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Halo |OT19| 793 Posts, And None Worth Reading
- Thread starter Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Poker Face
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what time does it start in the video? this is so cringy
aHebrewMenagerie
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"Riskier"
Hmmm.... I wish he would've elaborated more on the subject. I wonder if he wanted to go full modern-shooter. ADS, full xp unlock system, the works.
Like the last 3 minutes.
Yuck. If he doesn't go into specifics I won't bother. I had generic terms like that, it's the equivalent of saying you're going to make something "edgy". It means less than nothing if you don't give concrete examples.
Welp, he didn't say much.
"The wrong game for a new team".
Hmm, I don't know, it doesn't seem like it to me.
"The wrong game for a new team".
Hmm, I don't know, it doesn't seem like it to me.
Ragnarok Flames
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Already like Halfway there.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Fixed that for you
B-But you didn't post a Stormtrooper gif.. :[
Yeah I thought about that, but they should just make the adjustments to the maps and/or give us better customization options to adjust some of those things (movement speed, joystick/aiming settings, etc.).
Also, any of those Anniversary maps were better than any other map in Reach and that game had pretty poor movement options. I'd rather have a solid map with subpar settings than an iffy map with subpar settings.
The sad truth.. ;'[
It's like CE and Halo 2 gave us the best maps (not because they were the first games but because they were actually great maps), and then the quality drastically dropped thereafter. The base settings certainly didn't help either.
aHebrewMenagerie
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Exactly, I was thinking of the things that Modern shooters had, and I could really only think of ADS at the time. It has most everything else.
Ragnarok Flames
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FUNKNOWN iXi
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And to add, with remakes it should theoretically be easier to include more maps into the game since they already exist and we have the knowledge as to what could be improved. More maps = more remakes = sure FUN.
Then let them release a few SOLID new maps instead, concentrating on making them be the best they can be instead of spreading their attention on several new maps. I don't think it's too controversial and could go a long way with fans, especially playing on that nostalgia.
Fixed for what you really meant.
Then let them release a few SOLID new maps instead, concentrating on making them be the best they can be instead of spreading their attention on several new maps. I don't think it's too controversial and could go a long way with fans, especially playing on that nostalgia.
Fixed for what you really meant.
Stormtrooper gifs require a special event but oh well.
Couldn't find the Eva Vica Kerkes gif i wanted with the pool cue
New maps that work supported by sandbox optimized remakes is a good idea for multiplayer, as seen by Ragnarok where it wasn't designed in a sandbox with long range weapons from spawn. A focus on mid range combat in their original games means that it wasn't suitable choice for the game they where remade in.
I'd like remakes of maps like Backwash, Waterworks, Relic, Rats nest, Ice fields and Sidewinder in the next halo game that has mid range combat focused sandbox. Long range spawn weapons do not encourage map movement if you can kill someone across the map from your base looking at you Reach and 4 BTB maps why bother leaving them.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Not really, none of the mechanics are there. No radar = just run as much as you like, especially if you have a team willing to draw fire to another part of the map. You can literally run walk past a guy who is firing or watching your other team members etc.
In a no radar game on default maps like Valhalla or Zanzibar or burial mounds it is far too easy to arm a bomb or grab a flag. The smaller symmetrical and sight lines of hardcore/MLG maps like The Pit or Lockout are designed for no radar really. The medium or large maps of default are far better with radar, especially for objective games.
I understand the hardcore gametypes/maps no radar is your preference but the default game shouldn't be like that IMO and the history of Halo games population attests to that, easily. Even at it's absolute peak MLG never exceeded the default game population, just for slayer alone let alone including the other playlists. I doubt it ever would for the simple fact of pro/regular teams who know callouts and practice vs. friends playing together or randoms matched up creates lopsided games more often. I think that is a major defining difference between no radar and radar on or default vs hardcore.
I disagree, players flee when they're disadvantaged in any engagement, regardless of radar or no radar. In fact having radar allows a chase to ensue as well as feinting, baiting, lack of known facing direction etc. Again in terms of hardcore maps/gametypes it makes sense to have no radar and rely on communication but the default game of less coordinated teams with radar becomes far more interesting to play IMO. Even at level 50 team objective in Halo 3 I always found radar on never to be a crutch and more of an enabler. For me personally radar on is my Halo. I completely agree there is the hardcore side that no radar is their Halo. Again variety of playlist settings is required.
