VincentMatts
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Wow, i played a ton of Reach and i dont think i ever touched that mode.
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Wow, i played a ton of Reach and i dont think i ever touched that mode.
How'd you even flesh out versus?
Ragnarok Flames
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It was custom games only for like 99% of it's lifespan. I'm sure Bungie put out a playlist for it for like a weekend, but only that.
User 73706
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Wasn't Left 4 Dead's Versus mode basically the same thing?
The most I ever played of FF Versus was in the Reach Beta. That whole Generator Defense thing.
Sort of.
L4D Versus plays WAY more asymmetrically than Counter-Operative PD or Firefight Versus Reach.
On that note though, Splinter Cell (Pandora Tomorrow, Chaos Theory) has a really fun asymmetrical versus multiplayer mode that was spies versus mercenaries.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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A lot of potential with a fully realized Firefight Versus. For example, OverRun from Gears Judgment.
This is a good link to get an idea. Just switch a lot of these ideas with Halo, like using Grunts and other species of the Covenant. When this was announced for Gears I was so hyped; the mode was really fun but limited because Judgment was a smaller package. You could imagine how popular this kind of gametype would be in Halo.
Unfortunately, it had the netcode of campaign so there was button delay like in Generator Defense, another fun gametype.
You misread the tone of my posts breh, it's all in good luv. Seems I may have been the one to hit the nerve seeing as how you never type these semi-serious posts, even threw a "Man" in there lol
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jailbird20022
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Nothing will ever top spys vs mercs....
pre-60fps thats all I played on, after 60fps I had to kick it down to 6-7
Speaking of sensitivity, hope they bring back the 1-30 setting in Gears of War ultimate.
the extra 10 notches post patch was great, 30-30-15 for life.
So give each of the Covenant species different attributes and unlock more as you kill players/destory objectives until either the time runs out or the Covenant wins so basically overrun ala halo.
ElzarTheBam
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YourExWife
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Holy shit.
Son of a butt.
I didn't really play that either (although to be fair, I was usually in a group of three altogether).
I wonder if dedicated servers could actually be very beneficial for this. I really liked the Overrun mode in Gears Judgment.
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I need to be carried Biggy, I need your adamantium spine to take me to Mercury.
ElzarTheBam
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Due to the greater amount of upstream bandwidth available, probably. One really big issue with netcode in Halo's 3 and beyond is that there's simply too much stuff to smoothly handle with asynchronous netcode on peer-to-peer connections, hence the use of cleverly-tweaked* lockstep.
Because of the focus on coop PvE, Destiny had to just deal with it and figure out a way to make peer-to-peer work with low latency... which seems to have involved drastically cutting down on the density of physicsable objects, and having loot not be networked at all.
*Yay client-side aiming.
I've been rather surprised by how enjoyable Fable Legends is; I expected it would fall to shit as soon as you had a bad villain, but it seemed fairly enjoyable throughout and it took me a few runthroughs to really "get" that no, the mines weren't going to be in the same place, and the fodder wasn't just around that bend. Applying that to a humans vs. Covenant assault/defense type engagement, whether templated on Firefight or Invasion, would be pretty cool.
Poodlestrike
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Agreed. Adding a human element to typical PvE does wonders. They don't even have to be particularly good, just increasing the sheer unpredictability helps.
And Fable Legends is shaping up into something special. Finally got into the beta, this weekend was a TON of fun.
So happy it's going to be F2P so more people are likely to jump on.
Destiny uses dedicated servers for PvE for all the heavy lifting. Less physics objects was to counter potential cheese.
Loot is local to you is also for balance reasons, so that they can have perks or modifiers that change what drop for you and nobody else. And also keeps assholes from vacuuming up all of the ammo before you can get to it.
Was a bit of a mind bend when I first played Destiny though, I was always saving the heavy ammo drops for a teammate to come pick up.. lol
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Yeah that's true, especially in Halo 3. Had to test around 5-7 to feel more comfortable. I get this weird bug sometimes where it goes superrrr slow when turning left or right, still not sure if it's my controller or TMCC.
Can't wait for this game. That Gears itch needs some serious scratching lol
Yup, for example Suicide Grunts, Elites with Swords and Camo, Jackals w/ the Shield we've all been dying to see in a pvp environment (sorry HLS), and so on.
Could bring back Ordnance Drops and Armor Abilities just for this mode. This is the mode where they could crazy with loadouts, perks, killstreaks, etc.
Reduced aim assist significantly. Haven't played much CE since the update so can't say for sure anything else, just did a couple tests.
Crimson Kopite
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hahaha Biggy's never been to Mercury without Ram's help
In Halo 5's case, AR starts DO promote more map movement. They are viable now - a little too viable with smart scope, but that's for another discussion. If you have to get closer to your enemy to kill them, then yes, there will be more map movement than if it were BR starts. However, I'm more so arguing for magnum starts. How can you talk about an OP magnum messing up variety when you support BR starts? That doesn't make sense.
