Tha Robbertster
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How the hell are you a member already?
(I thought you had to be a member for 3 months and have 300 posts)
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How the hell are you a member already?
(I thought you had to be a member for 3 months and have 300 posts)Last time I saw a comment like this, the dude became a perma-jr.
Would be hilarious is Bish walked in just as he posted that and made him a junior again.
Why are you a perma-junior anyway?
I think the 3-month period starts the moment you sign on, not the moment you're approved.How the hell are you a member already?
squidhands
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I agree that the two maps have obvious similarities, but I would argue that Lockout is an exception to the rule. The overall design of Lockout is far more nuanced with it's options for mobility, and there's more than The Cage's one small walkway area that can be fought over for dominance.
The Cage (to me) plays like it apparently started off being: a rough draft of Lockout. Combine that with the game-changing differences that Armor Abilities bring, and it's far and away the most unpleasant map I've ever played in Halo.
I'd add to the mix the DMR's range. The Cage has some very long sight lines, but those are only a problem when you can get domed from all angles across the map. Being down low and getting shot by guys so small you can barely see them just adds to that map's pain. Lockout was more compact and it made the combat more intimate; the tower to tower fighting is a fraction of the distance combat spans on The Cage.
ElzarTheBam
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Gabotron ES
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Thinking I might have to play Shotty Snipers or Rocket CTF before getting to play the gametype mskes me sad
Thinking I might have to play Shotty Snipers or Rocket CTF before getting to play the gametype mskes me sad
It will apparently be uploaded to the Waypoint fileshare after the update goes live. Fingers crossed. May be able to avoid not-actionsack gametypes just yet!
Gabotron ES
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Nice!
Steelyuhas
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Yeah, the only issue I had with Halo 3 grenades is that they never disappeared from the map. You could often stand in one spot and endlessly throw grenades.
Lets also not discount Halo 2's movement for being able to move around Lockout in ways that just don't happen in any Reach maps to be honest.
But Cage is terrible, the whole bottom section is so poorly designed. Yes, it has similarities to Lockout, but its basically if you took a Lockout style map, and did almost everything wrong, Cage is what you get.
Uncage is certainly an improvement, but you can only polish a turd so much.
Looking forward to trying Hotshot today, seems like a cool gametype. Hopefully I don't have to play 50 games of Haloball to get it.
343, PLEASE change BTB back so Slayer doesn't always show up in the first slot. It turns the playlist into Slayer on Spire all the time.
Thanks
lybertyboy
Thinks the Evil Empire is just misunderstood.
I'll give you all a heads up when the gametype is in place.
I can tell you why Caged/Uncaged is still in MM. The answer is simple. People like it (or at least vote for it). *
Back when my friends and I played several times a week, it was one of their favorites to vote for. I'm not sure why really. They were jet packers and could usually do decent at that map compared to others. They even acknowledged it being bad but still liked it.
I played solo a lot too and that map just gets voted for so much.
So despite it being poorly designed and ugly people still vote for it. I don't know if that's because its exploitable, people don't know any better, or simple because its the only map like that and its nice for variety? Dunno, but its popular and voting data must show that.
What gets me is that it was an early stage version of Lockout, meaning it wasn't good enough to be Lockout and evolved to a better state. Why the fuck would you then use those plans knowing its flawed state and build it? Its like taking a rough draft for a paper that was peer reviewed and had plenty of issues and you knew it wasn't good enough but then decided to turn it in as your senior paper/thesis or whatever down the road. It just doesn't make any sense. I love Carney but this move I'll never understand really.
*Disclaimer: My play time slowed down last fall, and I haven't played since November so I don't know if its still true and if it still gets voted for.
Back when my friends and I played several times a week, it was one of their favorites to vote for. I'm not sure why really. They were jet packers and could usually do decent at that map compared to others. They even acknowledged it being bad but still liked it.
I played solo a lot too and that map just gets voted for so much.
So despite it being poorly designed and ugly people still vote for it. I don't know if that's because its exploitable, people don't know any better, or simple because its the only map like that and its nice for variety? Dunno, but its popular and voting data must show that.
What gets me is that it was an early stage version of Lockout, meaning it wasn't good enough to be Lockout and evolved to a better state. Why the fuck would you then use those plans knowing its flawed state and build it? Its like taking a rough draft for a paper that was peer reviewed and had plenty of issues and you knew it wasn't good enough but then decided to turn it in as your senior paper/thesis or whatever down the road. It just doesn't make any sense. I love Carney but this move I'll never understand really.
*Disclaimer: My play time slowed down last fall, and I haven't played since November so I don't know if its still true and if it still gets voted for.
The Henery
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Lockout is the most overrated map in Halo history.
I like Uncaged by itself, but Lockout is simply much better. Both maps have long lines of sight but unlike Caged/Uncaged:
*The map tells you where to go. The two towers dominate, so people gravitate towards them. I don't know where I should end up in the Forge World--the center is sunk down low in elevation and doesn't give you good sight lines to the back half.
*You are not penalized for height. Lockout's underlevels are simply more protected, and its easier to get to a level playing field, or drop down if you're being chased.
*Quicker to navigate. What I've been noticing on H3 maps trying to get Lightswitch is there's much more mobility in maps like Guardian and Lockout. I can get to point A -> B much faster than the roundabout ways of Uncaged.
