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Halo |OT12| Last One Out, Get the Lights
- Thread starter The Librarian
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FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
I think it only affects your Personal Ordnance and starting weapons, but yeah.. Called that crap before launch and it needs to go.
But now that you're around:
Thoughts?
Rand0m TAG
Member
at first it feels useless, but get to know it
xxjuicesxx
Member
Thats an opinion remember. People also find the game boring...
If only there was some kind of system that would allow for this. Custom modes that are free to access at any time.
NullPointer
Member
It feels useless until it saves your ass countless times. Its a good oh-shit button when your shields are popped and you're about to bite it - and it helps in other small ways, along the margins.
Rand0m TAG
Member
I guess, but I just find it shocking. after reach this game is amazing. too bad their is no true classic halo with proper weapon drops, power ups ...
Steelyuhas
Member
Yeah I assumed it was just for your starting weapons, which makes sense. More ammo on weapons you pick up as well is baffling.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
This thread.
The Librarian
Banned
What? People don't know this? In addition to all of that, I get 44 Needles + however much is in the cartridge in the Needler, eight rockets, and get A LOT of ammo for the Saw.
HiredN00bs
Member
I mean the netcode isn't that complicated. Neither is understanding that Mexico has a shitty network infrastructure.
We're like engineers over here.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Hahaha thats why it was one of my favorite mods early on. For rockets and Incineration cannon, its ultra useful.
Devolution
Member
ammo perk explains why I feel like my sniper has more rounds when I pick it up. What's the count usually?
No, what we are saying is heresy. It wouldn't work, for a start ??????? ?? ?????, ????????? ????? ???????? ??? ???. ???? ?? ??? ??? ?????, ?????? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ???; ????? ?? ????? ? ?? ???? "??????? ?? ???? ? ??????? ??????? ???? ?????", ?? ??? ???? ?????. And then there's the fact that a server browser would provide plenty of disadvantages such as ????, ????, ????, ????????????, ???????, and most importantly ???????????, which is crucial to the success of this series.
Overall I think 343i have made the right choice. All of the complaints that totally weren't solvable via this system are a testament to this.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Conor you got to get over the server browser thing.
Deputy Moonman
Member
I was kind of hoping it would increase your weapon clip size, and not necessarily boost your ammo, but both would have been amazing. I keep unlocking things and switching my load-outs around even though i never get to use them in Slayer Pro lol. Perhaps if 343 switches up infinity slayer so it's not quite so chaotic, I'll play it a little more often.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Bring back Halo 1's pistol!
Devolution
Member
Yeah when I pick them up: 12.
Rickenslacker
Banned
And its lower aim-assist. And invincible vehicles and rubbery Warthogs. And plasma stun. And centered crosshairs. Actually let's just go back in time and make sure CEA has actual CE with online play.
Steelyuhas
Member
Still my favorite automatic starting weapon and I stand by my firepower loadout with it as the secondary. The range of the weapon is quite short, but that works fine as a secondary with firepower because that's the reason I have it.
I guess I just assumed it was starting weapons, cause you know getting extra ammo for ordnance is absurd.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
For the record I agree with Heckfu on the ranks/competitive thing. I can enjoy the game without it, but I do like to see some kind of testament to my skill. Something I can work to improve. K/D ratio has become so prevalently whored because actual ranks went away. It's the next "best" thing.
VIVA Halo.
VIVA Halo.
Well 1-50's coming early next year so...
I still refuse to believe this. I do not believe their goal was to chase CoD. I do believe they would like those sales numbers and I believe it inspired Halo 4 just like all games inspire each other to some degree, but I absolutely do not believe that CoD was their end goal. I truly believe they wanted to try new things with Halo, make their own Halo, and I also believe they set out to solve a set of things they felt were problems.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Frankie hinted at new features...I'm pretty sure he meant dedi's.
BTB only feature!
