lol what the fuck did I wake up to
Are we expecting any new stuff out of Gamescom?
also re: split-screen: the quickening: it's times like these that make me glad Smash Bros. is the only real multiplayer game i ever play locally
I was going to stay completely out of all this since everything I say gets dismissed as "salt," etc. but I'm gonna chime in once.
Is it really fair to refer to people being upset with Dan Ayoub as "witch hunting?" I mean, when you have someone promoting a game and repeatedly issuing statements which wind up being misleading or flat-out untrue, then disappearing literally days after it's revealed what a disaster the product is, only to surface months later when things die down and pretend like nothing happened so they can hype their new product.
It's pretty reasonable for people to be upset with someone who misled them into purchasing a knowingly-broken product and then dodging any sort of real accountability. Instead you've got Tashi stuck on the front lines trying to quell the storms of rightfully upset people. That's pretty shameful behavior.
The MCC was an endeavor carried out by hundreds of people from multiple companies. Trying to attack a single guy with laser-focus - whose job it is to serve as a mouthpiece for a first-party company within one of the largest companies on Earth, mind you - isn't going to accomplish anything. It's no better than all of that shit that gets pulled with Anita Sarkeesian or Zoe Quinn.
I was going to stay completely out of all this since everything I say gets dismissed as "salt," etc. but I'm gonna chime in once.
Is it really fair to refer to people being upset with Dan Ayoub as "witch hunting?" I mean, when you have someone promoting a game and repeatedly issuing statements which wind up being misleading or flat-out untrue, then disappearing literally days after it's revealed what a disaster the product is, only to surface months later when things die down and pretend like nothing happened so they can hype their new product.
It's pretty reasonable for people to be upset with someone who misled them into purchasing a knowingly-broken product and then dodging any sort of real accountability. Instead you've got Tashi stuck on the front lines trying to quell the storms of rightfully upset people. That's pretty shameful behavior.
Also smh at the "remember how good reach was!" and "Halo 4 is better than Halo 3"
You have all lost your goddamn minds.
Halo 3 just feels like mud compared to any other halo. I think people don't put in the time to get used to it anymore.Also smh at the "remember how good reach was!" and "Halo 4 is better than Halo 3"
You have all lost your goddamn minds.
We're just at that point in the cycle. We should be used to it by now
surprises and tears
The MCC was an endeavor carried out by hundreds of people from multiple companies. Trying to attack a single guy with laser-focus - whose job it is to serve as a mouthpiece for a first-party company within one of the largest companies on Earth, mind you - isn't going to accomplish anything. It's no better than all of that shit that gets pulled with Anita Sarkeesian or Zoe Quinn.
Pretty much this. It's seriously unlikely that any one person can fairly be made to carry the blame for the whole thing, and if there was, it's unlikely to be Dan. He's just the most visible target.The MCC was an endeavor carried out by hundreds of people from multiple companies. Trying to attack a single guy with laser-focus - whose job it is to serve as a mouthpiece for a first-party company within one of the largest companies on Earth, mind you - isn't going to accomplish anything. It's no better than all of that shit that gets pulled with Anita Sarkeesian or Zoe Quinn.
They absolutely aren't, and there's no defending them. Sadly, they happen a lot across a variety of industries because there's a lot of really maladjusted people out there with the perception of anonymity on the internet.death threats (and yes I saw those on Twitter and other Forums) shouldn't be an acceptable way to communicate your disappointment.
Are they really, though? Saying you're sorry and feeling bad is one thing, but it kind of rings hollow when you don't have any refund or recall program and instead are sitting on top of hundreds of millions of dollars from severely disappointed fans with no recourse. Mix in the poor communication, constant attempts to redirect focus onto Halo 5 and generate further profits, an abysmal job patching the game (it's been nearly eight months now), and so on, and it's hard to see any sort of sincerity in the apologies.I truly believe 343i is very sorry how the MCC turned out
I absolutely don't think he's responsible for the problems entirely. However, he is an executive producer, hype man, and public face of the game before the launch making promises like "fastest and fairest matchmaking system." So when he disappears entirely merely days after the game comes out and is revealed to be a mess, it's unacceptable.If you think 1 man is responsible for all the issues the MCC had, then you might be delusional, but that's just my opinion on that matter. Just ask yourself, what you would do in his situation.
