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Devolution
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I wouldn't liken it to the same bloom as we have in Reach, that's not doing anyone any favors.
I know dude. I know. Fudge.
Rickenslacker
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No. No no. NONONONO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MVYAMgdRLc
Tapping trigger is a constant spread, holding trigger is when it goes instantly spastic. Nothing like Reach's.
VivaciousJazzy
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Exactly!
You say this like it would have been a good thing...
HigherLevel
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Reach is a step back from the trilogy but it''s definitely not a bad game. I can't think of another 360 shooter outside of Gears 3 and Halo 3 I'd say is better.
Steelyuhas
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Why would you ever hold down the trigger of the pistol in CE?
And please don't pull the 'handgun is a sidearm' card. It's just a skin to the weapon. The functionality it was matters.
Most people didnt even know you could do that lol
Don't make us prove it to you again. The Sniper in 3 is much harder to use than the one in Reach.
Steelyuhas
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For me, the sniper in Halo 3 is by far the hardest one to use in the series.
It is
NEEDZ MOAR EMILIA
Steelyuhas
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Can we ban this guy again?
Here's a few "bugs" that added depth to their respective games
- bunnyhopping in Quake
- skiing in Tribes
- combos in Street Fighter 2
- wallrunning in Doom
- triple-chording in Descent
- the entirety of MVC2 and Brood War
Some of these things were even embraced by their developers. The key word there is "some" because you'd agree with me if I said that a bug simply cannot be part of a legitimate discussion (outside of discussing methods of cheating) on the objective depth (think decision trees, potential player ability, etc) of a game unless the developer endorses it and retroactively assimilates it into their design intent. I mean, I guess you could disagree with me and expose yourself as being inconsistent with your entire posting history instead of saying you do agree and further solidifying your status as a pedant who will go to the ends of the Earth to preserve some bizarre "developer's intent" ideal that you're obsessed with.
As the days without Halo 4 news increase, the retarded conversations and arguments rise in HaloGAF.
Well, you see guys, Bungie actually didn't have the technology at the time, at the beginning of the new millennium, to implement their bloom feature in a similar fashion to literally every other developer who has made a first person shooter. I swear it's there. Check the Developer's Intent Rulebook that came with the game.
Hopefully tomorrow will change that.
Lately, the more I go back and play Halo 3 the more I like Reach. The netcode in Halo 3 is beyond terrible after playing Reach all this time. I'm one of those people that adapted to bloom and AA's in Reach. I just want my teammates and the other team to have solid connections at this point.
Devolution
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One can adapt to things and still find them glaringly stupid. It's not like I suck fucking ass with the DMR.
Rickenslacker
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I will honestly say that if Halo did not have the pistol like it was, I would not have cared about its multiplayer.
The pistol was being shot as fast as possible and all the shots landed within the static crosshair. That's not like Reach's. Even the AR works like that in CE, spam trigger, shots are inside the crosshair. Hold trigger, shots then go outside the crosshair. The actual pacing isn't affecting it.
True that. And to think that it seemed that Halo 3's netcode was a huge improvement over 2's. Makes you wonder how much farther they can improve it in 4 and Destiny (depending on what Destiny is).
That and Halo 3's inability to keep you on the same damn team, even if you go in with the specific team size. Bobs and I kept trying Multi Team a while back and it actually put us on the same team like.. once.
It's been explained to you countless times that the implementation was very different and more pervasive in Reach; it's well established that bloom existed in the previous games. Just because it existed in limited form does not make it the same thing. Specifically, its application to precision weapons is very much new to the series (and enormously detrimental). This topic only goes around in circles because you can't seem to realize this.
K
kittens
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It's so hard to "learn" how to use the DMR. Check me out everybody, I'm an "expert" at something that has been implemented in a better fashion and in more difficult ways in a myriad of other shooters over the course of the last 10+ years *gets the jump on someone, fires at them optimally and kills them 5 seconds later*
ncsuDuncan
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Guys, I don't know why you hate Armor Lock so much. It has existed in every Halo game, it just worked differently and was called Overshield.
:lol
Devolution
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I <3 you.