I would play Halo multiplayer far less, like 20% of what I do play, if no radar was the default game.
Similar to my point about of hardcore regular team with callouts etc it becomes a very one sided game, when you mix spawn trapping/killing into that the masses don't want to play that. It's not fun at an individual level and there is little room for an individual to progress their skill to combat these mechanics. Their only option is to find a regular team and practice, that's great and all, plus I agree it's quite competitive and skilled, but it's not what I want to play when I play Halo. I've never wanted to play that game when I play Halo nor do I want to have to practice "drills" to have competitive games. This from a default player of top level Halo 3 and 10,000's of games. Our two demographics are the in the top 4 main demographics of Halo and each has to be catered for.
No you don't get the same info from no radar, you're never aware of verticality, you're never able to use radar baiting or feinting or faking a death (if enemy doesn't watch the kill text feed) etc. There are a large number of individual mechanics that come from radar on where radar off there are a large number of team mechanics that come from that. This seems to be another defining difference.
Motion tracking is used for far more than simply fleeing a fight. I use it to stealth near a base undetected then assess the number of enemies and positions over a brief time before I move in. I also use it to fake deaths or take a different movement route based on the radar info. All while remaining in stealth crouch at close proximity.
Not a fan as it looses the movement vs. stealth mechanic which I feel is a very important element of the default game in objective (especially CTF/assault) and BTB objective. As for slayer it's still quite fun but far less relevant IMO and I see why slayer has so much love for no radar.
EDIT: a little more on this for me radar on and having shields helps separate Halo as a standalone game that I can turn the tables with skill or awareness or reflex. Games like COD are very twitch based and I suppose I find the no radar hardcore games more "twitchy" as such. Not to mention online play favours the host etc in such settings. In slayer the radar doesn't seem so important but I suppose being very objective focused I'm adamant about radar being on.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Double post for separate topic:
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gAg CruSh3r
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Yes, yessssss! Finally someone gets how BTB is suppose to be! I want to see a big forest like BTB map that involves warthogs and close/ midrange battles. All of Halo 4 BTB maps were all long range battles :/.. I hate HATE long rang battles .
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Man.. I think we need to live together for a good month and play Halo nonstop. I'm all for opinions, but a lot of this just isn't true in your description of it. You crawling around looking at the radar is not good for anyone and just creates a snoozefest when you can have the same effect otherwise, and become a better player as you progress.
No motion tracker =/= hardcore by the way. There can be a compromise here, and that would be sound-based radar. Halo is an already slow FPS compared to many others, there's no reason to gimp movement even further.
CoD has sound-based radar and that game is definitely not more "hardcore" than Halo.
Stormtrooper gifs require a special event but oh well.
Couldn't find the Eva Vica Kerkes gif i wanted with the pool cue
New maps that work supported by sandbox optimized remakes is a good idea for multiplayer, as seen by Ragnarok where it wasn't designed in a sandbox with long range weapons from spawn. A focus on mid range combat in their original games means that it wasn't suitable choice for the game they where remade in.
I'd like remakes of maps like Backwash, Waterworks, Relic, Rats nest, Ice fields and Sidewinder in the next halo game that has mid range combat focused sandbox. Long range spawn weapons do not encourage map movement if you can kill someone across the map from your base looking at you Reach and 4 BTB maps why bother leaving them.
AR/Pistol starts will help to fix this. What was frustrating in Halo 2 and Halo 3 is seeing someone casually strolling to your base, you shooting them with One. Thousand. BR bullets
Because Bungie thought adding randomness and inconsistencies to a utility weapon in a SHOOTER was a good idea..
well that went about as expected
https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postsm2810974_Hire-Juices.aspx#post2810974
nice to see pentinant tangent with the first reply on waypoint
Syphon Filter
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lol,when is he back on gaf?