He doesn't deserve to be blamed or targeted for MCC being the disaster it was, no. Personally, my issue with him isn't that the game is broken. It's that he disappeared immediately after launch when it became apparent that the game was broken. That's behavior that's worthy of drawing criticism.The MCC was an endeavor carried out by hundreds of people from multiple companies. Trying to attack a single guy with laser-focus - whose job it is to serve as a mouthpiece for a first-party company within one of the largest companies on Earth, mind you - isn't going to accomplish anything. It's no better than all of that shit that gets pulled with Anita Sarkeesian or Zoe Quinn.
Pretty much this. It's seriously unlikely that any one person can fairly be made to carry the blame for the whole thing, and if there was, it's unlikely to be Dan. He's just the most visible target.
It's funny how every single Halo game can be improved significantly with a coupple of settings, yet Bungie and 343i were/are repeating the same mistakes for 11 years(?) now.
Halo 3 just feels like mud compared to any other halo. I think people don't put in the time to get used to it anymore.
I don't mean this as an insult, I really don't, but you are being incredibly narrow sighted in your view about what makes a good halo game for all that buy and enjoy halo games. You will likely never get the perfect halo game, and neither will I. Not because the developers don't listen, not because the developers don't get halo, but because very few of us can agree on what is best for the franchise.
I'm sure this is an obvious point, but let's try to keep it in mind folks.
Though I'm sure we all can agree ADS is one of the worst things to happen
Halo 3 could have been Reach or Halo 4 and it would have been just as popular at the time.Agreed. When you're playing it in combination with all the other games it feels like trash, but if you take the time to get used to it it feels fine.
There's a reason we played Halo 3 for so many years: it's a good fucking game.
zzzI wasn't a believer in ads until I started playing Destiny... Was converted over time and now I can't ever go back to hip firing. Feels so awkward.
Yeah you could probably poll just HaloGAF and you'd get a variety of things we would differ on. Some hate sprint, some like it. Some like AR/pistol starts, others adamantly love BR starts. Plus, we have the CE fans who don't like 2, 3, Reach, the Halo 2 fans who hare Halo 3, the Halo 3 fans who like it the best etc.
Though I'm sure we all can agree ADS is one of the worst things to happen
What good are map/gametype combos if I'm stuck with an SMG/AR on some big ass map? It took years before BR starts were across all playlists and modes in the games released prior to Reach.
I'm not a MLG fan, never watched the shit, but their settings were undeniably great.
No where in my post did I say MLG was the only way to play, so your point is lost on me. Bungie's track record at objective settings was pretty poor though.
lol ozzy
For every halfway decent gametype 343/Bungie manage to poop out we get a dozen 4v4 KotH on Valhalla's, 10 second flag recover timer on Midship's, or 5v5 Neutral Bomb with 5 second arm timer on Sanctuary's.
I don't mean this as an insult, I really don't, but you are being incredibly narrow sighted in your view about what makes a good halo game for all that buy and enjoy halo games. You will likely never get the perfect halo game, and neither will I. Not because the developers don't listen, not because the developers don't get halo, but because very few of us can agree on what is best for the franchise.
I'm sure this is an obvious point, but let's try to keep it in mind folks.
I don't know, I've never even really cared about blaming singular individuals for these kinds of things as opposed to the company altogether, but I'm pretty sure the executive producer in charge of the game, and the one tasked with being the public face of both marketing the game, and promoting it can be blamed. I mean if Episode VII is junk, you're going to blame either JJ Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy or Lawrence Kasdan, you're not going to say, well Industrial Light and Magic did the CGI etc.
At the end of the day, this was a 343 project, with Dan Ayoub as executive producer on the project leading the helm, they are the ones who contracted out to these companies, and the ones who are supposed to take what the companies did and put it onto a disc and make sure it works.
Apologies if I didn't read your post in full context.
I wasn't a believer in ads until I started playing Destiny... Was converted over time and now I can't ever go back to hip firing. Feels so awkward.