Kibbles
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Shawty's like a melody in my head...
1.2: Patch out bleedthrough, make the pistol strip shields on the 4th shot. Reach becomes playable again.
Get rid of melee bleedthrough as well, since it makes the AR overpowered at close range. The only way you can keep melee bleedthrough is if the rest of the sandbox is retweaked. Since 343 is not going to do that, all bleedthrough goes away. Also delete banshees from every map as long as they're not going to patch that vehicle either. The only place it can stay is on Classic Headlong and Boneyard Invasion. Bleedthrough in all it's glory can remain in Anniversary Classic.
85% on the DMR only would have been much better. I have no idea why they linked the DMR changes to the NR, the NR depends on 100% to feel right and falls apart in ZB and 85%. The DMR change would have also been better if it didn't make the crouch zero bloom. It should have been 85% standing OR crouching. I would have even accepted Zero Bloom if they implemented a RoF lock for it.
1.2: Fix headshot bleedthrough. Keep melee bleedthrough. Fix the damn vehicles. Reach becomes fun for the first time in its life.
Fabulous, Flawless, Diva :3
VivaciousJazzy
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Sometimes I feel like this gif is on repeat.
Barrow Roll
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For real. Next time someone makes a HaloGAF cycle pic they should add arguing about the TU.
But I think bleedthrough should probably be axed except for the Anniversary gametypes. Reach had excellent damage feedback and even though I have way more fun playing TU games because of reduced bloom, I still get pretty annoyed when I get head shotted when I still have shields.
I also think that both AR burst+melee and sprint+double melee are pretty terrible too. So I'm going to reiterate the bestest solution:
-Take out bleedthrough.
-Make melee weaker. 2 to pop shields, 1 to kill unshielded.
So now we still have that clear cut damage feedback, no more AR rushing, no more melee rushing, health pack glitch gone and the pistol doesn't headshot through shields anymore. Perfect, ship it.
Regarding bloom, I prefer no bloom in my Halo games but 85% feels right for Reach's sandbox, except the Needle Rifle. In fact, it feels like it should have been 85% from the start, it just plays so much better. How does it break the sandbox exactly? The junk weapons like the Plasma Repeater are still junk, nerfing precision weapons isn't going to change that and shouldn't be the method of making these weapons more effective. The AR's effectiveness at mid-range is reduced and that's a good thing for a weapon that's full-auto, has a huge reticule, ridiculous bullet magnetism and is just an all around easy to use weapon. The Needle Rifle got a buff but it hasn't been proven powerful enough to change the meta even if it is a bit silly. If they can add bloom back to it without affecting the DMR and Pistol then whatever, that's fine with me.
TU should have changed the Pistol to a 12 shot mag and given it the DMR's reticule. Pistol reticule and 8 shot mag is so gross that even reduced bloom can't save it.
Millions of players who didn't play Halo CE, 2, 3 come piling back into the community because Bungie gives into their pleas from over 10+ years ago, finally making the game easy enough for them to understand visually.
Rehost .gif please.For me, the sniper in Halo 3 is by far the hardest one to use in the series.
It is
VivaciousJazzy
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The thread is on repeat because there's literally no news. We haven't had anything new to talk about besides the occasional MLG thing.
What movie and context is that? I wanna say J. Edgar, but I only saw glimpses of that at work.
Edit: Wow totally thought that was leo.
What movie and context is that? I wanna say J. Edgar, but I only saw glimpses of that at work.
Edit: Wow totally thought that was leo.
xxjuicesxx
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I fuckin love this place!
Michael Crichton couldn't write this shit.
Michael Crichton couldn't write this shit.
Devolution
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That would be Boardwalk Empire on HBO.
I agree with this, though I do like bleed through, but it's not messaged well in the UI. I wish that had been addressed when it was implemented; it's one of great frustrations of the TU game types. Melee could be bumped down a bit with it turned on.
I keep coming back to Halo 3, which I thought had the right balance. Arg.
It's the HaloGAF cycle for a reason.
Steelyuhas
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K
kittens
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Yes yes yes yes.
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