Demoncarnotaur
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Halo |OT19| 793 Posts, And None Worth Reading
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If only.
According to Halopedia (citing one visual guide book or some such IIRC), Chief's Mark VI armor in Halo 4 is merely remodeled to be look like one variant of Mark IV.
Of course, nowhere is explained HOW or WHEN Cortana changed how the armor looks, aside from Stinkles half-assed "nanomachines" explanation (if UNSC has such powerful nanos, why aren't they used for more things?).
Of course, nowhere is explained HOW or WHEN Cortana changed how the armor looks, aside from Stinkles half-assed "nanomachines" explanation (if UNSC has such powerful nanos, why aren't they used for more things?).
gAg CruSh3r
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Maybe it took that 4 years to change a lot of things for his armor or maybe it's that space magic we never knew about?
Demoncarnotaur
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Literally Halo 4 had some awful story ques. The concepts were there, the execution wasn't.
"They aren't fitted like standard military."
They seem the same to me, minus the character redesigns..
"These Covenant seem more fanatical than normal!"
Really..? How the hell did you even get that? I mean, it shouldn't have been too hard having them be caught in some bizzaro prayer or whatever. Anything.
Etc.
But problem is, that the Halsey cutscene shows him wearing his new armor prior to Halo 3 event. Meaning Cortana didn't just change it on ship. I know it's splitting hairs, but come on, how hard would it be to have explained it better? Or maybe have given him the old Halo 3 style armor, and have it changed when he meets up with the Infinity and they give him this new MK VI upgraded variant.
It's one thing changing a Jackals skull shape, another to completely change armor that's been around for almost 8+ years, even if people like the new armor better.
The way it is explained, afterwards, with logic and reference material, is that the Halsey cutscene shows the great war, with some artistic license, ie the Spartans are wearing Mark IV.
And between Halo 3 and 4, Cortana, for some reason, remodels (with nanonmachines) the Chief's armor to look like that Mark IV armor.
The game doesn't explain it though. While i like Halo 4's story and narrative in general, it seriously lacks exposition.
nillapuddin
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This is how they show Spartan 4's in the comics
This is how we see them in the game
sigh...
atleast the S4's in the comic.. (like the S3's in Reach)
have their own armor configurations, colors and primary weapon, it gives them character
In Spartan Ops, the S4's all become monochromatic empty vessels
It is alot easier to differntiate, associate with or generally give a fuck about these people
then these
if we are stuck with these guys (which we are) atleast help us out a bit remembering them
This is how we see them in the game
sigh...
atleast the S4's in the comic.. (like the S3's in Reach)
have their own armor configurations, colors and primary weapon, it gives them character
In Spartan Ops, the S4's all become monochromatic empty vessels
It is alot easier to differntiate, associate with or generally give a fuck about these people
then these
if we are stuck with these guys (which we are) atleast help us out a bit remembering them
maneil99
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New armor looks stupid, people actually like it more? All the armor in Halo 4 looks dumb. Halo 3 had the best most iconic pieces, not some random helmets you'd expect a future solider in COD to wear with all the weird shit they added in 4
maneil99
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Idk, maybe its the nostalgia, that shit is iconic, this new stuff is dumb and generic and way over complex
nillapuddin
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Demoncarnotaur
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Do the Spartan IV's and Palmer still try way too hard to be cool in the comic? Seriously, I could not stand the characters in Spartan Ops.
Jellycrackers
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Am I the only one who prefers the Halo 4 look for Chief's armor? He just looks way more fierce and heavy in it.
Now that hate I can agree with. Spartan ops characters remind me too much of Starship Troopers or something like that.
Now that hate I can agree with. Spartan ops characters remind me too much of Starship Troopers or something like that.
Demoncarnotaur
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I would like it a lot more if it weren't for the shoulders+chest.
Yeah, it really just did not feel Halo at all, let alone feel right for Spartans. The dialogue just wasn't witty, even though it tried so hard to be.
'Tis good but not the best.