ViewtifulJC
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hey remember that gif of Halo 4 with the BR and the strafing and it was like "aw yeah Halo is back my nigg-uh I mean african americans you know Im not racist guyz"
good times
good times
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Classic account name, DefendTheCasual. Something tells me when he plays with randoms it's more LambsToTheSlaughter with him cleaning up kills from the back row...maybe it's me
If you fire up Halo 4 now and play Haven slayer legendary BR vote variant isn't that damn close to the GIF? I know launch wasn't that classic clean cut setting but I think it's there now.
If you fire up Halo 4 now and play Haven slayer legendary BR vote variant isn't that damn close to the GIF? I know launch wasn't that classic clean cut setting but I think it's there now.
Syphon Filter
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I didn't fall for that ,i feel like i'm the only one lol.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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That gif made me cringe in all honesty. The BR is basically just sweep in the general direction and get 3 chances at a headshot..
Yeah yeah, people love the BR and that's ok. I'd never say to remove it from Halo though, just give me a 12 shot Pistol to spawn with, a 4sk BR that feels like Halo 2 on LAN with less aim assist (but more than the Pistol so you have a reason to pick it up) and tighter spread as an on-map pickup, and go from there.
Maybe even a 3sk BR because in reality, that'll translate to a 4-5sk. Again, this'll be balanced by the aim assist and being an on-map weapon.
ElzarTheBam
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That GIF was prime Denzel, but the end product turned out be Xand.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Deal, you look after my two young kids and I'll play the Funknown-side of Halo for a month
I don't crouch everywhere mate, I selectively use it. I'd be crouched less than 10% of any given game. If I'm carrying a bomb then I'd be crouching near the bases quite a bit. The friends I play with basically give me the bomb and work with or draw away from me. More often I go alone on foot and I'd guess I arm the bomb 1-2 out of 3 times I carry it. It's been the same since Halo 2, 3 or Reach. I love carrying the bomb with radar on.
Used hardcore just as label to differentiate from default, that's all. Halo 4 post turbo is a great speed and pace of play. Infinity ramped it up too quick in terms of game time IMO but the later vote variants now with turbo and base movement are sweet. I agree some lessening of the aim assist and a bit more strafe acceleration would make it about perfect.
I wonder how dedis are going to affect the base gameplay, surely we're going to see less aim assist and more strafe dodging ability? Right?
^^^
I dislike long range battles as they:
A. Slow the game pace this is common with maps with long site lines and low cover such as ragnarok and hemorrhage. This creates area's of stagnation on maps due to lack of flow as people are trapped.
B. Removes at teams ability to counter entrapped bases this is seen in maps where height is key in BTB such as spire and the ridge on settler. Linking back to point A spawning with nowhere to go except die repeatedly because of sandbox choices doesn't fit whose best wins style halo has.
C. They are so dull for a game with a varied sandbox see points A and B, but we can all think of weapons like the neddle rifle and the battle rifle ignored because of long range weapons.
As for your map idea it sounds cool I've got an idea but no way to display it
Prinz Eugn
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For everyone's convenience, here's the survey as completed by the average Waypoint member:
NobleGundam
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Barrow Roll
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Nah, Juices would probably mop the floor with you in Halo.Classic account name, DefendTheCasual. Something tells me when he plays with randoms it's more LambsToTheSlaughter with him cleaning up kills from the back row...maybe it's me
And he changes his gamertag all the time because shits funny. TheBKCleansing, ForwardUntoDong, Lil Blain, all classics.
Gabotron ES
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User 73706
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Caayn
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That banhammer must have had a lot of momentum, that was fast.
How many people are still playing it and how many are playing legendary? On top of that what are the odds of getting in a BR start match?
(Honest question, haven't played Halo 4 in months)
Worst gif of my life, I mislead so many. You may now cast me into the furnace.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Yeah Waypoint rules are quite clear for us to follow this stuff. I laughed at the thread personally but the bits like this force me as a mod into action:
Juices you're also gathering a Waypoint history so a temp ban is likely mate. Anyhow anything else mod related please PM, I won't post about it in the wild again.
I think you missed the joke tone in my post mate. Juices and many others probably would mop the floor with me in terms of slaying alone. Me from Halo 3 days when I was at my peak? I seriously doubt that, it would be a close match IMO. These days, yep agreed my BR is flakey at times and I use my other skills to out do enemies. However even still I'll happy toot my own horn at objective, I read plays, move around a map and carry out CTF/bomb at a top tier still. It's my "pride and joy" in playing Halo but I never consider myself the best in the world or anything.
