's all about control, whether it's the power weapons, Power-ups, spawns or positioning to cover all angles. Thinking about your moves and not letting frustrations consume you, etc. etc., like being conscious of where the enemies might be depending on where your teammates are (if they're in combat, etc.) and having your back safe from potential fire. So much fun once you let the frustrations go and start thinking about your gameplay more.
At around 2:22 you can hear me tell my friend how chasing kills in poor positions keeps us spawning in poor positions, how it's more important to lock positions down and keep moving around to maintain control of the map.
We really need a regular play time for those who don't live in the US.
Tell me a day and time and i'll make one.
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