Odd thing about Halo 4 armor is that it looks inhuman (much more so than the previous armors). Perhaps this is because i'm used to the older armors... Regardless, this works in my mind great considering Halo 4 narrative.
Jellycrackers
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lol... the big shoulders/upper back are what I really like about it. To each his own I guess. If I were to get a statue/action figure of any kind nowadays, I'd definitely go with Halo 4's style.
That's a good point too. I never really thought about how well it jives with the whole man vs. machine theme.
Ragnarok Flames
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Problem is that the MKVI Mjolnir armor does NOT have nanomachines. and cortana said she changed the armor's firmware not the armor itself.
Frankie said she used nanomachines. And the game's no help at all, for it doesn't explain stuff like that.
Ragnarok Flames
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Frankie also said that Halo 4 felt like Halo, Where did she get the nano-machines? did the FUD have nano-machines on-board?
Frankie can say whatever he wants but what he says clashes with the pre-established Canon. because prior to Halo 4 there was no mention of Chiron-Class Frigates or other ships having a contingent of Nano-Machines.
Which leads back to my question:
"Of course, nowhere is explained HOW or WHEN Cortana changed how the armor looks, aside from Stinkles half-assed "nanomachines" explanation (if UNSC has such powerful nanos, why aren't they used for more things?)."
"When" should have been "why".
EDIT besides, isn't Frankie the franchise director or some such? IE the guy who directs canon?
Syphon Filter
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Poker Face
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Really haven't used XBC in a while, but it was really nice to hop on every once in a while and play a couple a games of Halo 2. Even if the settings were abysmal 95% of the time. Sad they have to shut it down :/
That would have been the sensical thing, yes. I've no problem with his new armor, aside from the fact that it got replaced for no canon reason that's defensible and retconned in flashbacks (hell he's wearing the H4 armor when he should be wearing Mk V)
What?
Syphon Filter
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I have an issue besides the one you mentioned. It does not look good or inspired at all. Very generic and makes him look weak. The previous master chief models are far better and more iconic/inspired/memorable.
aHebrewMenagerie
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When Halsey gives MC Cortana, that was technically during the Fall of Reach. So he should've been wearing MK 5.
Demoncarnotaur
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It would have been a really cool moment getting your new armor in the game if you sported the Halo 3 armor for the first couple of missions and get the upgrade. I'm really bummed they didn't go for this route.
As for the wrong armor in the flashbacks, I bet it was an oversight rather than a retcon.
Eh, did Halo 4 show Halsey giving the Chief Cortana? I don't remember that.
EDIT oh, i see.
*shrug* Always thought the cutscene included a lot of artistic license for ease of production. Still i get the issue people have with it.
aHebrewMenagerie
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I'm sure that's what they did. It ended up looking good, as long as you didn't pay enough attention to the anal details. But it's unfortunate that they chose to do that instead of using correct assets.
nillapuddin
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Unfortunately it was a decision they made so newbies wouldnt get confused that the Master Chief looks like this in the flashbacks
but looks like this in the game
Well I think we can all agree had Halo 4 been delayed a year it would have been an all-around better game, art assets or no...
nillapuddin
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Any game with an additional year of polish and brain-trusting could be improved to some degree, but it was never meant to be, Halo 4 had to come out Nov 6 2012
343 needed to grind their teeth on a game as a unit
MS needed them to get the experience to carry forward
We needed the Chief again, something to get us excited about the Universe going Forward
All the boxes are checked, but obviously not everyone came out the other side smiling
343 doesnt want to make a game the fanbase doesnt care for
MS doesnt want to see their biggest 1st party franchise decline
We dont want to see it continue in this direction
So we start back at step 1, new hardware, full team, fresh aspirations.
At the end of the day, this is a business, and they did what they had to do
Now we just have to wait a few months to see what they can do
FUBAR McDangles
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The Halo 2/3 Mark VI had a superior helmet stylistically, sure, but otherwise the Halo 4 Mark VI is superior in every way I think.
Playing through the older games I did not realize it but all of the soldiers and Chief really just looked like characters. The ODSTs were the only soldiers in the game that looked like real, functioning soldiers of the future.