Depends if you search as a random or with a team. When you have a full party you pretty much control the votes all the time. The skill matching is pretty skewed these days but there are still quality matches to be found. I've been playing Halo 4 1-3 times a week since getting my X1, then again I really like Halo 4 in its current state. I don't love it but I like it. As for population it peaks at 15K-18K per day and if you're like me from Australia or outside of USA times expect less than 5K total across all playlists with BTB being the most populated. I play CTF and match games fairly quickly with less than 200 in the playlist.
Juices you're also gathering a Waypoint history so a temp ban is likely mate. Anyhow anything else mod related please PM, I won't post about it in the wild again.
I think you missed the joke tone in my post mate. Juices and many others probably would mop the floor with me in terms of slaying alone. Me from Halo 3 days when I was at my peak? I seriously doubt that, it would be a close match IMO. These days, yep agreed my BR is flakey at times and I use my other skills to out do enemies. However even still I'll happy toot my own horn at objective, I read plays, move around a map and carry out CTF/bomb at a top tier still. It's my "pride and joy" in playing Halo but I never consider myself the best in the world or anything.
Depends if you search as a random or with a team. When you have a full party you pretty much control the votes all the time. The skill matching is pretty skewed these days but there are still quality matches to be found. I've been playing Halo 4 1-3 times a week since getting my X1, then again I really like Halo 4 in its current state. I don't love it but I like it. As for population it peaks at 15K-18K per day and if you're like me from Australia or outside of USA times expect less than 5K total across all playlists with BTB being the most populated. I play CTF and match games fairly quickly with less than 200 in the playlist.
Prinz Eugn
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Well HaloGAF has at least a couple Waypoint mods...
We haven't had too much trouble finding games in Team Slayer, though connections can be spotty since there aren't as many players to choose from. Team Slayer always has one choice with Infinity, Team Slayer (Infinity loadouts but no ordnance), and Legendary BRs. But they all can be the same map, or all different, or two of the same, so you can have to make the lovely choice between Infinity on Haven or Legendary BRs on Abandon.
A 3/4 sk battle rifle that everyone has along with a toned down anniversary pistol at spawn would be nice. Ar and pistol starts are alright as long as everyone has a mid range weapon from the get go, if you can't get a on map ranged weapon you can still defend yourself.
Incontinent weapons remove the equal nature of the playing field that reduces the skill gap of the game with unconscious elements.
Damn, I hadn't seen that beauty:
They should make a comic.
Yeah, I kind of want to see a Halo meets Iron Brigade game where everything is over-the-top '40s propaganda.
Caayn
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Thanks Ozzy Onya A2Z and Prinz Eugn. Kinda expected the connection issues do to the population combined with the matchmaking system. Might give it a try later this week, curious to see what has changed in the last couple of months. I'm a solo player, so I'll have to go in on good faith and be lucky enough that Legendary is selected.(knowing my luck chances aren't very high )
)Yeah 60FPS and Dedicated slurpers!
Couldn't find the Eva Vica Kerekes gif i wanted with the pool cue
all probably nsfw
probably the one you wanted: http://i.imgur.com/J0NVeL4.gif
although this one could be it, it's during the pool scene: http://i.imgur.com/9C0AMLf.gif
this is the best one(definitely not the one you're looking for), and the quality is shit because i could only find this one: http://i.imgur.com/jfp24tB.gif
Oh, ok.
So I guess he also made these:
They're all pretty cool.
The artist is TDSpiral of HBO and (I dunno where else.) You've seen his stuff before, at past Child's Plays or elsewhere.
http://tdspiral.deviantart.com
(He's also one of the guests for Community Evolved.)
Too funny:
Also I see a test bed of 360's and........an X1 for Halo Xbox One. Go on let a screenshot slip next time.
You know Microsoft isn't doing itself favors with their XB1 photography. It's a little larger in some dimensions than the original Xbox but overall feels more svelte in comparison; yet their advertising pics all make it look like a monolithic black box.
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