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Also I don't believe they are just "chasing CoD money." They want a piece of it, sure, but they are also working to move Halo forward. What you see in Halo 4 is a bit of both. I really think you are crazy if you think the goal written on Frank's white board says "MAKE HALO COD, PISS OFF FANS."
They are making the game they want, along with borrowing some of the most popular mechanics in gaming right now.
They are making the game they want, along with borrowing some of the most popular mechanics in gaming right now.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
How about hopping over to the BLOPS2 thread and asking? We don't need more COD derailing in here.
343 started the COD derailing in the first place.
bolded statements totally contradict each other
That's fair enough, I understand that a lot of people are loving the game, just as someone who's a huge fan of 2 and 3, this does less for me than Reach. It feels less like Halo, even without bloom, and that's something I didn't really expect. It's all opinions, I'm just personally sad because I really did think at times that we might get a proper sequel, especially after three years of dropping the franchise in Reach's wake, but alas the changes seem even more further afield from what was once the core of Halo.
I've just realised that in the entire campaign I literally never had a watcher return one of my grenades. Not exaggerating. Engineers were a throwaway arm of the Covenant, but I found them infinitely more enjoyable to fight because they forced me to utilise different parts of the sandbox, such as the plasma weapons. Watchers just required a few blasts from whatever precision weapon I was currently holding, before I'd decide to focus on the knights.
Frank's a straight up guy, and there's no reason to expect that any of the other 343 employees are any less, just because they don't post on Neogaf. Maybe I insinuated as such in my immediate frustration, but I don't believe 343 were in some way cynical when they designed Halo 4.
I really do believe they massively misunderstood a range of responsibilities associated with creating a Halo game, though. I feel like somewhere in the process of making the game they got lost, and didn't/couldn't critically analyse what they were actually producing, and how it would meet core players expectations. I also see no sense of adventure, no sense of forging their own version of Halo, the game you say they wanted to make. I can't see how a designer would be truly enthralled about implementing the changes we see in Halo 4. None of them are actually original, or new, they're all a twist on an existing flavour, and one that's been extremely popular for half a decade.
I think at this point Id much rather the CE strafe. I literally HATE the nerfed side to side movement that puts a limiter on my ability to make others miss.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
That's the first time anyone has ever made that connection. Well done.
And still no excuse to try to deliberately shit this thread up. Just sayin.
COD COD COD COD COD COD
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Are trying hard to be a dick or just doing what comes naturally to you?
I'm sure you're making your sweethearts here happy with your antics though. You'll be given a pat on the back later.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Note my italics. I don't think Halo 4 is ONLY a game of stolen mechanics. It's part new Halo, part utilization of popular mechanics. Basically the game isn't 100% COD, it's 75% new Halo ideas, 25% borrowed mechanics and systems.
(Percentages are just for example)
Correction: they are making the game the people funding the studio want.
This game is blatantly ripping off Call of Duty and you just want us to ignore that fact?
Comparing the game this topic is about to another game isn't shitting up the thread.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I would agree that comes into it, but I would highly doubt MS wouldn't give the ultra-talented folks they hired from all over the world some say in the game.
The industry is built on games "ripping off" popular systems/mechanics from other games. Think CoD4 would have been as good without the matchmaking Bungie perfected? Would we even have the Xbox Live we have today?
Really?
It just so happened that all of the "problems" Halo had can be solved by making it more like COD?
I don't believe this either.
That's not what I said.
I believe they took a list of things they wanted to fix or change and went from there. How can we reduce lopsided games and quitters? Join in progress. How can we empower the player and add new elements to the game? Provide rewards via personal ordnance. How can we focus game types and map selection as well as make existing game types more interesting and attractive? Give each game type its own playlist and mix things up. How can we stop betrayals? Turn off friendly fire in certain modes. How can we allow players to start with what weapon they want? Loadouts. I believe they looked at things like this and sought out to change or fix them which resulted in CoD similarities, but I don't believe they just stole from that or set out to copy it. I also don't believe what they did is perfect, but this is a learning experience from them and I expected changes for both Halo 4 and future games.
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