Halo 4 might have made the marines look generic and boring, but gat dayum did it make Chief look more functional, more fluid, and more badass. Old Chief looked fine, sure, but in comparison I really prefer the new Chief armor in every way outside the helmet.
Playing through the older games I did not realize it but all of the soldiers and Chief really just looked like characters. The ODSTs were the only soldiers in the game that looked like real, functioning soldiers of the future.
Halo 4 might have made the marines look generic and boring, but gat dayum did it make Chief look more functional, more fluid, and more badass. Old Chief looked fine, sure, but in comparison I really prefer the new Chief armor in every way outside the helmet.
Nilla just get's it.
It's definitely true, too. MS wanted a reason for the 360 to have some life left in it and they thought the hardcore Halo fans would stick around to play it even after spending 600 bucks on a new case of Hardware. Unfortunately, Halo 4 proved that, without a stable team or a unified vision for the project, it wouldn't stay true to what the fans wanted.
Unfortunately it was a decision they made so newbies wouldnt get confused that the Master Chief looks like this in the flashbacks
but looks like this in the game
That's why I'm suggesting, they have let Chief keep his old armor for the first mission when Elites board the FuD, and when he crash lands on Requiem, it gets a bit damaged, Cortana tells him to take it easy, and when he meets up with Lasky, Palmer and the Infinity they give him a new suit of armor, explain that it's an upgrade blah blah. Keeps the canon secure, allows them to move on with their design no?
Anyways, what's done is done. At this point, I'm not as interested in the world and the details as I was before, I'm literally only waiting to hear MP details.
Eh. Battlefield 4 is the Halo 4 of the Battlefield series. Absolutely terrible. No idea how DICE fucked it up so badly after BF3. Game is essentially a twitch shooter (CoD) with some vehicles tacked on that aren't even fun to use anymore.
So frustrating.
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I hope Halo 5 is better than H4. I'm running out of games that aren't being catered towards the CoD crowd. Don't have much hope for Destiny at all, either.
So frustrating.
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I hope Halo 5 is better than H4. I'm running out of games that aren't being catered towards the CoD crowd. Don't have much hope for Destiny at all, either.
This was such a odd design choice if you where going to do flashbacks you would at least have them fit Canon instead of shiny new armour chief everywhere.
Mk IV and V best looking armor by far for me.
Barrow Roll
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Hey guys, you wanna know what the most likely reason for seeing the Halo 4 armor in the flashback cutscene is?
They already had a brand new high poly Master Chief model, and modelling the Mark IV and V for one cutscene is probably more work than it's worth. Doubt it has anything to do with retcons, especially when you consider FUD has a different Mark IV design.
They already had a brand new high poly Master Chief model, and modelling the Mark IV and V for one cutscene is probably more work than it's worth. Doubt it has anything to do with retcons, especially when you consider FUD has a different Mark IV design.
Port Heyro 3 model to Heyro 4
Caayn
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I'm willing to accept that they didn't had the time to create a different model for each cutscene. But the least they could've done is not use shields in that cutscene.
Hypertrooper
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Oh my gosh! Stop being logical! We want to rage the shit about this game. Sigh. Dude.
Except its not really. Its a better version of BF3 to me with a MUCH better squad bonus system. Only thing that is "terrible" about it is the crashes....which happens way too often sadly
The problem is the kill times... They're way too fast. Now I know that people like playing Call of Duty with vehicles, but I hate twitch shooters. IMO, BF3 got it right with kill times and I feel that they've severely missed the mark in BF4 - to the point where the game is almost completely unplayable for me.Except its not really. Its a better version of BF3 to me with a MUCH better squad bonus system. Only thing that is "terrible" about it is the crashes....which happens way too often sadly
Too frustrating dying from 2-3 bullets. It's the same reason I avoid CoD. (IIRC, bullets in BF4 deal ~10 points more damage than those in BF3)
You die from 2-3 bullets? The kill times are MUCH longer than Cod.
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