I got annoyed as hell when people in my TV studio class back in high school only wanted to play Shotty-Snipers on Lockout. You can tire of it easily. But it just flows a lot more naturally than Uncaged. It's not my personal favorite for multi maps, but I'm probably a bit odd in that regard (Turf!)
I can get behind this. I never though it was that great. Sure its awesome and fun, but yeah I'd agree.
If by overrated you mean absolute MP Map perfection, then I agree. There is so little space on that map that goes unused, add in all of the shortcuts and you have one amazing map. It worked with so many game types too, I could go on all day talking about it!
Like seriously, if Lockout is overrated, what in the hell is your guys idea of a good map? Boardwalk?
Overrated =/= shitty
Saying something is overrated implies that it's not as good as everyone said it was. I find it very hard to call out in major flaws in the map, so I'm curious as to why it's overrated.
For me, that's not the case. My fun to how much it gets praised and talked about ratio is off. Great map, love it, but I never had as much fun on it as people crack it up to be. Maybe I just wasn't good at it, I dunno. I played Halo 2 alone and sucked at it so that could be a factor. Also, people talking about a subject and praising it so much usually kills it a bit for me and I never like it quite as much as I could have otherwise.
That's what overrated is for me, not the actual quality for the map.
Steelyuhas
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Nothing wrong with that, Turf is awesome.
Agreed lol.
How can people play Reach and even most of the maps in Halo 3 and call Lockout overrated?
squidhands
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People vote for Cage/Uncaged because you only need two people to lock down the single dominant area. It's also incredibly predictable when it comes to spawning, and there's not many safe places to do so. Combine that with the DMR's long range on an extremely open map, and it comes as no surprise to me when people vote for it. Popularity and quality can be mutually exclusive.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Lockout
Midship
Turf
Beaver Creek
Coagulation
Ivory Tower
Foundation
Sanctuary
Warlock
Relic
Tombstone
Headlong
Zanzibar
Halo 2 was God mode when it came to maps.
Midship
Turf
Beaver Creek
Coagulation
Ivory Tower
Foundation
Sanctuary
Warlock
Relic
Tombstone
Headlong
Zanzibar
Halo 2 was God mode when it came to maps.
And everything else
yeah I really dont think anyone could say it wasnt, all the DLC maps where A+ quality too (except for backwash)
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
HiredN00bs
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Lockout was one of those maps that was well-designed, fun, and played WAY too fucking much.
A27_StarWolf
Banned
I love your avatar lol, yeah got to go with what the people want sadly...
So many maps to like.
Bregmann Roche
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For those interested: bsangel just tweeted that the Hotshot gametype is in her fileshare.
Then she said "feel free to grab!" ...do with that what you will.
Then she said "feel free to grab!" ...do with that what you will.
... you're using my Reach lion and my Halo 3 flag background as an avatar. this is some sacriligeous shit right here.
I got it in Action Sack first try.. after people voted in Shotty Snipes for the first round and someone map failed.
The downside of the gametype is once a guy gets heat and has a sniper rifle, he can 1SK you in the body with it. It's like I'm being autoaimed to death. I'm going to suggest that 343 change the weapon set to No Sniping.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Thank you!
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Happy birthday mate
A27_StarWolf
Banned
happy birthday!
Team Hotshot details:
Vanilla base
Sorts under a new category called "Action Sack"
Has a blank for an author (but still the usual 9/13/10 creation date)
AR/Pistol start. Sprint/Camo/AL/Jetpack/Hologram.
Hotshot-specific options
Score Augmentation On/Off - Score augmentation means players get bonus points equal to the number of consecutive kills they've scored
MODIFIER_LIMIT - 1 or 3. How many kills the player can score before damage modification stops.
FIRST KILL, SECOND KILL, and THIRD KILL submenus bring up the player traits prefab menu, so you can customize the full range of player traits per heat level.
Vanilla base
Sorts under a new category called "Action Sack"
Has a blank for an author (but still the usual 9/13/10 creation date)
AR/Pistol start. Sprint/Camo/AL/Jetpack/Hologram.
Hotshot-specific options
Score Augmentation On/Off - Score augmentation means players get bonus points equal to the number of consecutive kills they've scored
MODIFIER_LIMIT - 1 or 3. How many kills the player can score before damage modification stops.
FIRST KILL, SECOND KILL, and THIRD KILL submenus bring up the player traits prefab menu, so you can customize the full range of player traits per heat level.
squidhands
Member
are you nearing 'old gamer' age yet (30 and above)?
Tha Robbertster
Member
Happy B-day Dani!
Slightly Live
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Nah, just the quarter century. I feel old. I'm constantly bitching about the "music" them kids listen to these days, pure tripe it is!
And thanks folks! <3
That is really cool. Thanks for the details.
Edit: Happy Birthday Daniboy!
Edit 2: Man I wish Halo had this kind of DLC schedule.. I know I'm pretty much alone on this (something about splitting user base) I just love new DLC maps...
squidhands
Member
You won't really start to feel old until you find your first white hair. ;-)
Ninja used it for 2 weeks and switched back, I'm guessing its comfort level and the sticks being too tight (which fixes the slow turn but may do something called "fast turn" now)
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
I won't tolerate a single white hair with my sexy red man hair. One white and I'm going all Frankie/Lex Luthor.
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