On the upside, no Forge map has to support splitscreen anymore
On the upside, no Forge map has to support splitscreen anymore
Well we are supposed to be getting that post mortem from Frank, but how can we trust a man who can't even grow his own hair?Wish 343 would be more clear on what exactly went wrong and why.
You mean you can use glass now?On the upside, no Forge map has to support splitscreen anymore
Well we are supposed to be getting that post mortem from Frank, but how can we trust a man who can't even grow his own hair?
Yeah, and if I recall correctly that set some harsh limits on Forge
I wasn't a believer in ads until I started playing Destiny... Was converted over time and now I can't ever go back to hip firing. Feels so awkward.
in Reach if a playlist wanted Forge maps the rule is it had to be dropped from 4 split to 2 split. The community was so small for 4-split compatible maps that I can't remember if any nondevForge made it into a 4-split playlist.
They also favored dev and 4-split maps in the voting to win in a tie by putting them first on the list
4 slightly changed it up with a similar rule, but they put the more split screen friendly maps at the top of the voting list and the more intense ones lower. So the community was basically "choose your own framerate"
This is also why some playlists in Reach and 4 never got nondevForge maps, because they had high 4-split populations.
I wasn't a believer in ads until I started playing Destiny... Was converted over time and now I can't ever go back to hip firing. Feels so awkward.
I wasn't a believer in ads until I started playing Destiny... Was converted over time and now I can't ever go back to hip firing. Feels so awkward.
On the upside, no Forge map has to support splitscreen anymore
Yet Asylum drops frames even in fullscreen.in Reach if a playlist wanted Forge maps the rule is it had to be dropped from 4 split to 2 split. The community was so small for 4-split compatible maps that I can't remember if any nondevForge made it into a 4-split playlist.
They also favored dev and 4-split maps in the voting to win in a tie by putting them first on the list
4 slightly changed it up with a similar rule, but they put the more split screen friendly maps at the top of the voting list and the more intense ones lower. So the community was basically "choose your own framerate"
This is also why some playlists in Reach and 4 never got nondevForge maps, because they had high 4-split populations.
If 60fps is important and integral now, how can they make sure someone's map won't have sections that literally drop it to 30 or whatnot? Obviously they have that meter, but how could someone gauge whether their map is giving them a consistent and locked 60 frames, if that's what they're going for.
Yet Asylum drops frames even in fullscreen.
They should've replaced it with Refuge.
I'm guessing that it trying to replace a dev-created map didn't do it any favors either.Refuge was submitted and pushed. Sometimes the luck of the draw doesn't go your way : p
I think people are disappointed that the engine can't handle split screen and 60 FPS or that other sacrifices weren't made to make it possible. Other 60 FPS games have managed to include splitscreen modes (e.g. CoD), so it's not as if there's some magical limitation that says 60 FPS games can't have a split screen mode. People are just bummed that the game can't handle it and the decision was to put the resources elsewhere rather than focusing on changing/improving/whatevering things to make it possible.If Spilt-Screen is hurts the games performance, then what can 343 do. We know Halo 5 was going to be 60fps before we even know the name of the game.
I think people are disappointed that the engine can't handle split screen and 60 FPS or that other sacrifices weren't made to make it possible. Other 60 FPS games have managed to include splitscreen modes (e.g. CoD), so it's not as if there's some magical limitation that says 60 FPS games can't have a split screen mode. People are just bummed that the game can't handle it and the decision was to put the resources elsewhere rather than focusing on changing/improving/whatevering things to make it possible.
gzus.
pls stay away from Halo
wesley plz
Had to chime in here too
GTFO
Not sure if sarcastic or not? Lol.
Either way... ADS is fantastic. From a FPS perspective, it just makes sense to have in a game released in 2015.
You never got it?Hey gang, been gone a minute.
Haven't really kept up but I went to download ODST before it went away last night but my code...isn't there. Can't find it.
Is that like a thing or did I delete it and not remember it or what?
Not sure if sarcastic or not? Lol.
Either way... ADS is fantastic. From a FPS perspective, it just makes sense to have in a game released in 2015.
Edit: ah. Not sarcastic haha.