Anyway, the pistol will be viable at all ranges (and overall harder to use than the BR), and it will be noticeably more difficult to use at long range. Rifles will still have the advantage at longer ranges, but if a magnum-wielder is skilled enough, he can out-shoot those players. The player will be able to defend himself off-spawn, and with a higher-skilled weapon. BR starts will make the pistol completely useless, and depending on the map, it will promote static gameplay (peak shooting).
Obviously there are many factors that come into play when discussing map movement: like power weapons, powerups, map design, spawn locations, power positions, weapon locations, player skill, etc. The starting weapon is no different.
CloudyTuba
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New patch really messed up Halo 1 MP
Fans Give Proof of Bullet Magnetism Bug in Master Chief Collection
Yep it's all fucked up now. Stinkles pass it along.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd2uWu4o2bI
I dont understand how frequently they break, fix, and rebreak things with patches. Are they just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks?
Fans Give Proof of Bullet Magnetism Bug in Master Chief Collection
Yep it's all fucked up now. Stinkles pass it along.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd2uWu4o2bI
I dont understand how frequently they break, fix, and rebreak things with patches. Are they just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks?
ViewtifulJC
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Fata1moose
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Hope we don't have to wait a month for them to fix CE.
I don't think this is true.
In fact there were several cheeses in the Crota raid which exploited the P2P connection by making the host quit.
Scripting bug
I just played it for the first time since the update... holy sweet fuck it is awful. pistol is absolutely broken now and they better get this shit fixed fucking ASAP and not wait a goddamn month.
Scripting bug? How does that explain the lag that occurs when the host leaves a PvE game? Or the differences in hit detection when running sword in the Crota raid when not host?
I dunno. First I've ever heard of any part of Destiny being on dedicated servers and it certainly doesn't seem that way. //shrug
You're going to need to provide proof on the first paragraph because I've never heard of those before.
All anecdotal, I'm afraid. So I could very well be wrong. I've just never seen any official confirmation that dedicated servers are in play.
I've ran like... 80 Crota Raids and it's something I've noticed. If you didn't start the game as host there's a slight delay with picking up the sword and the hit registration when using it on Crota. If the host leaves in the middle of a firefight, enemies have a tendency to 'regain' health suddenly.
The game lets you be all the way down in the Vault of Glass entrance, another teammate up in the Terminus and another deep inside the Strike area of Venus at the same time. If you were peer hosted, a 360 wouldn't be able to properly network your movement if you were in a level it didn't even have loaded, and it certainly wouldn't be able to support the full 30~ AI in each of those separate instances. This is why Halo forcibly teleported people forward in co-op campaign, because the host box had to deload the earlier parts of the level to be able to load the new parts in. Destiny doesn't do this except in certain scripted edge cases where it forces everyone forward to prevent exploitin'.
The only way to even make being able to constantly change areas of the map with whatever current battle is going on with random pubbies needs dedicated servers to even work.
Now there's various stuff handed off to the session lead or only done locally, but most of the heavy lifting stuff is only possible with dedicated servers.
Halo 5's probably going the same way with Azure hosted campaign co-op
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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I also recall a "host quit" glitch that finished Crota off. It go patched, I'm not sure why that would occur if it was dedis.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Shame with CE. Halo 5's right around the corner though, and that's as close as we'll get to
without it being
If the Pistol is as strong as Josh says it is, I wonder what that means for a Keyes Magnum. Hopefully nothing since the SPNKR is returning, so surely they could still have the most iconic weapon in all of Halo ;]
Doesn't quite have the same ring as #butts though..
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If the Pistol is as strong as Josh says it is, I wonder what that means for a Keyes Magnum. Hopefully nothing since the SPNKR is returning, so surely they could still have the most iconic weapon in all of Halo ;]
Halo Legends: #ThePackagehey yo how's dis?
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Doesn't quite have the same ring as #butts though..
Slightly Live
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The server magic in Destiny is really next gen stuff.
Makes you wonder what a company like 343 could do if they really wanted to try something bold.
Makes you wonder what a company like 343 could do if they really wanted to try something bold.
Dunno. This makes sense but doesn't explain the oddities I've noticed.
Whatever the case, for the most part Destiny's solution works really well and if Halo 5's co-op is similar then I would be very happy.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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I have to agree the servers and in game connection quality in recent months has been top shelf. I hope H5 really brings Azure and no P2P fallback to a next gen experience too.
A lot of the stuff is scripting weirdness, where someone forgot to safety-check that the session 'owner' was moved to someone else, or the hit detection script doesn't fire off immediately or at all. One of the recent patches fixed up a bunch of their hit detection scripts and code since.
And with them going Azure instances even for customs in Halo 5, and they've outright said there is no p2p in halo 5's mp, might as well go full tilt and write the AI engine to use Azure so you don't have button latency and can do stuff like mid session joins
CloudyTuba
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That's what I always wanted. I was one of those grumps that started with CE and thought that Halo 2 messed up a lot of what I loved about Halo. (That isn't to say that I didnt enjoy H2 in its own way)
I do feel like H5 has a good chance but I need to check out how BTB and the vehicles feel first before I can go making wild claims like that.
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